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Justine Greening into 12/1 second favourite to win the 2020 London Mayoral election.Sadiq Khan still hot favourite to be re-elected. pic.twitter.com/L79o9zTsZI
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First, like Leave.0
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Hate preacher Anjem Choudary who inspired London Bridge killer Khuram Butt is among 80 convicted terrorists due for release onto Britain's streets by the end of year
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5802745/Surge-extremists-freed-Britains-streets.html0 -
Good tactic, we need an opposition voice in London so having a mayoral candidate this early will give us one.0
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Who gets to vote?
I have backed Shaun Bailey at fancy prices but I doubt he will make it.0 -
From the point of view of a long-standing Labour activist in London I think Khan's reselection as Labour candidate and subsequent reelection as mayor is the closest you can get to political dead certs in these febrile times.
I cannot see how the Tories can reverse their decline in London in the next two years and the voting system favours Khan as he will pick up most of the second preferences from Greens and Lib Dems.0 -
Greening might fancy a return to Cabinet in near future (May didn't actually want her to go) so being Mayoral candidate so far in advance might rule her out for that.0
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Yes agree. No reason why she shouldn't reappear in some post-May or even May-lead administration.houndtang said:Greening might fancy a return to Cabinet in near future (May didn't actually want her to go) so being Mayoral candidate so far in advance might rule her out for that.
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Greening would create an interesting by-election0
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The only thing holding his price up is the prospect of him returning to Westminster - something that was mildly rumoured as part of Heidi's Alexander's move the other way.anothernick said:From the point of view of a long-standing Labour activist in London I think Khan's reselection as Labour candidate and subsequent reelection as mayor is the closest you can get to political dead certs in these febrile times.
I cannot see how the Tories can reverse their decline in London in the next two years and the voting system favours Khan as he will pick up most of the second preferences from Greens and Lib Dems.0 -
Well, only if she wins, in which case the by-election probably wouldn't be *that* interesting.Pulpstar said:Greening would create an interesting by-election
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Indeed, if Greening managed to win it would be as part of a blue wave. I don't see it, though one can hope!Tissue_Price said:
Well, only if she wins, in which case the by-election probably wouldn't be *that* interesting.Pulpstar said:Greening would create an interesting by-election
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Ah yes, the Tories would romp home in Putney if she was elected mayorTissue_Price said:
Well, only if she wins, in which case the by-election probably wouldn't be *that* interesting.Pulpstar said:Greening would create an interesting by-election
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So backing Khan and covering Heidi Alexander might be a good strategy? Hard to imagine the Labour candidate being neither of them.Tissue_Price said:
The only thing holding his price up is the prospect of him returning to Westminster - something that was mildly rumoured as part of Heidi's Alexander's move the other way.anothernick said:From the point of view of a long-standing Labour activist in London I think Khan's reselection as Labour candidate and subsequent reelection as mayor is the closest you can get to political dead certs in these febrile times.
I cannot see how the Tories can reverse their decline in London in the next two years and the voting system favours Khan as he will pick up most of the second preferences from Greens and Lib Dems.
The Tory candidate next time will likely be up against the triple whammy of Heathrow policy, Brexit policy and austerity policy, all with the national party firmly at odds with the mood of significant sections of the London electorate. It will take either an 'unlikely Tory' figure or someone willing to condemn the national party repeatedly and make life even more awkward for Theresa and co, to break through. Not hard to see why major players would decide to sit this one out.0 -
That would be procedurally very difficult in the Labour Party and would IMO be unlikely to endear him to the membership. He would need to get the NEC to engineer it for him and I see no reason to think that he will seek that, or that the NEC would be willing to do it if he did seek it.Tissue_Price said:
The only thing holding his price up is the prospect of him returning to Westminster - something that was mildly rumoured as part of Heidi's Alexander's move the other way.anothernick said:From the point of view of a long-standing Labour activist in London I think Khan's reselection as Labour candidate and subsequent reelection as mayor is the closest you can get to political dead certs in these febrile times.
I cannot see how the Tories can reverse their decline in London in the next two years and the voting system favours Khan as he will pick up most of the second preferences from Greens and Lib Dems.0 -
Not to be prejudiced or anything, especially after this morning's poll findings, but she is foreign (Yorkshire).0
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Tories should stand aside in favour of a high-profile independent.
