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In what we in the UK would describe as a poll of marginals the Washington Post is reporting a survey in 69 key Congressional districts which overall voted 56% Republican to 41% Democratic last time,

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PClipp · October 2018

First

Theuniondivvie · October 2018

Fpt

The incels are taking Taylor Swift backing the Democrat in Tennessee well. Immediate removal from a host of wank banks is my guess.

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1049251386075041792

Quincel · October 2018

Typo: "In UK terms that represents quite come swing." *quite some swing*, surely?

Sean_F · October 2018

That would imply a lead of about 17% for the Democrats in the House, overall, which conflicts with the rest of the polling.

AlastairMeeks · October 2018

As I have pointed out regularly, a remarkable number of Leavers are utterly reckless:

https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1049248523630387201

Slackbladder · October 2018

69 hur hur.....

TheWhiteRabbit · October 2018

AlastairMeeks said:
As I have pointed out regularly, a remarkable number of Leavers are utterly reckless:

https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1049248523630387201

Not this again, it's going to be one of those forced choice questions where the people polled don't accept the antecedent.

logical_song · October 2018

Trump driving women away from the Republicans.
"That means that when, say, 84 percent of Republican women say they approve of Trump and his actions, or 69 percent of Republican women say they support Kavanaugh, or 64 percent say they, like Trump, don’t find Ford very “credible,” those percentages represent a small and shrinking slice of American women."
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/08/donald-trump-women-gop-221080

Beverley_C · October 2018

FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
If you do not stop making controversial posts like this Mr G, the workhouse nurse might take your internet access away. The decrepit elderly are only supposed to read the church magazine whilst mashing their gums together in protest at the Vicar's mishandling of the tea fund.

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please

If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

Beverley_C · October 2018

FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.

For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.

AlastairMeeks · October 2018

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
If you do not stop making controversial posts like this Mr G, the workhouse nurse might take your internet access away. The decrepit elderly are only supposed to read the church magazine whilst mashing their gums together in protest at the Vicar's mishandling of the tea fund.

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please
If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

There's a John Wyndham short story about a world in the near future where men have died out.

Tiresias supposedly changed sex back and forth between man and woman because of Hera.

Cyclefree · October 2018

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.

According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.

Pulpstar · October 2018

https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1049249806554730497

RobD · October 2018

Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1049249806554730497

A purely hypothetical situation for most of them

Beverley_C · October 2018

AlastairMeeks said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
If you do not stop making controversial posts like this Mr G, the workhouse nurse might take your internet access away. The decrepit elderly are only supposed to read the church magazine whilst mashing their gums together in protest at the Vicar's mishandling of the tea fund.

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please
If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

There's a John Wyndham short story about a world in the near future where men have died out.

Tiresias supposedly changed sex back and forth between man and woman because of Hera.

Thanks Mr Meeks - I was not aware of either of those

Beverley_C · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.

Should I have flagged the Irony Indicator?

Cyclefree · October 2018

AlastairMeeks said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
If you do not stop making controversial posts like this Mr G, the workhouse nurse might take your internet access away. The decrepit elderly are only supposed to read the church magazine whilst mashing their gums together in protest at the Vicar's mishandling of the tea fund.

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please
If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

There's a John Wyndham short story about a world in the near future where men have died out.

Tiresias supposedly changed sex back and forth between man and woman because of Hera.

In my Irish family all the men (including my father) died young and all the women lived on for a further 30 years on average having a high old time. And not just in my parents' generation but for several generations before then.

And even in my mother's family, the women seemed to run everything, even when there were men still around. As a child they always seemed to me to be appendages rather than at the centre of things.

I am rather hoping, as the daughter of the eldest son, that I have inherited my Irish grandmother's constitution rather than my father's.

AlastairMeeks · October 2018

On topic, it would be helpful to know how in practice the USA has swung in the past. You would have thought that UNS would work well in what is essentially a binary contest.

TheWhiteRabbit · October 2018

Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1049249806554730497

I may be tightfisted but I suggest at least SOME money should be spent on the Welsh...

Cyclefree · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Should I have flagged the Irony Indicator?

No, I got it. I rather had @matt's odd comment on the previous thread in mind.

Pro_Rata · October 2018

Interesting nugget on the local news: a Windrush support body in Huddersfield estimating that 500 people in the town have suffered citizenship issues from the Windrush era. Black and Black British population of the town from census is a little above 6,500.

Scaling up to the UK as a whole, and making a little allowance for the fact that a campaign group estimate may be at the high end, that translates to somewhere around 50k people nationally, 5% or so of those who identify as Black, who might need cases looking at. Whatever, it seems that the several dozen or so wrongful deportations are very much the thin end of the wedge.

AlastairMeeks · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
If you do not stop making controversial posts like this Mr G, the workhouse nurse might take your internet access away. The decrepit elderly are only supposed to read the church magazine whilst mashing their gums together in protest at the Vicar's mishandling of the tea fund.

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please
If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

There's a John Wyndham short story about a world in the near future where men have died out.

Tiresias supposedly changed sex back and forth between man and woman because of Hera.
Thanks Mr Meeks - I was not aware of either of those

The John Wyndham story is called Consider Her Ways.

As a Norfolk boy, I have to stop myself from typing Wymondham.

Morris_Dancer · October 2018

FPT: Mrs C, I am not a historical anachronism! I'm the epitome of modernity. Why, this very year I acquired a mechanical calculator of cutting edge design (manufactured in 1948, designed in 1938).

And I do not possess a car. I travel in a chariot drawn by six enormo-haddock.

Pulpstar · October 2018

AlastairMeeks said:
On topic, it would be helpful to know how in practice the USA has swung in the past. You would have thought that UNS would work well in what is essentially a binary contest.

