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  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Hate the sin but love the sinner. Or something like that. Not normally a sentiment I’ve associated with the DUP, though.
    Just checking for Ian Paisley Jr's comment.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited October 2018
    I'm quite sure that Lord Hain is telling the truth when he says that he didn't know. But what an A-grade idiot! And how sanctimonious, going on about how he'd exercised his precious right to privilege with the utmost care.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2018
    Alistair said:

    The American obsession with voting machines over paper ballots is genuinely perplexing to me.

    Along with the whole incredibly limited voting locations in, ahem, certain neighbourhoods resulting in multi hour long waits.
    As with everything in the US, it varies a lot by state. Here in the State of New York, there are plenty of local polling places and polling hours are 6am-9pm. so broadly similar to the UK. We vote by filling out a paper ballot by filling out ovals with a pencil along the lines of a multiple-choice test. The paper ballot is then read by a machine at the polling station. This is for practicality - this year, we'll be voting for Governor, US Senator, US Representative, State Senator, State Representative, judges, and in some places local Trustees (councillors).

    My understanding is that there's not a "count" in the British sense, rather that at the close of polling the totals are read off the machine and phoned through to the Board of Elections, with for legal certification, the poll staff write down the results and certify them and deliver that certificate and the paper ballots to the BoE afterwards.

    We don't have early voting in NYS, but we do have on-demand absentee ballots: to qualify you need to state you'll be out of your county / NYC on polling day or be otherwise unable to attend in person but this is self-certified.

    Other states may have shorter polling hours and fewer polling places but most offer early voting sometimes several weeks ahead of polling day. Some western states have switched to all-postal voting.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,654

    They raided somewhere opposite a block of flats not far from us, woke up the residents, one of whom took a video of what went on.
    No, AFAIK no-one’s been arrested.
    How much cash is there in a ‘full’ ATM?
    I can explain this I think.

    The Coop do not habitually build a strong-room type structure around their cash machines in the smaller locations, whereas eg Tesco Metro do and put teh machines in the external walls.

    Hence the Coop can more easily be attacked by JCB.

    (Note to constabulary: this is not advice to PBers on how to carry out a raid, as it is already published in umpteen newspapers.)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,371
    kjh said:

    We get loads of them in Surrey also. In several cases they damn near destroy the building. A local Nationwide never opened again.

    There was one in Derby the other day using explosives.

    https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/explosives-expert-spondon-post-office-2145268

    I can assure PBers that my presence in the county at the time was purely coincidental ...
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367
    Amazingly enough he seems to have been driving around in some sort of MAGA Trump van plastered with screenshots from 4chan. Hardly keeping a low profile!

    He's probably another Great Awakening QAnon devotee, like the Hoover Dam nutter.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,654

    Can Lord Hain be prosecuted for being a weapons-grade plonker? Probably not :-) .

    Or perhaps more interestingly for not having known about his potential conflict of interest, when it was demonstrably communicated to him on the front page of the document he was talking about.

    Suspect some impolite ribbing will ensue, now that the Lords is not what it was.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I'm not saying the alleged bombers van fits certain stereotypes but, well...

    https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1055843192497733632?s=19
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    MattW said:

    I can explain this I think.

    The Coop do not habitually build a strong-room type structure around their cash machines in the smaller locations, whereas eg Tesco Metro do and put teh machines in the external walls.

    Hence the Coop can more easily be attacked by JCB.

    (Note to constabulary: this is not advice to PBers on how to carry out a raid, as it is already published in umpteen newspapers.)
    I won’t mention it to my friend in the pub.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,371
    Are we really saying that Hain is so cretinously stupid as not to think: "Hmmmm, I get some money from that law firm. I wonder if there might be a conflict ..."

    Because that is really cretinously stupid.
  • Are we really saying that Hain is so cretinously stupid as not to think: "Hmmmm, I get some money from that law firm. I wonder if there might be a conflict ..."