That Charles Windsor chap always seems to have something to say about planning, so perhaps he might stand. Not sure he's too familiar with buses, trains and tubes, however.0 -
When the news will be dominated by the Trump - Kim love-in.williamglenn said:
And the Labour leadership will be celebrating Russia Day.0 -
Compared to Boris, Sadiq Khan has been a terrible mayor, he is just so anonymous and uninspiring. However if Labour put up a Cheese Sandwich as their candidate it would win the Mayoral Election at the moment, such is Labour's dominance of the Capital. 2/5 is a great price for Khan.0
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I agree with Mr. Topping. Clearly, the nation/Morris Dancer's wallet would be best served by a Bailey triumph.
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I agree it's a smart move too. The mayor role seems to have become one that requires a personality, so having a long run at it makes a lot of sense.0
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Morris how much the f**k did you put on? He's down to 2nd favourite now!!Morris_Dancer said:I agree with Mr. Topping. Clearly, the nation/Morris Dancer's wallet would be best served by a Bailey triumph.
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That's next on my list if the leave vote is betrayed - Independence for Yorkshire ;-)TOPPING said:Not to be prejudiced or anything, especially after this morning's poll findings, but she is foreign (Yorkshire).
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Get in the queue (line).Tykejohnno said:
That's next on my list if the leave vote is betrayed - Independence for Yorkshire ;-)TOPPING said:Not to be prejudiced or anything, especially after this morning's poll findings, but she is foreign (Yorkshire).
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Mr. Topping, I'm renowned for my enormous stakes, thanks to my obscenely vast fortune.
What are his odds now?0 -
in to 5s...Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, I'm renowned for my enormous stakes, thanks to my obscenely vast fortune.
What are his odds now?0 -
Edit: on BF. 50s on Laddies!!TOPPING said:
in to 5s...Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, I'm renowned for my enormous stakes, thanks to my obscenely vast fortune.
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Mr. Topping, alas that a competitive lay price isn't there.0
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I don't think he has been anonymous and uninspiring at all – he's rather charismatic and makes a good leader for London.currystar said:Compared to Boris, Sadiq Khan has been a terrible mayor, he is just so anonymous and uninspiring. However if Labour put up a Cheese Sandwich as their candidate it would win the Mayoral Election at the moment, such is Labour's dominance of the Capital. 2/5 is a great price for Khan.
Boris and to a slightly lesser degree Ken were larger than life mega-characters, but then so are all politicos compared to that pair.
Actually I think Khan arrived at the right time – after 16 years of rampantly egotistical mayors it's nice to have someone a bit more normal.0 -
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Just too many star war films in a short space of time and it may be crap ;-)Scott_P said:0 -
Mr. P, I'd be surprised if it managed to lose money, but a combination of factors (saturation of releases, last minute director changes, the PC nonsense in the background leading to something of a boycott) will make it less profitable than it should've been.
Disney needs to calm down. Relax a bit, and take some time. People won't forget what Star Wars is if they don't release a film every six months.
And they should make a Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy. They won't. But they should.0 -
Surely Zak will stand again. As we saw with Richmond, he's the Tories' Comeback Kid.0
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It will be interesting to see how the UK Supreme Court decides:
The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
The Colorado state court had found that baker Jack Phillips' decision to turn away David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012 was unlawful discrimination.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162
Judgement reserved in 'gay cake' Supreme Court case
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43976101
Will be interesting to see the US Supreme Court's reasoning - but I'm suspicious of any ruling that allows 'beliefs' to trump 'law'.0 -
Given the calls for an inquiry into anti-Muslim sentiment in the Conservative party, he might want to keep his head down for a bit...Stark_Dawning said:Surely Zak will stand again. As we saw with Richmond, he's the Tories' Comeback Kid.
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About 10 million people are eligible to go to the polls on Thursday in the Ontario provincial election, (although the turnout was only 51% last time).
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I thought all movies lost money....Scott_P said:
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I agree it seems crazy to select a candidate so far in advance given the wider political uncertainties. Why not wait until summer or even Autumn 2019 when the political landscape might be clearer and who knows May might have stood down and there is a new Cabinet.houndtang said:Greening might fancy a return to Cabinet in near future (May didn't actually want her to go) so being Mayoral candidate so far in advance might rule her out for that.
It's a gruelling battle running for Mayor and you need to be committed.