This might not have been your question, but both the house and the senate almost always swing against the incumbent presidency.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-crazy-is-it-that-the-senate-and-house-might-move-in-opposite-directions-this-year/

Beverley_C · October 2018

Cyclefree said:
In my Irish family all the men (including my father) died young and all the women lived on for a further 30 years on average having a high old time. And not just in my parents' generation but for several generations before then.

And even in my mother's family, the women seemed to run everything, even when there were men still around. As a child they always seemed to me to be appendages rather than at the centre of things.

I am rather hoping, as the daughter of the eldest son, that I have inherited my Irish grandmother's constitution rather than my father's.

A lot of my friends are divorced women - I must be that sort of age ....

Men are those strange creatures on the periphery of our social circle, but they are very useful for lifting things or tinkering with oily stuff and spanners.

I wonder what they are really for?

TheWhiteRabbit · October 2018

Pro_Rata said:
Interesting nugget on the local news: a Windrush support body in Huddersfield estimating that 500 people in the town have suffered citizenship issues from the Windrush era. Black and Black British population of the town from census is a little above 6,500.

Scaling up to the UK as a whole, and making a little allowance for the fact that a campaign group estimate may be at the high end, that translates to somewhere around 50k people nationally, 5% or so of those who identify as Black, who might need cases looking at. Whatever, it seems that the several dozen or so wrongful deportations are very much the thin end of the wedge.

I suspect having given the Home Office a dozen attempts to get it right, they managed to get their "citizenship issues" sorted. not to say that didn't create a lot of worry, time, and cost, of course.

JosiasJessop · October 2018

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

That is a very interesting question, and IMV the chances are that it is such a fundamental change to the way things are that society would have developed, and be organised, in such a different manner as to be unrecognisable.

The chances are that gender prejudices would still exist in such a world, albeit in other forms.

Which poses another question: are prejudices in-built, or even necessary in basic human society? And if so, is it not important that a person has prejudices, but how they act in response to them?

geoffw · October 2018

Just the thing for hard working families.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6249745/John-McDonnell-says-Labour-bring-four-day-working-week.html

Cyclefree · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:
In my Irish family all the men (including my father) died young and all the women lived on for a further 30 years on average having a high old time. And not just in my parents' generation but for several generations before then.

And even in my mother's family, the women seemed to run everything, even when there were men still around. As a child they always seemed to me to be appendages rather than at the centre of things.

I am rather hoping, as the daughter of the eldest son, that I have inherited my Irish grandmother's constitution rather than my father's.
A lot of my friends are divorced women - I must be that sort of age ....

Men are those strange creatures on the periphery of our social circle, but they are very useful for lifting things or tinkering with oily stuff and spanners.

I wonder what they are really for?

If you ever find out, do tell.......

Mine is mostly useful for collecting junk and gadgets (filed under "Things Which Will Come in Useful One Day" but never do) which I then have to take to the recycling. I should have been warned when, during our courtship, on holiday in Ireland, he produced a gadget which, if plugged into the car would boil water so we could make some coffee. Given the time it took (not to mention the risk of pouring hot water over our feet while driving) it was undoubtedly quicker to drive anywhere on the island to buy a coffee.

But, despite that, reader, I still married him......

Cyclefree · October 2018

geoffw said:
Just the thing for hard working families.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6249745/John-McDonnell-says-Labour-bring-four-day-working-week.html

Depends on whether it comes with a four-day-working week salary or a five-day one and, if the latter, how that gets paid for.

Bromptonaut · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.

Most EV charging takes place at home. Don’t you have electricity then?

Sean_F · October 2018

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
If you do not stop making controversial posts like this Mr G, the workhouse nurse might take your internet access away. The decrepit elderly are only supposed to read the church magazine whilst mashing their gums together in protest at the Vicar's mishandling of the tea fund.

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please
If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

There are some examples. In Southern Italy, the Italian government carried out a major crackdown on the Camorra and N'dragheta after 2000, rounding up thousands of mobsters.. So, the mobsters' female relatives took up the killing, drug-trafficking, and extortion which their imprisoned male relatives could no longer carry out.

Some Polynesian societies were matriarchies, where lands and titles descended through the female line, because most males died violently at an early age.

In the absence of men, women will occupy positions that have previously been occupied by men, and act in the ways that men act.

CarlottaVance · October 2018

As Mr Meeks posted on the previous thread....

https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1049296910383763457

Perhaps Mrs May should stagger into the next Brussels meeting as a result of being drunk sciatica.....

Jonathan · October 2018

Bromptonaut said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Most EV charging takes place at home. Don’t you have electricity then?

Plug it into Selafield. Actually, that close you may not need to plug it in at all.

Beverley_C · October 2018

Sean_F said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
If you do not stop making controversial posts like this Mr G, the workhouse nurse might take your internet access away. The decrepit elderly are only supposed to read the church magazine whilst mashing their gums together in protest at the Vicar's mishandling of the tea fund.

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please
If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

There are some examples. In Southern Italy, the Italian government carried out a major crackdown on the Camorra and N'dragheta after 2000, rounding up thousands of mobsters.. So, the mobsters' female relatives took up the killing, drug-trafficking, and extortion which their imprisoned male relatives could no longer carry out.

Some Polynesian societies were matriarchies, where lands and titles descended through the female line, because most males died violently at an early age.

In the absence of men, women will occupy positions that have previously been occupied by men, and act in the ways that men act.

Interesting! Thank you

Morris_Dancer · October 2018

Women, nicer as leaders than men?

A questionable assumption. Consider the most famous British leaders: Boudicca, Elizabeth I, and Thatcher. Or the women at the time of the Diadochi era. Roxanne had her rival wives assassinated just in case they were pregnant (she was, and they were higher status). Olympias forced Adea to commit suicide, after the pair of them perhaps became the first to lead opposing armies (as women), although sentimentality (from the male soldiers) meant battle did not commence. Cratesipolis commanded armies in Greece.

