politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Punters now make it a 57% chance that TMay will be out next ye

Sean_F said:

CarlottaVance said:

Good question:

https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1049609940850098176?s=20

I don't know if there's any Brexit polling on the legal profession. I expect that solicitors and barristers voted much like upper middle class voters generally, about 58% to 42% in favour of Remain.

82% of UK based lawyers voted Remain but 26% of managing and senior partners in law firms voted Leave

https://www.thelawyer.com/revealed-82-lawyers-voted-remain/

English devolution must be along historic county lines - areas people actually identify with rather than obscure ‘geographical’ groupings. There’s a reason the ‘North East’ assembly referendum failed.

OldKingCole said:

DavidL said:

OldKingCole said:

williamglenn said:

@Morris_Dancer look away now.



https://www.citymetric.com/politics/what-would-regions-england-look-federal-uk-2679

Interesting thought. Essex is split between London and East Anglia. It is, but that’s rarely recognised. Just so long as the County Cricket ground stays in Real (i.e. East Anglian) Essex!

How can Wessex not include Winchester?

Excellent point. Who dreamed up this?

The entire south is a bit clunky. the Solent/Thames area looks very odd. People tend to think of it being 'the south coast' area. Not linking Southampton with, what Milton Keynes or Northampton in the North?

felix said:

Chris Williamson may face attempts to deselect him in Derby - he's annoyed the TU's. What a bitch Karma is sometimes

His response was “I’d obviously hope I have the confidence if members but if they want someone else that’s up to them. Clearly would be disappointing on an individual level but that’s life”

Difficult to disagree with that response

Charles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I would place a sporting wager that if Jeremy Corbyn were to be elected Prime Minister that some of the pb Tories would decide that they didn't need to wait until the following election to oppose some at least of his policies with every fibre of their beings and would take direct actions to seek to thwart them.

We wouldn’t stop him moving into 10 Downing Street and becoming PM

What if you knew that once he moved in, he could only be moved out with the explicit agreement of the prime ministers and both parliaments of each of the 27 EU member states?

williamglenn said:

Charles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I would place a sporting wager that if Jeremy Corbyn were to be elected Prime Minister that some of the pb Tories would decide that they didn't need to wait until the following election to oppose some at least of his policies with every fibre of their beings and would take direct actions to seek to thwart them.

We wouldn’t stop him moving into 10 Downing Street and becoming PM

If you could win a vote of confidence against him shortly after the election, you'd turn down the chance?

He’d be PM until he wasn’t.

Once we leave you can campaign to rejoin

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

@Morris_Dancer look away now.



https://www.citymetric.com/politics/what-would-regions-england-look-federal-uk-2679

Why not just have an English Parliament?

How about we free the Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh from the Norman yoke and just have 'England'? We could grant political asylum to unionists fleeing Scotland/Wales. Everyone's happy then. Apart from the DUP of course, but honestly, has anyone ever seen a member of the DUP with a smile on their face?

JosiasJessop said:

Off-topic:

I'm listening to Absolute 80s as I'm trying to do some work.

Morrisey is playing.

And it reminds me that he's a twunt.

Boring one as well

Charles said:

williamglenn said:

Charles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I would place a sporting wager that if Jeremy Corbyn were to be elected Prime Minister that some of the pb Tories would decide that they didn't need to wait until the following election to oppose some at least of his policies with every fibre of their beings and would take direct actions to seek to thwart them.

We wouldn’t stop him moving into 10 Downing Street and becoming PM

If you could win a vote of confidence against him shortly after the election, you'd turn down the chance?

He’d be PM until he wasn’t.

Once we leave you can campaign to rejoin

We're leaving until we aren't.

It's not the fault of Remainers if the project can't sustain support long enough to come into effect.

Charles said:

felix said:

Chris Williamson may face attempts to deselect him in Derby - he's annoyed the TU's. What a bitch Karma is sometimes

His response was “I’d obviously hope I have the confidence if members but if they want someone else that’s up to them. Clearly would be disappointing on an individual level but that’s life”

Difficult to disagree with that response

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1049628459792646144

AlastairMeeks said:

I would place a sporting wager that if Jeremy Corbyn were to be elected Prime Minister that some of the pb Tories would decide that they didn't need to wait until the following election to oppose some at least of his policies with every fibre of their beings and would take direct actions to seek to thwart them.