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Mr. rkrkrk, point of order: the allegation by the MCB (as Javid says, an organisation not especially trusted by either blue or red governments due to its membership) is of Islamophobia, a silly term that conflates anti-Muslim bigotry with entirely acceptable criticism or ridicule of Islam.0
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Will Ozzy be tempted to stand? There'll obviously be no problem getting the Evening Standard's backing, and he'd doubtless enjoy contrasting his glowing success with Theresa's doom.0
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Agreed. And Khan has been quite astute - his main campaigns on air pollution and Brexit broaden his appeal to many Londoners at a very low cost to the mayoral budget. He has ended Boris's vanity projects and gives the impression of down-to-earth commitment to the city (and the City). And he doesn't make enemies - he might not be the most charismatic kid on the block but that's no bad thing when you consider the calamitous record of more charismatic leaders at national level in the past few years.Anazina said:
I don't think he has been anonymous and uninspiring at all – he's rather charismatic and makes a good leader for London.currystar said:Compared to Boris, Sadiq Khan has been a terrible mayor, he is just so anonymous and uninspiring. However if Labour put up a Cheese Sandwich as their candidate it would win the Mayoral Election at the moment, such is Labour's dominance of the Capital. 2/5 is a great price for Khan.
Boris and to a slightly lesser degree Ken were larger than life mega-characters, but then so are all politicos compared to that pair.
Actually I think Khan arrived at the right time – after 16 years of rampantly egotistical mayors it's nice to have someone a bit more normal.0 -
Labour ran the same timetable. I'm with you – it's a mistake I think.brendan16 said:
I agree it seems crazy to select a candidate so far in advance given the wider political uncertainties. Why not wait until summer or even Autumn 2019 when the political landscape might be clearer and who knows May might have stood down and there is a new Cabinet.houndtang said:Greening might fancy a return to Cabinet in near future (May didn't actually want her to go) so being Mayoral candidate so far in advance might rule her out for that.
It's a gruelling battle running for Mayor and you need to be committed.0 -
CarlottaVance said:
The letter seems to imply that Labour have refused to honour the pairing system for this vote – is that your reading of it?0 -
They've all been crap since Empire Strikes Back :-)Tykejohnno said:
Just too many star war films in a short space of time and it may be crap ;-)
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Is it me or are cakes disproportionately involved in matters relating to sexual equality legislation? Wasn't there a similar case very recently in Northern Ireland?CarlottaVance said:It will be interesting to see how the UK Supreme Court decides:
The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
The Colorado state court had found that baker Jack Phillips' decision to turn away David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012 was unlawful discrimination.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162
Judgement reserved in 'gay cake' Supreme Court case
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43976101
Will be interesting to see the US Supreme Court's reasoning - but I'm suspicious of any ruling that allows 'beliefs' to trump 'law'.0 -
Pairing doesn't normally operate on three-line whips, which I expect all these votes will be. Exceptions are sometimes made for serious ill health.Anazina said:CarlottaVance said:
The letter seems to imply that Labour have refused to honour the pairing system for this vote – is that your reading of it?0 -
I see that two of the liberal Justices sided with the conservatives on the Supreme Court, although the majority decision was made on the ground that the Colorado State Commission had displayed bias, rather than ruling that Colorado's anti-discrimination law was unconstitutional per se.CarlottaVance said:It will be interesting to see how the UK Supreme Court decides:
The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
The Colorado state court had found that baker Jack Phillips' decision to turn away David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012 was unlawful discrimination.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162
Judgement reserved in 'gay cake' Supreme Court case
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43976101
Will be interesting to see the US Supreme Court's reasoning - but I'm suspicious of any ruling that allows 'beliefs' to trump 'law'.
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Ms. Anazina, yes, the court found against the bakery (Asher's, maybe?). However, Peter Tatchell, amongst others, thought that the finding was erroneous on the basis that a straight person/couple asking for a cake celebrating gay marriage would also have been declined, (ie the decision was not discriminating against individuals based on sexuality but on the message).0
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There were reports last year that Labour were going to stop pairing:Anazina said:CarlottaVance said:
The letter seems to imply that Labour have refused to honour the pairing system for this vote – is that your reading of it?