    Because that is really cretinously stupid.

    Yep, that's his defence, and I for one believe it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,654

    I won’t mention it to my friend in the pub.
    If your friend is called Bob he will know already.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,371

    Yep, that's his defence, and I for one believe it.
    Ah, the '"I am a cretin" defence. It's always useful.

    I am not in any way legally minded: might this get him or the company in trouble legally, or with the HoL's authorities ?
  • Ah, the '"I am a cretin" defence. It's always useful.

    I am not in any way legally minded: might this get him or the company in trouble legally, or with the HoL's authorities ?

    IANAL, but I wouldn't have thought there was any direct legal danger to him or the law firm. It's not an offence to hire an idiot!

    As for the HoL, I imagine it will simply be a case of him making a statement in the Lords as soon as possible to clarify the position and apologise for not checking for a possible conflict of interest. I don't think it will go any further.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited October 2018
    MattW said:

    If your friend is called Bob he will know already.
    Not sure what his name is, TBH. Was just an idle conversation.
  • MattW said:

    I can explain this I think.

    The Coop do not habitually build a strong-room type structure around their cash machines in the smaller locations, whereas eg Tesco Metro do and put teh machines in the external walls.

    Hence the Coop can more easily be attacked by JCB.

    (Note to constabulary: this is not advice to PBers on how to carry out a raid, as it is already published in umpteen newspapers.)
    The standalone ATM in a shop that was involved in an explosion, that resulted in the whole three floor building pancaking down onto it was unrecognisable when we first found it in the cellar. We didn't know what it was, but the rozzers knew exactly what they were looking for. As far as I could tell, the cash box had succumbed to the resulting fire and not a lot was left.It would have been interesting to know how much had been in it!
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Alistair said:

    I'm not saying the alleged bombers van fits certain stereotypes but, well...

    https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1055843192497733632?s=19

    Exactly what you'd expect for a Hillary/Obama false flag operation to discredit the president.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited October 2018

    Not sure what his name is, TBH. Was just an idle conversation.
    More seriously, i googled the question and found an answer. See https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-is-usually-in-an-ATM-machine

    Appears to be up to about £120,000.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,532

    I won’t mention it to my friend in the pub.
    And who would believe it but just an hour or two after we were discussing it I have been contacted by Mr Ghazi Ahmed at ADB Bank who has $10.2m in an abandoned a/c to transfer and I can keep 40% of it.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Salisbury has been having quite a year of it for news:

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1055819221714710530
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733

    Yep, that's his defence, and I for one believe it.
    Well he has been working on the supporting evidence for it, for years....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,654

    More seriously, i googled the question and found an answer. See https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-is-usually-in-an-ATM-machine

    Appears to be up to about £120,000.
    That will just about pay for the JCB...
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    White male Cesar Syoc, 56, arrested in bombing device probe
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    MattW said:

    That will just about pay for the JCB...
    Do what? Pay for it? You borrow it.
  • Are we really saying that Hain is so cretinously stupid as not to think: "Hmmmm, I get some money from that law firm. I wonder if there might be a conflict ..."

    Because that is really cretinously stupid.

    I imagine it did not even cross his mind that the firm might be involved in this case. He has done some paid consultancy work as an adviser. Legally, I'd say the link is pretty tenuous. My guess is that this is a source of employment that Lord Hain will no longer find particularly profitable.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062
    The importance of early voting as an indicator of the likely result can be overhyped

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/early-voting-was-a-misleading-indicator/

    It should also be remembered you have to go back to 1914 to find the last time turnout in a US midterm election reached 50% or more
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062

    Taking the House may prove to be a decidedly mixed blessing. It will hand the Democrats a blocking opportunity, which they'll undoubtedly use, and which will then be an excuse for the GOP and Trump in failing to deliver on the Wall, repeal of Obamacare and pretty much any other positive achievement. The House Democrats could impeach Trump but it'd be with virtually no chance of success (and were there a chance of success, you'd have to assume that taking control hadn't been necessary to begin with).