I'm going to be the politruk of our village. I've already started on my list and bought a Tom Courtenay as Strelnikov coat off ebay.

tlg86 said:

williamglenn said:

Charles said:

williamglenn said:

Charles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I would place a sporting wager that if Jeremy Corbyn were to be elected Prime Minister that some of the pb Tories would decide that they didn't need to wait until the following election to oppose some at least of his policies with every fibre of their beings and would take direct actions to seek to thwart them.

We wouldn’t stop him moving into 10 Downing Street and becoming PM

If you could win a vote of confidence against him shortly after the election, you'd turn down the chance?

He’d be PM until he wasn’t.

Once we leave you can campaign to rejoin

We're leaving until we aren't.

It's not the fault of Remainers if the project can't sustain support long enough to come into effect.

BiB - Does the same apply to Turkey? They are joining the EU until they aren't.

If you think so, let's extend Article 50 negotiations indefinitely and we'll be in an analogous position.

Hillary Clinton condemns Theresa May over Tory MEPs backing for Orban

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hillary-clinton-condemns-theresa-may-over-tory-support-for-authoritarian-hungarian-leader_uk_5bbc7128e4b01470d054d2dc

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

@Morris_Dancer look away now.



https://www.citymetric.com/politics/what-would-regions-england-look-federal-uk-2679

Why not just have an English Parliament?

The purpose of English regions would be to devolve power away from London, but to an intermediate scale larger than single counties that is large enough to tackle problems like transport infrastructure.

I think the proposals are a good starting point, but the North Of England is probably too large and London probably still too small.

Edit: I don't see much reason not to split his Thames & Solent region between its neighbours. Yorkshire can, and would want to, stand alone.

Charles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Charles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I would place a sporting wager that if Jeremy Corbyn were to be elected Prime Minister that some of the pb Tories would decide that they didn't need to wait until the following election to oppose some at least of his policies with every fibre of their beings and would take direct actions to seek to thwart them.

We wouldn’t stop him moving into 10 Downing Street and becoming PM

What if you knew that once he moved in, he could only be moved out with the explicit agreement of the prime ministers and both parliaments of each of the 27 EU member states?

If those are the rules, those are the rules

(Silly analogy. Fundamentally too many people are trying to reverse a democratic decision they don’t like. I think they are misled by the media attention and the twitter sphere as to the popular appetite for this in practice)

Seems like it would be sensible to make damn sure that was what the voters actually wanted before making Corbyn dictator for life or when all EU states agreed with each other, I'm pretty sure you'd be saying the same if those were the rules...

AllyPally_Rob said:

Sean_F said:

Pulpstar said:

Sean_F said:

rottenborough said:

Sean_F said:

O/T WRT the US Senate, it looks as though the Republicans are pulling away in Texas, Tennessee, and North Dakota, and the likelihood of the Democrats gaining the Senate is now remote.

It's unusual, but not very unusual, for the House and Senate to move in different directions, simply because only 2/3 of the States have Senate elections each year. 1982 is an example of this. The Republicans lost heavily in the House, but gained a Senate seat, simply because 1976, when the seats were last contested, had been such a good Democratic year.

Chances of Dem Senate have dropped by about 10% since start of month, according to fivethirtyeight models.

Manchin looks safe in West Virginia. That leaves Indiana, Arizona, Nevada, Missouri, Florida, and Montana as very close fights. I'd be surprised if the Republicans can't win at least one of those.

Nevada, Missouri and Florida are all toss up states; Indiana, Arizona Lean Dem and Montana still likely Dem.
I've backed Tester, I think he's still the safest of all those states.

If I had to pick one that the Republicans will gain, I'd nominate Missouri. Claire McKaskill is a popular Senator, but I don't see her surviving her opposition to Kavanaugh in State that's trended very rapidly Red.

I'd back Nelson to keep his seat in Florida for the Dems aswell. The Democrat Gillum is leading in the Governor's race, so he'll pull Nelson over the line with him I expect.

The last two polls show the Florida Governors race tightening a lot - both with only 1 point leads for Gillum. So given how unpredictable the state is I wouldn't say either race is certain.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/governor/fl/florida_governor_desantis_vs_gillum-6518.html

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

John_M said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

@Morris_Dancer look away now.



https://www.citymetric.com/politics/what-would-regions-england-look-federal-uk-2679

Why not just have an English Parliament?

How about we free the Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh from the Norman yoke and just have 'England'? We could grant political asylum to unionists fleeing Scotland/Wales. Everyone's happy then. Apart from the DUP of course, but honestly, has anyone ever seen a member of the DUP with a smile on their face?