https://www.ft.com/content/aac0112e-790c-11e7-a3e8-60495fe6ca71
All's fair in love & war!0 -
Don't tell anyone, but I really enjoyed Solo. I thought it was a good hearted, well paced, high octane romp. If I were a 13 year old boy, it would probably be my favourite Star Wars movie.Scott_P said:
My only criticism is that Alden Ehrenrich is absolutely nothing like - in looks, mannerisms, accent or intonation - Harrison Ford.0 -
Yes, to be paired on a big 3 line whip would have you recorded as an abstention and therefore a rebel. The only example that springs to mind was on the tuition fees vote, where Chris Huhne (LD) and Martin Horwood (erm, LD) were at a climate summit in Mexico, and given the alternatives of them staying there, or them both flying half-way round the world, pulling out of the summit, voting opposite ways, and Horwood resigning as a minster, they decided that keeping them there was the pragmatic approach.Tissue_Price said:
Pairing doesn't normally operate on three-line whips, which I expect all these votes will be. Exceptions are sometimes made for serious ill health.Anazina said:CarlottaVance said:
The letter seems to imply that Labour have refused to honour the pairing system for this vote – is that your reading of it?0 -
Didn't the whole film world (ie Mark Kermode) note how much he was exactly like (a younger) Harrison Ford?rcs1000 said:
Don't tell anyone, but I really enjoyed Solo. I thought it was a good hearted, well paced, high octane romp. If I were a 13 year old boy, it would probably be my favourite Star Wars movie.Scott_P said:
My only criticism is that Alden Ehrenrich is absolutely nothing like - in looks, mannerisms, accent or intonation - Harrison Ford.0 -
The court at first instance held as a finding of fact that the bakers had (correctly) treated the customer as gay on the strength of the request. So the line of argument you ascribe to Peter Tatchell is inapplicable: the bakers would have treated anyone making the request on the basis that they were gay.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Anazina, yes, the court found against the bakery (Asher's, maybe?). However, Peter Tatchell, amongst others, thought that the finding was erroneous on the basis that a straight person/couple asking for a cake celebrating gay marriage would also have been declined, (ie the decision was not discriminating against individuals based on sexuality but on the message).
That doesn't give an answer to the question but it does rule out that way of answering it.0 -
Yeah I think you'll find those calls are a bit more widespread than just one organization.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, point of order: the allegation by the MCB (as Javid says, an organisation not especially trusted by either blue or red governments due to its membership) is of Islamophobia, a silly term that conflates anti-Muslim bigotry with entirely acceptable criticism or ridicule of Islam.
https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2018/06/iman-atta-the-call-for-an-inquiry-into-tory-anti-muslim-prejudice-isnt-new-we-made-it-two-years-ago-it-still-stands.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-tory-islamophobia-inquiry-conservative-peer-lord-mohamed-sheikh-a8380341.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/islamophobia-inquiry-mosques-urge-conservative-party-theresa-may-a8381551.html
https://www.channel4.com/news/baroness-warsi-the-party-needs-to-get-out-of-denial-mode0 -
MP told me they pair for illness only.CarlottaVance said:
There were reports last year that Labour were going to stop pairing:Anazina said:CarlottaVance said:
The letter seems to imply that Labour have refused to honour the pairing system for this vote – is that your reading of it?
https://www.ft.com/content/aac0112e-790c-11e7-a3e8-60495fe6ca71
All's fair in love & war!
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Philips didn't Refuse them service as they were gay - he would have been happy to sell them a birthday cake or any other cake but does not approve of gay marriage due to his religious beliefs and therefore refused to make a cake for their wedding. My suggestion would have been to accept that and find another baker for your wedding cake - rather than go to the law and court over it.Sean_F said:
I see that two of the liberal Justices sided with the conservatives on the Supreme Court, although the majority decision was made on the ground that the Colorado State Commission had displayed bias, rather than ruling that Colorado's anti-discrimination law was unconstitutional per se.CarlottaVance said:It will be interesting to see how the UK Supreme Court decides:
The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
The Colorado state court had found that baker Jack Phillips' decision to turn away David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012 was unlawful discrimination.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162
Judgement reserved in 'gay cake' Supreme Court case
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43976101
Will be interesting to see the US Supreme Court's reasoning - but I'm suspicious of any ruling that allows 'beliefs' to trump 'law'.
In the end it's up to the US Supreme Court to adjudicate as the final arbiter over civil rights and the constitution - not the Colorado civil rights commission. The fact that two of the supposedly liberal judges sided with the majority suggests it was pretty clear cut.0 -
US Supreme Court 'gay wedding cake' - worth reading the Ginsburg dissent which provides interesting perspective the majority judgment glosses over....
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Mr. rkrkrk, I'd want to look at those claims in some detail, though I would note that Warsi is a berk who wibbled about militant secularists [or very similar] very shortly before the Islamic State arose.