    By contrast, Trump would retain all the powers of the Executive, including not only the ability to mess about in foreign policy and rip up treaties but to make appointments or recommendations - and with the Senate still in the hands of the Republicans, that could prove a hugely powerful legacy weapon, which the House Democrats can't do anything about.
    Obama lost the House in 2010 but held the Senate too much like Trump may be about to do
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062

    Norway as a transition would be much the same as the transition we'll (hopefully) be getting, except that the car industry would be hit in a very bad way and the Irish problem would be worse. In any case, why on earth do you assume it would be available? The chances of the EU and EEA states (and Switzerland) wanting to rewrite the EEA treaties as a temporary measure for our convenience is pretty much the square root of zero.
    Norway without a Customs Union is still unacceptable as a backstop for Barnier
  • Nigelb said:

    Well he has been working on the supporting evidence for it, for years....
    LOL!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    edited October 2018
    HYUFD said:

    The importance of early voting as an indicator of the likely result can be overhyped

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/early-voting-was-a-misleading-indicator/

    It should also be remembered you have to go back to 1914 to find the last time turnout in a US midterm election reached 50% or more

    And how far back do you have to go to find a president as polarising as Trump ?
    (Which is actually an interesting question.)

    And we’re talking abut the comparison between actual early voting in the presidential election and actual early voting now - which is a quite different point from the 538 article you cite.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062
    edited October 2018
    Nigelb said:

    And how far back do you have to go to find a president as polarising as Trump ?
    (Which is actually an interesting question.)

    Nixon, George W Bush, LBJ were perhaps at times even more polarising than Trump is now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062
    edited October 2018
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,532

    More seriously, i googled the question and found an answer. See https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-is-usually-in-an-ATM-machine

    Appears to be up to about £120,000.
    I think your defence that you really didn't know 'Bob' and that you just met in the pub will be shot when they find that on your internet search.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Obama lost the House in 2010 but held the Senate too much like Trump may be about to do
    The 2010 mid terms were one of the biggest incumbent losses in history, The Dems lost over 60 seats in the House and lost 6 in the Senate. It's looking increasingly like the Dems will take the house by a slim margin, and the GOP will pick up seats in the Senate. So it's not really a comparison to the carnage of 2010.

    What nobody seems to be talking about is state and local elections. The Republicans are in such a hugely dominant position, and the Democrats so enfeebled, that the only way is up for the Dems. The question is how much. The key is how many governorships the Dems can win, because come the 2020 election, governors have real influence in elections.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    HYUFD said:

    Nixon, George W Bush, LBJ were perhaps at times even more polarising than Trump is now
    Not within the first two years of their presidencies. Not even close.
    (Even Bush managed a degree of consensus prior to Iraq, despite Democrats believing he stole the election).

  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    edited October 2018
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062
    edited October 2018
    Tim_B said:

    The 2010 mid terms were one of the biggest incumbent losses in history, The Dems lost over 60 seats in the House and lost 6 in the Senate. It's looking increasingly like the Dems will take the house by a slim margin, and the GOP will pick up seats in the Senate. So it's not really a comparison to the carnage of 2010.

    What nobody seems to be talking about is state and local elections. The Republicans are in such a hugely dominant position, and the Democrats so enfeebled, that the only way is up for the Dems. The question is how much. The key is how many governorships the Dems can win, because come the 2020 election, governors have real influence in elections.
    So what? Obama got re elected in 2012 despite that GOP landslide in 2010 which just goes to show mid terms mean next to nothing in terms of the next presidential election. Indeed Carter lost in 1980 despite the Democrats holding the House and Senate in 1978.

    I agree that the real gains for Democrats will come in local assemblies and governors races as they rebuild their base
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Nigelb said:

    And how far back do you have to go to find a president as polarising as Trump ?
    (Which is actually an interesting question.)