Edited extra bit: as an aside, we don't actually know Cratesipolis' name. The word I used is her nickname (many were given at this time) which means something along the lines of 'sacker of cities'.

Edited extra bit 2: should've said 'widows' rather than 'wives'. Alexander's death kicked off the Diadochi era, and quite a lot of war.

rkrkrk · October 2018

Sean_F said:

That would imply a lead of about 17% for the Democrats in the House, overall, which conflicts with the rest of the polling.

It is plausible that the biggest swings are among moderates/moderate areas. Partisans are entrenched by Trump.

Ishmael_Z · October 2018

Morris_Dancer said:
Women, nicer as leaders than men?

A questionable assumption. Consider the most famous British leaders: Boudicca, Elizabeth I, and Thatcher. Or the women at the time of the Diadochi era. Roxanne had her rival wives assassinated just in case they were pregnant (she was, and they were higher status). Olympias forced Adea to commit suicide, after the pair of them perhaps became the first to lead opposing armies (as women), although sentimentality (from the male soldiers) meant battle did not commence. Cratesipolis commanded armies in Greece.

Edited extra bit: as an aside, we don't actually know Cratesipolis' name. The word I used is her nickname (many were given at this time) which means something along the lines of 'sacker of cities'.

Edited extra bit 2: should've said 'widows' rather than 'wives'. Alexander's death kicked off the Diadochi era, and quite a lot of war.

The two greatest counterfactuals in history: what if Alexander had gone West instead of East, and what if he had left a proper heir?

Cyclefree · October 2018

Bromptonaut said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Most EV charging takes place at home. Don’t you have electricity then?

Does it? How does that work in cities then when you cannot guarantee getting a parking place outside your home? The only electric cars I've seen charging in London have been at those charge points not from homes. Do people have long cables snaking out of their homes to the car?

Beverley_C · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:
In my Irish family all the men (including my father) died young and all the women lived on for a further 30 years on average having a high old time. And not just in my parents' generation but for several generations before then.

And even in my mother's family, the women seemed to run everything, even when there were men still around. As a child they always seemed to me to be appendages rather than at the centre of things.

I am rather hoping, as the daughter of the eldest son, that I have inherited my Irish grandmother's constitution rather than my father's.
A lot of my friends are divorced women - I must be that sort of age ....

Men are those strange creatures on the periphery of our social circle, but they are very useful for lifting things or tinkering with oily stuff and spanners.

I wonder what they are really for?
If you ever find out, do tell.......

Mine is mostly useful for collecting junk and gadgets (filed under "Things Which Will Come in Useful One Day" but never do) which I then have to take to the recycling. I should have been warned when, during our courtship, on holiday in Ireland, he produced a gadget which, if plugged into the car would boil water so we could make some coffee. Given the time it took (not to mention the risk of pouring hot water over our feet while driving) it was undoubtedly quicker to drive anywhere on the island to buy a coffee.

But, despite that, reader, I still married him......

Morris_Dancer · October 2018

Mr. Z, going west straight from the Balkans? Very unlikely given the history (not least Xenophon's handy guidebook-in-reverse). I suspect he would've beaten the Romans. At the stage they hadn't defeated the Tarentines and perhaps not the Samnites either.

A proper heir would've been interesting. The empire stretched, on modern boundaries, from Albania to the eastern border of Pakistan. Maintaining it would've been a challenge (although the Persians, with almost as much territory, had it for a few centuries).

Beverley_C · October 2018

Morris_Dancer said:
Women, nicer as leaders than men?

I never said "nicer" Mr Dancer. I am not that foolish...

Sean_F · October 2018

rkrkrk said:

Sean_F said:

That would imply a lead of about 17% for the Democrats in the House, overall, which conflicts with the rest of the polling.
It is plausible that the biggest swings are among moderates/moderate areas. Partisans are entrenched by Trump.

But, not to such an extent, in my view. A wing of 9% to the Democrats (which this poll implies) would give them a majority of 100+ in the House.

TheWhiteRabbit · October 2018

CarlottaVance said:
As Mr Meeks posted on the previous thread....

https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1049296910383763457

Perhaps Mrs May should stagger into the next Brussels meeting as a result of being drunk sciatica.....

Does Juncker try to work out the only thing that could make him less popular here?

rcs1000 · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.

Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?

Sean_F · October 2018

Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Z, going west straight from the Balkans? Very unlikely given the history (not least Xenophon's handy guidebook-in-reverse). I suspect he would've beaten the Romans. At the stage they hadn't defeated the Tarentines and perhaps not the Samnites either.

A proper heir would've been interesting. The empire stretched, on modern boundaries, from Albania to the eastern border of Pakistan. Maintaining it would've been a challenge (although the Persians, with almost as much territory, had it for a few centuries).

I doubt if he'd have been interested in Italy, other than the Greek cities in the South. He'd probably have aimed to conquer Sicily and Carthage.

Beverley_C · October 2018

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?

Nothing wrong at all, unless you have a 30 mile range and a 60 mile journey sort of thing ...

Pulpstar · October 2018

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?

What happens if you don't have a drive

?

Morris_Dancer · October 2018

Mr. F, Tarentum and Syracuse would've put him very close to Roman interests (the latter also close to Carthage), and Massilia would've placed him between the Gauls and Romans.

Cyclefree · October 2018

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?

I've never seen this done, not in London anyway. Unless you have a drive or off-street parking home charging is not feasible, is it?

Unless I'm missing something.....

Sean_F · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

Sean_F said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
I

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please
If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

There are some examples. In Southern Italy, the Italian government carried out a major crackdown on the Camorra and N'dragheta after 2000, rounding up thousands of mobsters.. So, the mobsters' female relatives took up the killing, drug-trafficking, and extortion which their imprisoned male relatives could no longer carry out.