The Welsh would not vote for independence and even the Scots are not certain too, an English Parliament joining the Scottish Parliament, Welsh and Northern Irish Assemblies with Westminster becoming the Federal Parliament is the way forward

What chance the pigs at Westminster giving up the trough. It will never happen , they will keep the de facto English parliament as it stands

New jobs as MEPs (for England not Europe)

OblitusSumMe said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

@Morris_Dancer look away now.



https://www.citymetric.com/politics/what-would-regions-england-look-federal-uk-2679

Why not just have an English Parliament?

The purpose of English regions would be to devolve power away from London, but to an intermediate scale larger than single counties that is large enough to tackle problems like transport infrastructure.

I think the proposals are a good starting point, but the North Of England is probably too large and London probably still too small.

Edit: I don't see much reason not to split his Thames & Solent region between its neighbours. Yorkshire can, and would want to, stand alone.

Regionalism is what the EU tried to do to break up England in European elections

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

JosiasJessop said:

logical_song said:

JosiasJessop said:

williamglenn said:

Pimlico Plumbers are running an eye-catching campaign.

https://twitter.com/PimlicoPlumbers/status/1049592980728926209

Yet another numpty screeching and shouting, without a workable alternative plan.

(And yes, I know he's a remainer.)

Remaining is a workable plan - No Northern Ireland problem, no single market or customs union problem, no Gibraltar problem, no problems for exporters or the City.
Probably also a democratically popular outcome.
Saw a Pimlico Plumbers sign from the Soton to Waterloo train.

I disagree. It's unworkable as nothing would be settled: opinions generally haven't shifted since the referendum. All we'd get is yet more harmful political turmoil, and the EU would get a partner who hated them.

It'd just end up in another referendum, and another leave vote.

This is fanciful. If Brexit were reversed in another referendum, any politician proposing to go through it all over again would get nowhere.

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

At least Little England would have a route to export its wares. London - not so much, as The Thames gets blockaded by Kent and Essex....

And they'd be drinking their own piss within a month, as the water got cut off. (Although, no doubt, a range of high-end Piss Bars would open up in Islington....)

Sort of on-thread:

There seems to be a narrative developing that because the core Brexit supporters don't like where the negotiations are going, Brexit sceptics must, instead. That's seen in assumptions about Labour votes for the final deal, that the Tory 'Remoaner rebels' will come on board, and even suggestions that the Lib Dems would vote for the deal!

This is getting way off beam: Labour, Lib Dems and SNP are all committed to voting against any deal that doesn't include customs union membership - I can't see how any even come round to abstaining (I'm sure a few labour rebels will.) But no-one is enthusiastic about where negotiations are going; it might avoid chaos but it's looking like a truly lousy deal compared to where we are now, and given how tribal the Tories have been about it all, there's no incentive for the opposition to save TMay's bacon.

When did the opposition ever get blamed for the Government losing a vote? (The only example I can think of is the Syria vote when Ed Miliband got blamed - a great bit of spin to cover an incompetent whipping operation, tin-eared to all the rebels on the Government side.) If the vote goes down, it'll be the Tories who get the blame and no-one else.

Put it this way,a journalist offered a Tory MP a £10 bet that Jacob Rees Mogg would end up voting for the deal - he wouldn't take it. Wise move I think. The ERG have most to lose by the deal being voted down; either they lose Brexit in full, or they get totally found out by the chaos of no deal. So I see them holding their noses and twisting their logic to find a reason to support it. They have most to lose by not blinking.

Charles said:

felix said:

Chris Williamson may face attempts to deselect him in Derby - he's annoyed the TU's. What a bitch Karma is sometimes

His response was “I’d obviously hope I have the confidence if members but if they want someone else that’s up to them. Clearly would be disappointing on an individual level but that’s life”

Difficult to disagree with that response

Yes, full marks for consistency. I think he'll be OK, in fact.

edmundintokyo said:

Charles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Charles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I would place a sporting wager that if Jeremy Corbyn were to be elected Prime Minister that some of the pb Tories would decide that they didn't need to wait until the following election to oppose some at least of his policies with every fibre of their beings and would take direct actions to seek to thwart them.

We wouldn’t stop him moving into 10 Downing Street and becoming PM

What if you knew that once he moved in, he could only be moved out with the explicit agreement of the prime ministers and both parliaments of each of the 27 EU member states?