    And we’re talking abut the comparison between actual early voting in the presidential election and actual early voting now - which is a quite different point from the 538 article you cite.

    I voted Monday, and reports that evening for my state (GA) were that at that point turnout was up between 150-400% depending on county from the last mid terms. That was early in the early voting process, and may not mean anything, but than again it could be a turnout indicator.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    edited October 2018

    Off topic and apologies if this has been posted already

    But *just in case* there are any PBers with an interest in things that run on rails and/or Sheffield:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tram-derails-on-first-day-of-new-£75m-service-after-colliding-with-lorry/ar-BBOUok5?ocid=spartanntp

    Edit: can't seem to post the link, but tram, Sheffield, derailed, you get the idea.

    Oh well, another delay in doing track in northern England...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    Tim_B said:

    The 2010 mid terms were one of the biggest incumbent losses in history, The Dems lost over 60 seats in the House and lost 6 in the Senate. It's looking increasingly like the Dems will take the house by a slim margin, and the GOP will pick up seats in the Senate. So it's not really a comparison to the carnage of 2010.

    What nobody seems to be talking about is state and local elections. The Republicans are in such a hugely dominant position, and the Democrats so enfeebled, that the only way is up for the Dems. The question is how much. The key is how many governorships the Dems can win, because come the 2020 election, governors have real influence in elections.
    A point I made at the beginning of the thread.
    Three fifths of the governors in charge of the 2020 redistrictung are up for election next month.
  • Tim_B said:

    White male Cesar Syoc, 56, arrested in bombing device probe

    Sayoc according to BBC
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Sayoc according to BBC
    Typo - my bad :-(
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    To what extent would a firm be at risk if an external advisor did something stupid on his or her own initiative, which may have benefited the firm but where the firm was completely unaware of any intention of the action being planned?

    I can see why it would be a problem if it was an employee. I can also see why an executive could have trouble with his or her board about judgement, appointments, contracts and PR by association, but in terms of actual wrongdoing? I don't see it.
    Hain did not name his source. An obvious source would be someone he knew in the firm. That's what would be scaring me if I was managing partner.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    Alistair said:

    I'm not saying the alleged bombers van fits certain stereotypes but, well...

    https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1055843192497733632?s=19

    Detail is a bit of a giveaway!

    https://twitter.com/T_Brian_Malone/status/1055853779734749184?s=19
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,654
    edited October 2018
    More on Lord Hain.

    The Secret Barrister has an interesting piece in the i-news, arguing that Hain has seriously cocked-up by intervening too soon - in that the Appeal Court had only made an Interim Judgement at a preliminary hearing.

    So essentially that he has denied all the participants their full chance for the arguments to be heard in full, and that the Appeal Court may actually have decided not to impose an injunction.

    And Hain has gone against the wishes of 2 of the parties.

    -------------------
    We don’t know what that full hearing would have decided. It may well have agreed with the High Court. It may have agreed with the Court of Appeal. But the courts have now been prevented from properly considering the matter by the actions of Lord Hain, who has taken it upon himself to usurp the functions of the independent judiciary in ongoing legal proceedings and impose his own, irreversible judgment on everybody involved

    Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/what-lord-peter-hain-didnt-consider-when-he-rushed-to-name-name-philip-green/
    -------------------
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,371

    Oh well, another delay in doing track in northern England...
    It's actually quite interesting (to me, at least). The train-tram project was the first (at least, first modern) such project in the UK, allowing trams to go off the tram network and run over the Network Rail network. This *should* be cheaper than building a dedicated tramline.