Some Polynesian societies were matriarchies, where lands and titles descended through the female line, because most males died violently at an early age.

In the absence of men, women will occupy positions that have previously been occupied by men, and act in the ways that men act.
Interesting! Thank you

I read one article recently, that Italian police estimate there are about 150 women in positions of leadership in organised crime, in Southern Italy. I think it's interesting that in such a traditionalist society, protecting the interests of the "family" matter far more than maintaining traditional gender roles.

rkrkrk · October 2018

Sean_F said:

rkrkrk said:

Sean_F said:

That would imply a lead of about 17% for the Democrats in the House, overall, which conflicts with the rest of the polling.
It is plausible that the biggest swings are among moderates/moderate areas. Partisans are entrenched by Trump.
But, not to such an extent, in my view. A wing of 9% to the Democrats (which this poll implies) would give them a majority of 100+ in the House.

It only implies that if you think these places are representative and they were chosen not to be.
Trump crushed Clinton with independents in 2016 in key states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. We see from the polling his numbers are good with his party, so logically he is losing support among those independents...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/snaf.ivn.us/amp/news_articles/66b40975-c9b8-4fe5-9957-64ec5a587e92

logical_song · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?
I've never seen this done, not in London anyway. Unless you have a drive or off-street parking home charging is not feasible, is it?

Unless I'm missing something.....

Not many yet, but ....
https://www.zap-map.com/london-borough-switches-on-lamp-post-chargers/

AndyJS · October 2018

"Europe Elects
‏ @EuropeElects
3h3 hours ago

Italy, Demopolis poll:

LEGA-ENF: 33% (+1)
M5S-EFDD: 31% (+1)
PD-S&D: 17%
FI-EPP: 9%
FdI-*: 3%
LeU-S&D: 2%

Sample size: 1,500"

AndyJS · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?
I've never seen this done, not in London anyway. Unless you have a drive or off-street parking home charging is not feasible, is it?

Unless I'm missing something.....

A significant percentage of houses in Outer London have garages where a charge point could be installed. But you're right about inner London. Most people wouldn't be able to charge where they park unless they find a communal charge point.

Nigelb · October 2018

Morris_Dancer said:
FPT: Mrs C, I am not a historical anachronism! I'm the epitome of modernity. Why, this very year I acquired a mechanical calculator of cutting edge design (manufactured in 1948, designed in 1938).

The Curta ?
Popular with rally navigators in the '50s and '60s.

The inventor perfected his original design while interned in Buchenwald, which perhaps saved his life.

Pro_Rata · October 2018

rkrkrk said:

Sean_F said:

rkrkrk said:

Sean_F said:

That would imply a lead of about 17% for the Democrats in the House, overall, which conflicts with the rest of the polling.
It is plausible that the biggest swings are among moderates/moderate areas. Partisans are entrenched by Trump.
But, not to such an extent, in my view. A wing of 9% to the Democrats (which this poll implies) would give them a majority of 100+ in the House.
It only implies that if you think these places are representative and they were chosen not to be.
Trump crushed Clinton with independents in 2016 in key states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. We see from the polling his numbers are good with his party, so logically he is losing support among those independents...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/snaf.ivn.us/amp/news_articles/66b40975-c9b8-4fe5-9957-64ec5a587e92

The implication must be that the states up for Senate election are unrepresentative, IN TERMS OF SWING, I guess in an estimation that at least some of Trump's rust belt strength will endure from 2016.

Senate swing has a base point reference to 2012 whilst House has a base point reference of 2016. However, combined House swing between 2012 -> 2016 is a mere 1.15% to the Republicans between the two dates, so the base point references aren't hugely different. (For comparison, the other prominent 2012 -> 2016 swing, that of the Presidential election, was just 0.9% to Republican).

TOPPING · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?
I've never seen this done, not in London anyway. Unless you have a drive or off-street parking home charging is not feasible, is it?

Unless I'm missing something.....

It is done in London; I've seen it, albeit on quiet residential roads - big lead heading out from the house to the car, yellow box over it to prevent people or foxes kicking/messing/chewing it. But it does look exposed. Not that anyone could really do anything but it feels exposed.

Again, super not practical or at least much more complicated if you are in shared living eg tower block, flats, etc.

Cyclefree · October 2018

TOPPING said:

Cyclefree said:

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?
I've never seen this done, not in London anyway. Unless you have a drive or off-street parking home charging is not feasible, is it?

Unless I'm missing something.....
It is done in London; I've seen it, albeit on quiet residential roads - big lead heading out from the house to the car, yellow box over it to prevent people or foxes kicking/messing/chewing it. But it does look exposed. Not that anyone could really do anything but it feels exposed.

Again, super not practical or at least much more complicated if you are in shared living eg tower block, flats, etc.

And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.

AndyJS · October 2018

"How Crazy Is It That The Senate and House Might Move In Opposite Directions This Year?
It’s weird. But it’s not unprecedented."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-crazy-is-it-that-the-senate-and-house-might-move-in-opposite-directions-this-year/

Morris_Dancer · October 2018

Mr. B, yes, though the account I read (admittedly Wikipedia) was that he just reproduced the design. Unless that's a reference to MkII.

I was unaware rally chaps used them. I knew engineers and maybe architects did.

Blogged about it a couple of months ago, for those interested: http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-curta-mechanical-calculator.html

felix · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

Bromptonaut said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Most EV charging takes place at home. Don’t you have electricity then?
Does it? How does that work in cities then when you cannot guarantee getting a parking place outside your home? The only electric cars I've seen charging in London have been at those charge points not from homes. Do people have long cables snaking out of their homes to the car?