If those are the rules, those are the rules

(Silly analogy. Fundamentally too many people are trying to reverse a democratic decision they don’t like. I think they are misled by the media attention and the twitter sphere as to the popular appetite for this in practice)

Seems like it would be sensible to make damn sure that was what the voters actually wanted before making Corbyn dictator for life or when all EU states agreed with each other, I'm pretty sure you'd be saying the same if those were the rules...

It’s a hypothetical. That’s a waste of time

MarqueeMark said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

At least Little England would have a route to export its wares. London - not so much, as The Thames gets blockaded by Kent and Essex....

And they'd be drinking their own piss within a month, as the water got cut off. (Although, no doubt, a range of high-end Piss Bars would open up in Islington....)

Bar city airport which handles limited flights all London's airports are in local authority areas (Luton, Hillingdon Crawley, Rochford and Uttlesford) which voted leave - and even Newham was nearly 50-50. You could end up with a Berlin style airlift to feed London via the Royal Docks - although the Chinese have bought that area up now so they may get the supplies first!

When Waitrose runs out of milk coffee and teabags and people can't get their free hot drink every day Hampstead and Islington will explode with rage!

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1049632120883306496?s=20

Putin really doesn't give a **** does he.

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

John_M said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

@Morris_Dancer look away now.



https://www.citymetric.com/politics/what-would-regions-england-look-federal-uk-2679

Why not just have an English Parliament?

How about we free the Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh from the Norman yoke and just have 'England'? We could grant political asylum to unionists fleeing Scotland/Wales. Everyone's happy then. Apart from the DUP of course, but honestly, has anyone ever seen a member of the DUP with a smile on their face?

The Welsh would not vote for independence and even the Scots are not certain too, an English Parliament joining the Scottish Parliament, Welsh and Northern Irish Assemblies with Westminster becoming the Federal Parliament is the way forward

What chance the pigs at Westminster giving up the trough. It will never happen , they will keep the de facto English parliament as it stands

New jobs as MEPs (for England not Europe)

So even more useless twunts slurping away the subsidised champers, no thanks.

CarlottaVance said:

From every beam of every ceiling in Glasgow’s SECC droops the same giant banner: ‘HOPE’, styled in Nationalist yellow and black.

From a distance, it looks like a motivational talk has got out of hand and staged a military coup.

Underneath, SNP members trudge in dismay from conference halls to party tat stalls. Their only hope is that a spontaneous debate on the constitution breaks out at some point, for the national question has been assiduously kept off the agenda. You can’t talk about independence in here. This is the SNP conference.

https://stephendaisley.com/2018/10/09/ian-blackford-belched-out-words-like-a-stubby-little-chimney/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Blimp Daisley whining as ever, sick he cannot be part of it , your average labour unionist loser. Can you imagine any of the other parties at the SECC, they would only need to book the toilets. The venue required and the green cheese from the unionists says it all.

Slackbladder said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1049632120883306496?s=20

Putin really doesn't give a **** does he.

He’s getting reckless.

williamglenn said:

Slackbladder said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1049632120883306496?s=20

Putin really doesn't give a **** does he.

He’s getting reckless.

He can afford to. The west lacks anything to fight with.

malcolmg said:

JosiasJessop said:

logical_song said:

JosiasJessop said:

williamglenn said:

Pimlico Plumbers are running an eye-catching campaign.

https://twitter.com/PimlicoPlumbers/status/1049592980728926209

Yet another numpty screeching and shouting, without a workable alternative plan.

(And yes, I know he's a remainer.)

Remaining is a workable plan - No Northern Ireland problem, no single market or customs union problem, no Gibraltar problem, no problems for exporters or the City.
Probably also a democratically popular outcome.
Saw a Pimlico Plumbers sign from the Soton to Waterloo train.

I disagree. It's unworkable as nothing would be settled: opinions generally haven't shifted since the referendum. All we'd get is yet more harmful political turmoil, and the EU would get a partner who hated them.

It'd just end up in another referendum, and another leave vote.

We're in a sh*t situation, mainly thanks to leavers who were to lazy to do any work on what would happen if they won. But they won.

Perhaps Remainers should not have been so cocky and got off their butts. Hoist by their own petard.

I don't think that's true: they did work for a win. It's just that leave had some powerful cards; including the central lie that has led us into this situation.

williamglenn said:

Slackbladder said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1049632120883306496?s=20

Putin really doesn't give a **** does he.

He’s getting reckless.

Don’t get TSE excited....