    However, the Rotherham train-tram is late and very over budget (three years later, and from £15m to £75m). Amongst other issues, the complexities of getting trams to run under conventional heavy-rail systems appear to have been greater than expected.

    http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Comment/tram-train-where-did-we-go-wrong

    It'll be interesting to see what the cause of this crash was.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    Foxy said:

    Detail is a bit of a giveaway!

    https://twitter.com/T_Brian_Malone/status/1055853779734749184?s=19
    What has been sown, shall be reaped.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    Be honest, which of the two do you think the Donster most resembles ... ?
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055822810940129283
  • It's actually quite interesting (to me, at least). The train-tram project was the first (at least, first modern) such project in the UK, allowing trams to go off the tram network and run over the Network Rail network. This *should* be cheaper than building a dedicated tramline.

    However, the Rotherham train-tram is late and very over budget (three years later, and from £15m to £75m). Amongst other issues, the complexities of getting trams to run under conventional heavy-rail systems appear to have been greater than expected.

    http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Comment/tram-train-where-did-we-go-wrong

    It'll be interesting to see what the cause of this crash was.
    Looks like it was on a street-running section, not on the "new" bit.
  • Foxy said:

    Detail is a bit of a giveaway!

    https://twitter.com/T_Brian_Malone/status/1055853779734749184?s=19
    Looks like Tim Robbins' van in Arlington Road :)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,371

    Looks like it was on a street-running section, not on the "new" bit.
    Ah, thanks.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263

    What has been sown, shall be reaped.
    https://twitter.com/PRGalForHire/status/1055858168369111040?s=19

    https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1055861762266939393?s=19

    Hmm, can I put you down as undecided?
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    It's not Brexit that's in trouble, it's how badly it's been mishandled by May.

    A lot of people proposed Norway as an option for either transition or permanent status before the referendum. Far better Norway than May's ludicrous worst-of-all-worlds vassal status.
    Norway being a least worse form of vassalage?
  • Sayoc seems to be a Filipino surname (unless it's a Spanish language one)
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    MattW said:

    If your friend is called Bob he will know already.
    You know Bob too?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263

    Sayoc seems to be a Filipino surname (unless it's a Spanish language one)

    From his Twitter account, which is still up, he seems to claim Seminole ancestry.

    https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/status/1055018844358672384?s=19
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234
    DavidL said:

    Hain did not name his source. An obvious source would be someone he knew in the firm. That's what would be scaring me if I was managing partner.
    He might be his own source !
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062
    edited October 2018
    Nigelb said:

    And how far back do you have to go to find a president as polarising as Trump ?
    (Which is actually an interesting question.)

    And we’re talking abut the comparison between actual early voting in the presidential election and actual early voting now - which is a quite different point from the 538 article you cite.

    Predictions based on early voting in the 2010 and 2014 midterms were awful.

    Even if turnout is up a bit this time I doubt they will offer much more of a crystal ball into the outcome
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/02/early_voting_a_poor_predictor_of_final_results.amp.html
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Sayoc seems to be a Filipino surname (unless it's a Spanish language one)

    He's apparently from NY, which may explain why there were a couple of NYPD jackets among the other jackets surrounding the van
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,458
    edited October 2018
    OT (probably). It's odd that the Tories ignore a very bright and articulate potential leader in favour of the freaks circus who are currently swarming around the leaders job.

    Most of us are in two minds about the Philip Green expose. Several MPs like Cable have done what MPs do and jumped on the the populist bandwagon.

    Dominic Grieve is the notable exception. Someone prepared to zig when the rest of them zag. Why the Tories are looking at fruitcakes when they've got a real leader under their nose is a mystery
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    Tim_B said:

    He's apparently from NY, which may explain why there were a couple of NYPD jackets among the other jackets surrounding the van
    He does seem to claim Philipino ancestry too:

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/cesar-sayoc-politics-republican-trump-magabomber/
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    MattW said:

    Is this a problem? *innocent face*

    (Lordy he looks like a more decrepit version of Piers Morgan)

    https://twitter.com/legalcheek/status/1055810322211180546

    Oh dearie me!