It was a singularly ignorant comment - not even worth the dignity of a response.

RobD · October 2018

Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. B, yes, though the account I read (admittedly Wikipedia) was that he just reproduced the design. Unless that's a reference to MkII.

I was unaware rally chaps used them. I knew engineers and maybe architects did.

Blogged about it a couple of months ago, for those interested: http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-curta-mechanical-calculator.html

You might enjoy this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kd3R_RlXgc

TOPPING · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

TOPPING said:

Cyclefree said:

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?
I've never seen this done, not in London anyway. Unless you have a drive or off-street parking home charging is not feasible, is it?

Unless I'm missing something.....
It is done in London; I've seen it, albeit on quiet residential roads - big lead heading out from the house to the car, yellow box over it to prevent people or foxes kicking/messing/chewing it. But it does look exposed. Not that anyone could really do anything but it feels exposed.

Again, super not practical or at least much more complicated if you are in shared living eg tower block, flats, etc.
And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.

Agree completely. And there is nowhere in London where some yoot definitely won't think it funny to mess around with the lead.

Freggles · October 2018

Nice

Pulpstar · October 2018

Cyclefree said:

And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.

I think the simple and stark truth is that around a third of UK dwelling stock is simply unsuited to electric vehicle ownership.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/6748/2173483.pdf
Perhaps lamp-posts such as those around around Kensington are a solution. But there is no chance they'll go up quickly everywhere with all the other demands on councils.
I used to live in Netheredge in Sheffield, which was perfectly pleasent but this abode is typicalish of the area with no practical way to charge an electric vehicle here as of yet.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-56952639.html
I think our general dwelling stock compares very unfavourably with the USA for instance when it comes to suitability for electric vehicles due to lack of driveways and garages.

tpfkar · October 2018

AndyJS said:

Cyclefree said:

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.
For the avoidance of doubt Mr Dancer, we require you to declare that, as a historical anachronism, you do not possess a car and travel everywhere on a palanquin carried on the shoulders of six eunuchs.
According to the map of electric charging points in the UK, the nearest one to us in Cumbria is 12 miles away, over some steep hills and fells. There are 2, both 12 miles away. Of these one has problems (as reported on the map today).

So if people really want all petrol and diesel cars to stop being needed then a great deal more investment in electric charging points is going to be needed all over the country and not just in cities, together with cars with a better reliable range and an ability to charge quickly.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?
I've never seen this done, not in London anyway. Unless you have a drive or off-street parking home charging is not feasible, is it?

Unless I'm missing something.....
A significant percentage of houses in Outer London have garages where a charge point could be installed. But you're right about inner London. Most people wouldn't be able to charge where they park unless they find a communal charge point.

We're going big on this in Milton Keynes. Charge Points springing up over the city, electric vehicles only allowed to park in the relevant spaces. Electric vehicles exempt from city centre parking charges. Government funding to roll out more charge points. And most homes with electric vehicles have home charging installed.

However it's taken plenty of effort to get here, and our structure (urban, most estates having a single local centre, plenty of parking spaces) is probably ideal to make this work, far better than a rural or over-congested area. The real blowback has been in reserving parking spaces near schools for electric vehicles only.

felix · October 2018

TOPPING said:

Cyclefree said:

TOPPING said:

Cyclefree said:

rcs1000 said:

Cyclefree said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Cyclefree, honestly. Next you'll be opposing the proposed Logan's Run Act.

Edited extra bit: also, good afternoon, everyone.

The idea that the old should be confined to their homes and criticised for wanting a decent life is pretty repulsive. We should be making it easier for the older to continue contributing in lots of different ways for as long as possible not narrowing their horizons, physical or mental.
Ummm... What's wrong with charging your car at home?
I've never seen this done, not in London anyway. Unless you have a drive or off-street parking home charging is not feasible, is it?

Unless I'm missing something.....
It is done in London; I've seen it, albeit on quiet residential roads - big lead heading out from the house to the car, yellow box over it to prevent people or foxes kicking/messing/chewing it. But it does look exposed. Not that anyone could really do anything but it feels exposed.

Again, super not practical or at least much more complicated if you are in shared living eg tower block, flats, etc.
And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
Agree completely. And there is nowhere in London where some yoot definitely won't think it funny to mess around with the lead.
The truth is that all electric cars are nowhere near ready for the mass motoring market - in terms of power, practicality or cost. It is also true that the attack on petrol/diesel cars has become absurdly political with some of the environmental concerns massively over-hyped. I believe there may be scope for hydrogen powered cars that are more reliable and less polluting that should be at least considered before the rush to an electric solution which remains a long way off.

SandyRentool · October 2018

Freggles said:
Nice

Ah, it's the name your favourite biscuit thread.

Plain chocolate digestive.

AlastairMeeks · October 2018

SandyRentool said:

Freggles said:
Nice
Ah, it's the name your favourite biscuit thread.

Plain chocolate digestive.

The pb biscuit of choice is the bourbon. They have learned nothing and they have forgotten nothing.

Beverley_C · October 2018

Cyclefree said:
And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.

I did read of one interesting idea which stated that for a fully green wind/tide powered economy, electric cars were necessary to act as a reservoir of charge.

The idea is that the income from wind fluctuates and needs "smoothing" and storage. So your car has a giant battery that you drive around on until it is nearly flat and then you go to the "petrol station". A flap opens, your battery slides out and another (fully charged) slides in and you pay for the charge. Your old one goes into a charging bank and stores power coming off the grid. If all the batteries are full, the grid can draw power from them.

From the consumers point of view, the attractive thing is that the current behaviour is maintained and no need for charging points. Just go and fill up...

rcs1000 · October 2018

Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.