Recidivist said:

malcolmg said:

JosiasJessop said:

logical_song said:

JosiasJessop said:

williamglenn said:

Pimlico Plumbers are running an eye-catching campaign.

https://twitter.com/PimlicoPlumbers/status/1049592980728926209

Yet another numpty screeching and shouting, without a workable alternative plan.

(And yes, I know he's a remainer.)

Remaining is a workable plan - No Northern Ireland problem, no single market or customs union problem, no Gibraltar problem, no problems for exporters or the City.
Probably also a democratically popular outcome.
Saw a Pimlico Plumbers sign from the Soton to Waterloo train.

I disagree. It's unworkable as nothing would be settled: opinions generally haven't shifted since the referendum. All we'd get is yet more harmful political turmoil, and the EU would get a partner who hated them.

It'd just end up in another referendum, and another leave vote.

We're in a sh*t situation, mainly thanks to leavers who were to lazy to do any work on what would happen if they won. But they won.

Perhaps Remainers should not have been so cocky and got off their butts. Hoist by their own petard.

What did you expect us to do? Most of us had never given the subject a moment's thought before, and in any case it all looked like a way for Cameron to shut up his internal critics. It didn't seem like anything to do with me.

Cameron and the Tories are the ones to blame.

JosiasJessop said:

williamglenn said:

JosiasJessop said:

logical_song said:

JosiasJessop said:

williamglenn said:

Pimlico Plumbers are running an eye-catching campaign.

https://twitter.com/PimlicoPlumbers/status/1049592980728926209

Yet another numpty screeching and shouting, without a workable alternative plan.

(And yes, I know he's a remainer.)

Remaining is a workable plan - No Northern Ireland problem, no single market or customs union problem, no Gibraltar problem, no problems for exporters or the City.
Probably also a democratically popular outcome.
Saw a Pimlico Plumbers sign from the Soton to Waterloo train.

I disagree. It's unworkable as nothing would be settled: opinions generally haven't shifted since the referendum. All we'd get is yet more harmful political turmoil, and the EU would get a partner who hated them.

It'd just end up in another referendum, and another leave vote.

This is fanciful. If Brexit were reversed in another referendum, any politician proposing to go through it all over again would get nowhere.

*If* Brexit was reversed, then we'd just be back in the situation we were before 2016, with every little ill facing the country being blamed on the EU. Except this time with the added fire of betrayal, we wuz robbed, etc.

It'd settle nothing. Euroscepticism would still infect politics on all sides, and any politician proposing to go through it all again on leave's side would get a great deal of support.

I don't like the Brexiteers screeching against a second meaningful referendum. But I'd also dislike remainers, if they won another referendum, arguing against another. And that's the problem: the country's split.

If we have another referendum, I hope to God one side or the other comprehensively wins it.

Personne n'est corrigé; personne n'a su ni rien oublier ni rien apprendre.

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Nigel_Foremain said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Sooner Ely than Brussels.

HYUFD said:

John_M said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

@Morris_Dancer look away now.



https://www.citymetric.com/politics/what-would-regions-england-look-federal-uk-2679

Why not just have an English Parliament?

How about we free the Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh from the Norman yoke and just have 'England'? We could grant political asylum to unionists fleeing Scotland/Wales. Everyone's happy then. Apart from the DUP of course, but honestly, has anyone ever seen a member of the DUP with a smile on their face?

The Welsh would not vote for independence and even the Scots are not certain too, an English Parliament joining the Scottish Parliament, Welsh and Northern Irish Assemblies with Westminster becoming the Federal Parliament is the way forward

Who says that they have to have a vote?

Brom said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Sooner Ely than Brussels.

I was once walking along the waterfront in Ely when I saw a narrowboat smash into a cruiser. Obviously fertile Brexiteer territory.

That's still not as good as the one a couple of decades ago, when a hire cruiser left a boatyard, hit a dolphin (*) and sank, blocking the river. The family hiring it had managed to go about fifty metres ...

(*) Not the aquatic mammal.

Brom said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Sooner Ely than Brussels.

Brussels wasn't/isn't our capital you dipstick. Do you live in the fens?

JosiasJessop said:

Brom said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Sooner Ely than Brussels.

I was once walking along the waterfront in Ely when I saw a narrowboat smash into a cruiser. Obviously fertile Brexiteer territory.

That's still not as good as the one a couple of decades ago, when a hire cruiser left a boatyard, hit a dolphin (*) and sank, blocking the river. The family hiring it had managed to go about fifty metres ...

(*) Not the aquatic mammal.