    Possible conflict of interest? Yes
    Possible breach of confidentiality? Yes
    Hain being a twit and not doing even the most cursory check. Yes
    Firm having to do an investigation to check that there was no leak from either it or client. Yes
    Firm having to consider how to deal with reputational issue. Yes
    Firm having to deal with letters of outrage from Green’s solicitors. Yes
    Hain having to deal with ballsaching letters from Green’s solicitors. Yes

    PB lawyers enjoying the merriment. Most definitely yes!

    The icing on the cake would be for someone else to reveal the names of those Parliamentarians against whom allegations of bullying and harassment have been made and to find that Hain is one of them.

    (Dear God: I have tried to be good so pretty please, please..... !)

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,234

    To be honest, I'd be considering culinary options at this point.
    ;) She's back from the vets, right now she has more legs to stand on than Hain.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Foxy said:

    He does seem to claim Philipino ancestry too:

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/cesar-sayoc-politics-republican-trump-magabomber/
    The two are by no means exclusive....
  • Cyclefree said:

    Oh dearie me!

    Possible conflict of interest? Yes
    Possible breach of confidentiality? Yes
    Hain being a twit and not doing even the most cursory check. Yes
    Firm having to do an investigation to check that there was no leak from either it or client. Yes
    Firm having to consider how to deal with reputational issue. Yes
    Firm having to deal with letters of outrage from Green’s solicitors. Yes
    Hain having to deal with ballsaching letters from Green’s solicitors. Yes

    PB lawyers enjoying the merriment. Most definitely yes!

    The icing on the cake would be for someone else to reveal the names of those Parliamentarians against whom allegations of bullying and harassment have been made and to find that Hain is one of them.

    (Dear God: I have tried to be good so pretty please, please..... !)

    Wealthy businessman's privilege v. Parliamentary privilege?
  • Norway being a least worse form of vassalage?
    Norway is a system we can copy and so reduces uncertainty. All other options including wto are a jump into the dark. It is frankly too late to do anything else now except delay leaving ad infinitum.
  • Ah, thanks.
    To be PB-pedantic, the lorry crashed into it on a crossover section on a road linking two dedicated rights of way near Woodbourn Road station on the Meadowhall branch.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    Yep, that's his defence, and I for one believe it.
    Come off it! He just wanted to get in before Jess Phillips MP did. And in his rush he didn’t bother to check or, most likely, didn’t care, instead coming up with sanctimonious drivel.

    Salisbury has been having quite a year of it for news:

    https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1055819221714710530

    Perhaps it’s one of those Russian tourists we keep hearing about. Very keen on Salisbury, apparently.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,654
    Pulpstar said:

    ;) She's back from the vets, right now she has more legs to stand on than Hain.
    If the worst happens then you have three options:

    1 - Pay vet to terminate wabbit.
    2 - Allow next door's feral cat loose.
    3 - Charge Blonde American Huntress £720 to shoot it across your garden pond at 10m distance with a 150mm Howitzer after following it down your garden path with a night-vision scope.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    Cyclefree said:

    Come off it! He just wanted to get in before Jess Phillips MP did. And in his rush he didn’t bother to check or, most likely, didn’t care, instead coming up with sanctimonious drivel. Perhaps it’s one of those Russian tourists we keep hearing about. Very keen on Salisbury, apparently.
    Magna Cartar, BBC?

    His aim must have been to Get Cartar....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548
    edited October 2018
    Cyclefree said:

    Come off it! He just wanted to get in before Jess Phillips MP did. And in his rush he didn’t bother to check or, most likely, didn’t care, instead coming up with sanctimonious drivel.
    Well, in fairness, the defence that he is an utter cretin is not only believable it's more or less unanswerable given his long track record of mind-boggling uselessness.

    It's refreshing to see that everyone from all sides is agreeing on something today though. Even if it is something as obvious as 'Peter Hain is a wanker.'

    It takes a special type of genius to take a story like this and make it all about a failed politician...
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Magna Cartar, BBC?