Beverley_C · October 2018

Sean_F said:

Beverley_C said:

Sean_F said:

Beverley_C said:
FPT:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Beverley_C said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

matt said:

Perhaps you should be asking yourself the question why you have a car at all. The entitlement culture is strong in the elderly.
I have just seen your post. Are you real or do you live in London
I

Ageism is the last bastion of prejudice. It is a very interesting one though, because it is one of the few "isms" that generally gets less intense as the prejudiced individual gets older
On that basis, I wonder how society would turn out if humans were like Swordtail fish?
It sounds a very interesting analogy? Could you explain please
If all the males are removed from a tank of swordtails, the oldest females turn male. Other fish can do this too (Rock Bass, IIRC, has one male per school)

What would the position of women in society be like if some of the older males (who usually run things in patriarchal societies) had formerly spent a large portion of their lives as female?

Would women's position in society be less inferior? Would those who transformed grasp Male Privilege with both hands and, like Borgia, "... now that we have the Papacy we mean to enjoy it..."? What would happen in places like Rwanda where half the male population died and women now enjoy a more balanced public life whilst still struggling with the same old prejudicies in their personal and family life.

There are some examples. In Southern Italy, the Italian government carried out a major crackdown on the Camorra and N'dragheta after 2000, rounding up thousands of mobsters.. So, the mobsters' female relatives took up the killing, drug-trafficking, and extortion which their imprisoned male relatives could no longer carry out.

Some Polynesian societies were matriarchies, where lands and titles descended through the female line, because most males died violently at an early age.

In the absence of men, women will occupy positions that have previously been occupied by men, and act in the ways that men act.
Interesting! Thank you
I read one article recently, that Italian police estimate there are about 150 women in positions of leadership in organised crime, in Southern Italy. I think it's interesting that in such a traditionalist society, protecting the interests of the "family" matter far more than maintaining traditional gender roles.

No one likes letting the family business slide.....

Beverley_C · October 2018

rcs1000 said:
Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.

You will be predicting a computer in every home next

Beverley_C · October 2018

AlastairMeeks said:

SandyRentool said:

Freggles said:
Nice
Ah, it's the name your favourite biscuit thread.

Plain chocolate digestive.
The pb biscuit of choice is the bourbon. They have learned nothing and they have forgotten nothing.

Do the French get royalties

on the biscuits?

Morris_Dancer · October 2018

Mr. D, that was a fancy calculating machine. The Curta can do divisions too, also by successive subtraction, but you have to do it by hand.

Edited extra bit: Mr. Meeks, surely those in favour of the Treaty of Rome approve of a garibaldi?

Edited extra bit 2: corrected some typos etc.

Fenman · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

rcs1000 said:
Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.
You will be predicting a computer in every home next

What interests me is how governments will compensate for the loss of revenue.

Freggles · October 2018

Fenman said:

Beverley_C said:

rcs1000 said:
Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.
You will be predicting a computer in every home next
What interests me is how governments will compensate for the loss of revenue.

Less spending on treating asthma, COPD, etc will take the edge off but the benefit will emerge gradually.

llef · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

rcs1000 said:
Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.
You will be predicting a computer in every home next

This article from the national grid gives a good insight regarding the infrastructure problems of charging your car from home, (or from charge points down every street available to everyone to charge at the same time).

Basically, homes can't handle the demands of fast-chargers, and neither can local electricity sub-stations. So the article sees a future of fast-charging forecourts, similar to the petrol stations of today.

http://fes.nationalgrid.com/media/1281/forecourt-thoughts-v12.pdf

MikeSmithson · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

rcs1000 said:
Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.
You will be predicting a computer in every home next

Running an electric car and using public charge points can be expensive - sometimes £8 a time. Assuming that gives you 100 miles it is probably not that much cheaper than the petrol for a my Toyota Auris Hybrid which does 60+ MPG

JosiasJessop · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:
And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
I did read of one interesting idea which stated that for a fully green wind/tide powered economy, electric cars were necessary to act as a reservoir of charge.

The idea is that the income from wind fluctuates and needs "smoothing" and storage. So your car has a giant battery that you drive around on until it is nearly flat and then you go to the "petrol station". A flap opens, your battery slides out and another (fully charged) slides in and you pay for the charge. Your old one goes into a charging bank and stores power coming off the grid. If all the batteries are full, the grid can draw power from them.

From the consumers point of view, the attractive thing is that the current behaviour is maintained and no need for charging points. Just go and fill up...

Tesla were looking into the automated battery swap tech, but they appear to have abandoned it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY

They also had a snake-recharger that was quite odd-looking.

There's another interesting area, and that is inductive recharging. Amongst others, Qualcomm have been working on inductive charging of cars, which means the charging infrastructure can be below a parking space and a car can be charged without wires. Instinctively I'd say that power losses would be very large, but people I know say otherwise:

https://www.qualcomm.com/solutions/automotive/wevc

logical_song · October 2018

Pulpstar said:

Cyclefree said:

And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
I think the simple and stark truth is that around a third of UK dwelling stock is simply unsuited to electric vehicle ownership.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/6748/2173483.pdf
Perhaps lamp-posts such as those around around Kensington are a solution. But there is no chance they'll go up quickly everywhere with all the other demands on councils.
I used to live in Netheredge in Sheffield, which was perfectly pleasent but this abode is typicalish of the area with no practical way to charge an electric vehicle here as of yet.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-56952639.html
I think our general dwelling stock compares very unfavourably with the USA for instance when it comes to suitability for electric vehicles due to lack of driveways and garages.

Is that a London-centric problem? Out in the sticks there are a lot of houses with garages and/or drives.