Many years ago I was by entrance to Weymouth Harbour when a cruiser turned up about 10 minutes after the lifting bridge had closed. It had a sizeable mast and as it approached the bridge at a fair speed we were watching thinking "is that going to get under?" The answer was a sizeable thud and the mast came down. What made it most amusing was that their was a guy piloting the boat and what we assumed was his wife at the back. I'd love to have seen the resulting domestic that must have followed.

OblitusSumMe said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Winchester was, of course, the original capital of England. The once and future capital?

Possibly a good one. In those days it was I believe an ambition of Alfred to unite all of Engaland . This is of course why many football hooligans pronounce it this way, because they are in reality highly cultured and wish to hark back to a time when it was encouraged to go and have a good fight with continental foreigners (Danes, Norse, Frankish, Welsh, Irish etc.)

tlg86 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Brom said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Sooner Ely than Brussels.

I was once walking along the waterfront in Ely when I saw a narrowboat smash into a cruiser. Obviously fertile Brexiteer territory.

That's still not as good as the one a couple of decades ago, when a hire cruiser left a boatyard, hit a dolphin (*) and sank, blocking the river. The family hiring it had managed to go about fifty metres ...

(*) Not the aquatic mammal.

Many years ago I was by entrance to Weymouth Harbour when a cruiser turned up about 10 minutes after the lifting bridge had closed. It had a sizeable mast and as it approached the bridge at a fair speed we were watching thinking "is that going to get under?" The answer was a sizeable thud and the mast came down. What made it most amusing was that their was a guy piloting the boat and what we assumed was his wife at the back. I'd love to have seen the resulting domestic that must have followed.

My grand-uncle spent his adult life at sea as a captain. After he retired, the many generations of his family decided to take him on a canal cruise. In the week, he was the only one to run the narrowboat aground ...

To his credit, he loves that story.

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1049648478777937921

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1049648478777937921

The ERG are increasingly sounding worried. Seems they know they're screwed, and its May's Brexit, or no Brexit.

Nigel_Foremain said:

Brom said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Brom said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Sooner Ely than Brussels.

Brussels wasn't/isn't our capital you dipstick. Do you live in the fens?

Yes because after Brexit our capital will definitely move from London, and it was in no way a jokey conversation. What a dope, and so easily wound up too!

You might want to reread what you have written, though I think I understand what your brain cell was attempting to instruct you to type. London always was our capital you moron. Your ignorance merely confirms the stereotype Brexit supporter. Go on, tell me it was all about "sovereignty", then try and explain why

Wither Colchester & Winchester ?

Nigelb said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Couldn’t we just give Little England the Isle of Wight and the rest of us carry on as before ?

I was thinking the same. They say New Zealand is like England in the 1950s, maybe we could persuade the Kiwis to take a few million of them in, though I am told New Zealanders are generally a broadminded positive lot, so they might say no

Nigelb said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Couldn’t we just give Little England the Isle of Wight and the rest of us carry on as before ?

Isle of Wight is one of the nicest part's of the UK, it would be highly sought after.

TheScreamingEagles said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1049648478777937921

That nobend should trigger a by election, that’ll show Mrs May.

May is more ruthless than Cameron. She'd expel him.

Nigel_Foremain said:

Brom said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Brom said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Dura_Ace said:

OblitusSumMe said:

If a PM was forced by their backbenchers into holding an English Independence from the UK referendum then I think there's a good chance that PM would lose the campaign for Remain and England would vote to Leave the British Union.

Hartlepool would be a good place for the capital and parliament of Little England.

Ely is the obvious alternative. It has a nice cathedral (traditional hierarchy is important to the small minded), it is very small, and is right in the middle of a nice bit of inward looking fenland. Admittedly it is close to Remain voting Cambridge (danger: lots of "experts" live there), but that just might help to get that feeling of self-righteous injustice, chippy-ness and hatred of others that all nationalists thrive on.

Sooner Ely than Brussels.

Brussels wasn't/isn't our capital you dipstick. Do you live in the fens?

Yes because after Brexit our capital will definitely move from London, and it was in no way a jokey conversation. What a dope, and so easily wound up too!

You might want to reread what you have written, though I think I understand what your brain cell was attempting to instruct you to type. London always was our capital you moron. Your ignorance merely confirms the stereotype Brexit supporter. Go on, tell me it was all about "sovereignty", then try and explain why

Oh Dear Nigel, The joke just flew over your head. Sad seeing an old man so bitter about Brexit on the internet. By the way as a history graduate I should point out that London was not always our capital, you can trust me I'm an expert