    His aim must have been to Get Cartar....
    - or Get Qatar
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    edited October 2018

    Wealthy businessman's privilege v. Parliamentary privilege?
    What interest was Hain serving? The matter was before the courts. There was going to be a full hearing. The interim injunction might well have been lifted. There are other people involved: the complainants, 2 of whom did not want the matter revealed and who now risk their names coming out in public against their wishes. And Green, unpleasant as he appears to be, denies the allegations and has not been charged, let alone been found guilty of anything.

    Hainis being simultaneously self-serving, pompous and incompetent. And he has severely embarrassed the law firm he has been advising. Plus if his source was from there - or anyone else involved in the legal process - he has likely got them into a heap of trouble. They can’t be certain they won’t be found out and he won’t be able to help them.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,371
    Cyclefree said:

    What interest was Hain serving? The matter was before the courts. There was going to be a full hearing. The interim injunction might well have been lifted. There are other people involved: the complainants, 2 of whom did not want the matter revealed and who now risk their names coming out in public against their wishes. And Green, unpleasant as he appears to be, denies the allegations and has not been charged, let alone been found guilty of anything.

    Hainis being simultaneously self-serving, pompous and incompetent. And he has severely embarrassed the law firm he has been advising. Plus if his source was from there - or anyone else involved in the legal process - he has likely got them into a heap of trouble. They can’t be certain they won’t be found out and he won’t be able to help them.
    I have heard a very nice and generous thing about Green from a decade or so ago. I won't say what it was, but it was a very kind act on his behalf, and reflects an interesting and personal side to his character.

    Which, as an anecdote, is essentially meaningless. *If* he is guilty of the accusations people have claimed against him, then they should stand on their own account.

    But it shows that most public figures are more complex than the 'evil' or 'angel' caricatures they often get pigeonholed into.

    I also rather doubt Hain would have been so keen if the businessman had been a Labour supporter. There's also a certain stink about his actions given the recent report into behaviour in parliament.
  • Irish election poll(s) at 10PM
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,458
    Cyclefree said:

    What interest was Hain serving? The matter was before the courts. There was going to be a full hearing. The interim injunction might well have been lifted. There are other people involved: the complainants, 2 of whom did not want the matter revealed and who now risk their names coming out in public against their wishes. And Green, unpleasant as he appears to be, denies the allegations and has not been charged, let alone been found guilty of anything.

    Hainis being simultaneously self-serving, pompous and incompetent. And he has severely embarrassed the law firm he has been advising. Plus if his source was from there - or anyone else involved in the legal process - he has likely got them into a heap of trouble. They can’t be certain they won’t be found out and he won’t be able to help them.

    Quite something when these publicity seeking politicians make the public feel sorry for Philip Green but that's what's happening. What a self righteous prat Hain has turned out to be.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    Cyclefree said:

    What interest was Hain serving? The matter was before the courts. There was going to be a full hearing. The interim injunction might well have been lifted. There are other people involved: the complainants, 2 of whom did not want the matter revealed and who now risk their names coming out in public against their wishes. And Green, unpleasant as he appears to be, denies the allegations and has not been charged, let alone been found guilty of anything.

    Hainis being simultaneously self-serving, pompous and incompetent. And he has severely embarrassed the law firm he has been advising. Plus if his source was from there - or anyone else involved in the legal process - he has likely got them into a heap of trouble. They can’t be certain they won’t be found out and he won’t be able to help them.

    All of that. Plus this
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/peter-hain-has-fundamentally-undermined-the-rule-of-law/
  • Impressed to see spurs sneak out bad news late on a Friday. That's proper news management...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    edited October 2018

    Impressed to see spurs sneak out bad news late on a Friday. That's proper news management...

    Because their opponents are at Friday prayers?
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Norway is a system we can copy and so reduces uncertainty. All other options including wto are a jump into the dark. It is frankly too late to do anything else now except delay leaving ad infinitum.