TheWhiteRabbit · October 2018

logical_song said:

Pulpstar said:

Cyclefree said:

And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
I think the simple and stark truth is that around a third of UK dwelling stock is simply unsuited to electric vehicle ownership.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/6748/2173483.pdf
Perhaps lamp-posts such as those around around Kensington are a solution. But there is no chance they'll go up quickly everywhere with all the other demands on councils.
I used to live in Netheredge in Sheffield, which was perfectly pleasent but this abode is typicalish of the area with no practical way to charge an electric vehicle here as of yet.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-56952639.html
I think our general dwelling stock compares very unfavourably with the USA for instance when it comes to suitability for electric vehicles due to lack of driveways and garages.
Is that a London-centric problem? Out in the sticks there are a lot of houses with garages and/or drives.

but equally supply costs will be greater, and roll-outs more difficult

Pulpstar · October 2018

logical_song said:

Pulpstar said:

Cyclefree said:

And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
I think the simple and stark truth is that around a third of UK dwelling stock is simply unsuited to electric vehicle ownership.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/6748/2173483.pdf
Perhaps lamp-posts such as those around around Kensington are a solution. But there is no chance they'll go up quickly everywhere with all the other demands on councils.
I used to live in Netheredge in Sheffield, which was perfectly pleasent but this abode is typicalish of the area with no practical way to charge an electric vehicle here as of yet.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-56952639.html
I think our general dwelling stock compares very unfavourably with the USA for instance when it comes to suitability for electric vehicles due to lack of driveways and garages.
Is that a London-centric problem? Out in the sticks there are a lot of houses with garages and/or drives.

I'd say it was a city problem generally rather than a London issue.

TheWhiteRabbit · October 2018

JosiasJessop said:

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:
And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
I did read of one interesting idea which stated that for a fully green wind/tide powered economy, electric cars were necessary to act as a reservoir of charge.

The idea is that the income from wind fluctuates and needs "smoothing" and storage. So your car has a giant battery that you drive around on until it is nearly flat and then you go to the "petrol station". A flap opens, your battery slides out and another (fully charged) slides in and you pay for the charge. Your old one goes into a charging bank and stores power coming off the grid. If all the batteries are full, the grid can draw power from them.

From the consumers point of view, the attractive thing is that the current behaviour is maintained and no need for charging points. Just go and fill up...
Tesla were looking into the automated battery swap tech, but they appear to have abandoned it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY

They also had a snake-recharger that was quite odd-looking.

There's another interesting area, and that is inductive recharging. Amongst others, Qualcomm have been working on inductive charging of cars, which means the charging infrastructure can be below a parking space and a car can be charged without wires. Instinctively I'd say that power losses would be very large, but people I know say otherwise:

https://www.qualcomm.com/solutions/automotive/wevc

We've been working on wireless charging for a hundred years, and we've got to mobile-phone-on-desk level. I think it'll be a while yet...

JosiasJessop · October 2018

And the snake charger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI

No sniggering at the back, lads ...

Beverley_C · October 2018

MikeSmithson said:

Beverley_C said:

rcs1000 said:
Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.
You will be predicting a computer in every home next
Running an electric car and using public charge points can be expensive - sometimes £8 a time. Assuming that gives you 100 miles it is probably not that much cheaper than the petrol for a my Toyota Auris Hybrid which does 60+ MPG

My car is still a 100% petrol engine. I fill it up about once a month. It may not do 60 mpg but I rarely drive 60 miles anywhere.

JosiasJessop · October 2018

TheWhiteRabbit said:

JosiasJessop said:

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:
And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
I did read of one interesting idea which stated that for a fully green wind/tide powered economy, electric cars were necessary to act as a reservoir of charge.

The idea is that the income from wind fluctuates and needs "smoothing" and storage. So your car has a giant battery that you drive around on until it is nearly flat and then you go to the "petrol station". A flap opens, your battery slides out and another (fully charged) slides in and you pay for the charge. Your old one goes into a charging bank and stores power coming off the grid. If all the batteries are full, the grid can draw power from them.

From the consumers point of view, the attractive thing is that the current behaviour is maintained and no need for charging points. Just go and fill up...
Tesla were looking into the automated battery swap tech, but they appear to have abandoned it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY

They also had a snake-recharger that was quite odd-looking.

There's another interesting area, and that is inductive recharging. Amongst others, Qualcomm have been working on inductive charging of cars, which means the charging infrastructure can be below a parking space and a car can be charged without wires. Instinctively I'd say that power losses would be very large, but people I know say otherwise:

https://www.qualcomm.com/solutions/automotive/wevc
We've been working on wireless charging for a hundred years, and we've got to mobile-phone-on-desk level. I think it'll be a while yet...

P'haps. Then again, before the rise of mobile phones we didn't really have devices that *needed* to be charged in such a manner - most devices were relatively immobile and could be mains-fed. As there is now such a need, lots of research is being put into it where it was mostly ignored before. I can sorta see how they can get around the issues with induction, but it's blooming complex.

The same can be said for battery tech, which was moving slowly before the mobile revolution. It's sped up, but still moving slowly ...

Gallowgate · October 2018

The batteries are distributed throughout the floor of the whole car. There’s no way, using existing battery technology, of having swapable batteries.

You would also need to maintain one common standard. It would be a nightmare.

williamglenn · October 2018

Beverley_C said:

rcs1000 said:
Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.
You will be predicting a computer in every home next

If only Bill Gates had the foresight to predict a computer in every pocket...

YBarddCwsc · October 2018

AlastairMeeks said:
As I have pointed out regularly, a remarkable number of Leavers are utterly reckless:

https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1049248523630387201

How reckless to think of breaking up the country!

And completely different from a bawling Remainer who proposed London Independence in a famous online tantrum after the Referendum, then.

How is the London Independence Party coming on?

AlastairMeeks · October 2018

YBarddCwsc said:

AlastairMeeks said:
As I have pointed out regularly, a remarkable number of Leavers are utterly reckless:

https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1049248523630387201
How reckless to think of breaking up the country!

