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At Deltapoll, we asked Leave voters in Britain to choose between leaving the #EU and peace in #NorthernIreland. Nearly 6 out of 10 said the UK leaving the EU was more important. #Brexit pic.twitter.com/0FqMJAJZgN
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NOW we know?
No amount of dressing it up can change the fact that, in this poll, a majority of leavers profess they would be ready to sacrifice peace in NI.
Sadly, people are ignorant about Irish politics. They have either forgotten the troubles, or they don't understand the history.
In fact, she overestimates so many people, so often, it looks like a serious character flaw.
The divisions in Scotland are primarily Unionist v Nationalist, the divisions in Northern Ireland Protestant Unionist v Catholic Nationalist, Brexit has made no difference to that at all. Devomax is more important to most Scots than reversing the Brexit vote and any move for NI to join the Republic will come if it gains a Catholic majority, again not because of Brexit and even then the majority Protestant counties will insist on staying in the UK
These questions are along the lines of "when did you last stop beating your wife?" The best response is not to respond.
Labour must be extremely relieved that no one outside us junkies is paying any attention as it is hot and summer holidays.
Well, it *is* okay to accuse Israel of attempted genocide isn't it? Countries get accused of attempted or successful genocide all the time.
Or understands the centuries of history of Irish nationalism. I'm sure we don't have to explain the significance of Padraig Pearse's GPO declaration to you now, do we Richard?
Superb!
To be clear on today's Trump admin sanctions on #Russia for #Skripal poisoning:
- They are mandated under the 1991 Chemical & Biological Weapons Control & Warfare Elimination Act for chemical weapons use.
- WH blew past the law's 60-day deadline by a month.
The law mandates a second, more Draconian round of sanctions unless:
-Russia assures the US it is no longer using chemical or biological weapons
-Russia allows onsite inspectors to ensure the government is not using chem/bio weapons
That second round could include:
- Ending flights to US by Russian national carrier Aeroflot
- Banning all/most Russian imports/exports with US
- cutting off diplomatic relations
Russia now has 90 days to comply.
**90 days from today is Election Day**
My grandparents generation lived through a war where people weren't just prepared to have a small conflict in a small part of the country to secure our rights. They were prepared to sacrifice their lives and peace across the globe to fight for our rights. We forget that at our peril.
Democracy is more important than Brexit. It is more important than peace.
Put it another way had we voted narrowly to remain and then UKIP turned into a terrorist organisation and started a bombing campaign to get us to leave ... would you have considered remaining as we had voted to do more important or less important than avoiding a conflict? Would you be prepared to give a hypothetical terrorist Farage by bombs and bullets what he failed to get at the ballot box?
We were told by the stronger In campaign to vote remain to avoid chaos.
Actually, it's more like Anti Semites to the left, Islamophobes to the right. Or is it xenophobic, racist little Englanders to the right, socialist, jew baiting cultists to the left, pious, smug liberal tossers in the middle?
So difficult to know what insults to throw at people now, there are so many worthy of insulting.
I mean there was an ok PB thread header on this a short while ago.
*blushes*
It also had a 7% lead for leave with a deal or leave with no deal over Remain
https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-10th-july-2018-2/
A number of appalling Islamic terrorist atrocities occurred during the referendum campaign. Sadly there were Leavers on here and elsewhere practically salivating over how that would be ‘great for Leave’ in the forthcoming polls. So that rings hollow.
I don't think it is (a hard border, the inevitable consequence of us leaving the SM/CU) but they're going to have to get pretty creative around the solution if there isn't to be one.
I haven't read the question for the poll, but I don't think reducing it to "criminals" will aid peoples' understanding.
And also, very interestingly and well stated, @Johnito described the reality of situation well in his post in response to that header. Now, this is also not to say that because we can't police it any more we should accept it, but them's the facts on the ground and it's not just the Crown Forces strength that has changed.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/1996327#Comment_1996327
I've made this point dozens of times. It has always been ignored by those trying to pretend that somehow tariffs and/or regulatory differences would somehow spontaneously cause border posts to spring out of the bogs, despite the fact that not a single human on this earth wants them.
They are sensible to ignore the point, of course - because it is incontrovertible.
Soon the Pound will be worth tuppence
They occurred during the 2017 Genral Election. So your post is wank.
The only attack during the Referendum camapign was the killing of Jo Cox.
A good time to buy shares.
But the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli government is terrible and nuanced and lots of people are going to go "does this mean we can't criticise Israel at all? That's not right" if you start attacking people for criticing Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.
Stick to the clear as day vile antisemitism, don't drag Israeli government actions into the mix.
Accusing Israel of "genocide against the Palestinians" certainly is not, unless it also triggers some of the other definitions too.
If accusing Israel of genocide were prima facie antisemitic, would make it effectively impossible to criticise Israel even if it were doing a genocide. That's obviously not desirable.
McDonnell is walking a dangerous line here, but unlike Corbyn he's smart enough to remain on the plausible deniability side.
Leaving the EU with no deal – this will mean:
• it will be more difficult and more expensive to trade with countries in the EU
• the UK will be able to agree new trade deals with non-EU countries
• the UK will not be subject to any EU regulations.
• the UK will have control over immigration from EU countries and British citizens' right to live in EU countries will be limited
“I do think that a blind eye has been turned for some time for the sake of not wanting to rock the boat but I think in the long term the existence and the entrenchment of these actors in Northern Ireland is deeply problematic also to the peace process,”
https://irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/hard-brexit-will-lead-to-surge-in-cross-border-smuggling-says-report-1.3359154
But, I take the point that the more explanation that's required, the more a poll result should be treated with caution.
Polls are best for answering simple questions, not complex ones.
Or Germany's 7.7% youth unemployment rate compared to the UK's 15.4%
Or maybe we could have the Eurozone's 2.8% GDP growth rate rather than the UK's pitiable 1.2%?
Should be proceed with Brexit along the lines we wish as a nation or be blackmailed by terrorists into doing something else? Because that is the implication of the Brexit with a customs border vs peace in Ireland as being two alternatives.
However, realistically, what are the hard men going to do? Continue smuggling high-value, high-profit, easily sellable items like booze, fags, and fuel, or branch out into chlorinated chickens worth next to nothing, or into obscure machine parts which are easily traceable and which can only be sold to big companies?
One does have to exercise a modicum of common sense in this debate.
UK is placed into special measures and is run by Goldman Sachs.
France, Italy and Spain all have higher unemployment and lower GDP per capita than the UK does. Only Germany of the major Eurozone nations has lower unemployment and higher gdp per capita than the UK does
Interesting though that after McDonnell’s intervention, which was implicitly critical of Corbyn, all this stuff comes out about what McDonnell has said and done. There’s some backstabbing going on, I think. Do they? Genocide has a very specific meaning. See the relevant international law on this. Israel can be criticised for its treatment of the Palestinians within the Occupied Territories but it is not committing genocide on any interpretation of the term, let alone legally. Using such overheated language is all part of a concerted campaign to justify Israel’s destruction.
Canada Vs Saudi
Ferals Vs Letterboxes
The culture wars are truly upon us
Anyone wanting to formalise the inspection process at that entry point (and not before), then much more of an issue.
I of course have no idea how, where, or when eg. phytosanitary checks are performed. Please don't tell me we don't have an expert on PB to tell us.
The problem has been for some time that the English are obsessed with leaving not just the EU but also the single market/customs union and making trade deals with the rest of the world, without really thinking through the consequences of this for Ireland.