    Norway is a system we can copy and so reduces uncertainty. All other options including wto are a jump into the dark. It is frankly too late to do anything else now except delay leaving ad infinitum.
    I think we may as well leave with no deal and take the consequences. At least that way when we rejoin we'll be like Tigger after he lost his bounce and not hold the project back.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    kjh said:

    I think your defence that you really didn't know 'Bob' and that you just met in the pub will be shot when they find that on your internet search.
    Risky, I know, but I’d call Mr N. Just don’t mention Great Yarmouth Co-op, please.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,821

    I think we may as well leave with no deal and take the consequences. At least that way when we rejoin we'll be like Tigger after he lost his bounce and not hold the project back.
    Are you famliar wit hthe story of when Tigger was Unbounced? I'm not sure it works out how you think it did.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Cookie said:

    Are you famliar wit hthe story of when Tigger was Unbounced? I'm not sure it works out how you think it did.
    Well that's my credibility shot to pieces.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    Cookie said:

    Are you famliar wit hthe story of when Tigger was Unbounced? I'm not sure it works out how you think it did.
    I know Hammond is Eeyore, but who is this Tigger of whom you speak. Could it be Alexander de Pfeffel?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    Impressed to see spurs sneak out bad news late on a Friday. That's proper news management...

    I bought a programme at the NLD at Wembley last season as I thought it would be the only league meeting between the two at Wembley. I might have been mistaken.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    Cyclefree said:

    Come off it! He just wanted to get in before Jess Phillips MP did. And in his rush he didn’t bother to check or, most likely, didn’t care, instead coming up with sanctimonious drivel. Perhaps it’s one of those Russian tourists we keep hearing about. Very keen on Salisbury, apparently.
    Though I don't think that Russian tourists are interested in the basis of our legal system!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    Foxy said:

    Though I don't think that Russian tourists are interested in the basis of our legal system!
    Accidental terrorists tourists? :wink:
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    geoffw said:

    All of that. Plus this
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/peter-hain-has-fundamentally-undermined-the-rule-of-law/
    Dominic Grieve has said much the same thing.

    Hain was wittering on Newsnight last night about how Parliament was sovereign thus showing that he does not understand that Parliamentarians are as subject to the law as anyone else.

    “ Be you ever so high, the law is above you.”

    Still, think of all those Dadds lawyers and IT bods busy working tonight and over the weekend on their leak inquiry........ when they get any spare time they’ll be throwing darts at pictures of him.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,458
    Tommy Robinson invited to lunch at the House of Lords. Is there no limit to how far they've allowed their standards to slip?

    https://news.sky.com/story/loathsome-tommy-robinson-slammed-after-dining-in-parliament-11534373
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    Roger said:

    Tommy Robinson invited to lunch at the House of Lords. Is there no limit to how far they've allowed their standards to slip?

    https://news.sky.com/story/loathsome-tommy-robinson-slammed-after-dining-in-parliament-11534373

    Yes it is shocking to see TR consorting with such a bunch of shysters.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,371
    An off-topic ramble, if I may:

    Sometimes we need to be more thankful. Despite some setbacks in life, I've been lucky and very fortunate. Whilst I have engineered some of that luck, chance has played a massive role.

    Yet occasionally I find myself worried, wishing things could be better for us, and generally discontented with my/our lot. "My goodness, is my son writing well enough for four years of age?" or "Are we saving enough?"

    In the last couple of days I've met up with some other parents of children the little un's age. One has five kids, the youngest with a severe disability, and a partner on a low-paying job. Another has one child, and a partner on low-paying shift work. The third has one son, who is moderate-to-severe autistic and has been found not to be compatible with his mainstream school (or words to that effect).

    It has had a rather sobering effect in helping me remember that I'm bloody lucky, and many people aren't in such a position, often through no fault of their own.

    Yet despite this, the mothers (and kids) all outwardly seem happy. Yet I know other people with much more good fortune who are miserable blighters.

    What's really frightening is that we might be one random incident or illness away from similar misfortune ...

    I think I just needed reminding.
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