And completely different from a bawling Remainer who proposed London Independence in a famous online tantrum after the Referendum, then.

How is the London Independence Party coming on?

London will not indefinitely bankroll reactionary spongers. So I suggest that instead of insulting the bit of the country that props up their prejudices, the craziest Leavers have a good long think about how they're going to reach an accommodation with it.

HYUFD · October 2018

A 9.5% swing to the Democrats in these key districts should see them take House easily and suggests they are doing even better in the marginal districts than nationally where they lead by about 7%

TheWhiteRabbit · October 2018

JosiasJessop said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

JosiasJessop said:

Beverley_C said:

Cyclefree said:
And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
I did read of one interesting idea which stated that for a fully green wind/tide powered economy, electric cars were necessary to act as a reservoir of charge.

The idea is that the income from wind fluctuates and needs "smoothing" and storage. So your car has a giant battery that you drive around on until it is nearly flat and then you go to the "petrol station". A flap opens, your battery slides out and another (fully charged) slides in and you pay for the charge. Your old one goes into a charging bank and stores power coming off the grid. If all the batteries are full, the grid can draw power from them.

From the consumers point of view, the attractive thing is that the current behaviour is maintained and no need for charging points. Just go and fill up...
Tesla were looking into the automated battery swap tech, but they appear to have abandoned it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY

They also had a snake-recharger that was quite odd-looking.

There's another interesting area, and that is inductive recharging. Amongst others, Qualcomm have been working on inductive charging of cars, which means the charging infrastructure can be below a parking space and a car can be charged without wires. Instinctively I'd say that power losses would be very large, but people I know say otherwise:

https://www.qualcomm.com/solutions/automotive/wevc
We've been working on wireless charging for a hundred years, and we've got to mobile-phone-on-desk level. I think it'll be a while yet...
P'haps. Then again, before the rise of mobile phones we didn't really have devices that *needed* to be charged in such a manner - most devices were relatively immobile and could be mains-fed. As there is now such a need, lots of research is being put into it where it was mostly ignored before. I can sorta see how they can get around the issues with induction, but it's blooming complex.

The same can be said for battery tech, which was moving slowly before the mobile revolution. It's sped up, but still moving slowly ...

Wireless charging cars will equally be a luxury before it is a necessity, though. I do think that the electric car, charging, etc, will come on leaps and bounds.

logical_song · October 2018

Gallowgate said:
The batteries are distributed throughout the floor of the whole car. There’s no way, using existing battery technology, of having swapable batteries.

You would also need to maintain one common standard. It would be a nightmare.

Of course it could be done, easier for lorries though.
I suspect it won't come to that, when you can get 500 miles on a charge and when charging is much quicker it won't be as much of a problem.

YBarddCwsc · October 2018

AlastairMeeks said:

YBarddCwsc said:

AlastairMeeks said:
As I have pointed out regularly, a remarkable number of Leavers are utterly reckless:

https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1049248523630387201
How reckless to think of breaking up the country!

And completely different from a bawling Remainer who proposed London Independence in a famous online tantrum after the Referendum, then.

How is the London Independence Party coming on?
London will not indefinitely bankroll reactionary spongers. So I suggest that instead of insulting the bit of the country that props up their prejudices, the craziest Leavers have a good long think about how they're going to reach an accommodation with it.

When I have insulted London?

I merely pointed out the inconsistency of your argument.

logical_song · October 2018

TheWhiteRabbit said:

logical_song said:

Pulpstar said:

Cyclefree said:

And assumes that you can park outside your house when your car needs charging. In my part of London, getting a parking space anywhere on the street counts as a triumph.

These may be relatively minor issues but until charging your electric car is as easy and quick as it now is to go to a petrol station and fill up it is IMO going to be harder than it might be to persuade people to make the switch.
I think the simple and stark truth is that around a third of UK dwelling stock is simply unsuited to electric vehicle ownership.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/6748/2173483.pdf
Perhaps lamp-posts such as those around around Kensington are a solution. But there is no chance they'll go up quickly everywhere with all the other demands on councils.
I used to live in Netheredge in Sheffield, which was perfectly pleasent but this abode is typicalish of the area with no practical way to charge an electric vehicle here as of yet.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-56952639.html
I think our general dwelling stock compares very unfavourably with the USA for instance when it comes to suitability for electric vehicles due to lack of driveways and garages.
Is that a London-centric problem? Out in the sticks there are a lot of houses with garages and/or drives.
but equally supply costs will be greater, and roll-outs more difficult

Why - electricity isn't any more expensive? In what way 'more difficult'?

Beverley_C · October 2018

williamglenn said:

Beverley_C said:

rcs1000 said:
Re electrical charging points.

We have electrical cables running down every single street in London. It is barely any more difficult to install an electrical charge point than a parking meter.

Over the next 25 years, every urban street will be filled, end-to-end, with electrical charge points. Every supermarket parking space will have one. Every multistory or office car park.
You will be predicting a computer in every home next
If only Bill Gates had the foresight to predict a computer in every pocket...

Like that would ever happen

- Posted from my SmartWatch

logical_song · October 2018

The guy who played 'Kryten' in Red Dwarf runs an interested electric car Youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/fullychargedshow

Big_G_NorthWales · October 2018

I see my post on climate change on the last thread and the responses has become a topic of conversation on this thread.

While I thought the response to my post from Matt was absurd and could only come from a Londoner the discussion has broadened out somewhat and is very interesting

The wide scale acceptance outside the Metropolitan areas requires a huge price fall and massive increase in the range. Also charging needs to be as quick as filling the tank now.

In addition someone has going to have to explain how the Treasury replaces the huge income from fuel duty and the cost and time scale when 100% EV are on our roads when they presently account for 2%

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