Discriminating against people because of their religion is wrong. Critiquing or taking the piss of a religion is entirely acceptable and the right to do so must be defended. That's why Islamophobia is such a stupid term: it deliberately conflates the two.0 -
Interestingly, it was Justice Kennedy, who wrote the majority opinion which ruled bans on gay marriage to be unconstitutional, who wrote the majority opinion in this case.brendan16 said:
Philips didn't Refuse them service as they were gay - he would have been happy to sell them a birthday cake or any other cake but does not approve of gay marriage due to his religious beliefs and therefore refused to make a cake for their wedding. My suggestion would have been to accept that and find another baker for your wedding cake - rather than go to the law and court over it.Sean_F said:
I see that two of the liberal Justices sided with the conservatives on the Supreme Court, although the majority decision was made on the ground that the Colorado State Commission had displayed bias, rather than ruling that Colorado's anti-discrimination law was unconstitutional per se.CarlottaVance said:It will be interesting to see how the UK Supreme Court decides:
The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
The Colorado state court had found that baker Jack Phillips' decision to turn away David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012 was unlawful discrimination.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162
Judgement reserved in 'gay cake' Supreme Court case
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43976101
Will be interesting to see the US Supreme Court's reasoning - but I'm suspicious of any ruling that allows 'beliefs' to trump 'law'.
In the end it's up to the US Supreme Court to adjudicate as the final arbiter over civil rights and the constitution - not the Colorado civil rights commission. The fact that two of the supposedly liberal judges sided with the majority suggests it was pretty clear cut.0 -
That's the second link - the UK Supreme Court has heard the case and an answer is expected in the autumn. It will be interesting to see what impact the absence of first amendment rights has.Anazina said:
Is it me or are cakes disproportionately involved in matters relating to sexual equality legislation? Wasn't there a similar case very recently in Northern Ireland?CarlottaVance said:It will be interesting to see how the UK Supreme Court decides:
The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
The Colorado state court had found that baker Jack Phillips' decision to turn away David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012 was unlawful discrimination.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162
Judgement reserved in 'gay cake' Supreme Court case
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43976101
Will be interesting to see the US Supreme Court's reasoning - but I'm suspicious of any ruling that allows 'beliefs' to trump 'law'.0 -
Part filmed in a power station not so 'Far Far Away'.rcs1000 said:
Don't tell anyone, but I really enjoyed Solo. I thought it was a good hearted, well paced, high octane romp. If I were a 13 year old boy, it would probably be my favourite Star Wars movie.Scott_P said:
My only criticism is that Alden Ehrenrich is absolutely nothing like - in looks, mannerisms, accent or intonation - Harrison Ford.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-44157988/upcoming-star-wars-movie-was-part-filmed-in-hampshire0 -
Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest0 -
Mr. Meeks, that's an interesting counter-argument (which, personally, I don't buy) but it does then bring up a new counter-counter-argument:
by that definition a Christian (with a capital C) bakery could never deny any message request on a cake that directly contradicted their beliefs and teachings, provided the request came from someone whose demographics were intrinsically linked to said message.
In short, people would be compelled to always ignore their own beliefs and forced by law to give preference to others who believe differently. That seems profoundly unfair when it comes to freedom of religion.
[Been thinking about this sort of thing a bit recently. I wouldn't want the homophobic parts of holy books to be removed, or a compulsion on the religious to recant or promise to never publicly utter said passages, but I'd equally defend the right of homosexuals (or, indeed, plain old atheists) to say they believed religions were utter nonsense].0 -
There's a nice euphemism for terrorists here - "people of a political persuasion".TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/border-gardaí-seek-automatic-weapons-amid-hard-brexit-fears-1.3514157
Gardaí stationed near the Border are seeking the return of machine guns to individual stations ahead of a possible hard Brexit.
They are also asking the Minister for Justice and Garda management for more Armed Support Units (ASUs) to help police the estimated 208 crossings along the 500km Border.
Gardaí along the Border say criminals and subversives see the force as weak and ill-equipped and they are correct, according to Garda Brendan O’Connor who represents Donegal-based members for the Garda Representative Association (GRA).
“Our members feel that criminals and the cross-Border drug dealers and people of a political persuasion, they don’t take us seriously. They don’t see us as having the capabilities to take them on. They see us as weak. They see us as we see ourselves – untrained, ill-equipped and not enough numbers.”0 -
Just keep shooting the messenger eh?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, I'd want to look at those claims in some detail, though I would note that Warsi is a berk who wibbled about militant secularists [or very similar] very shortly before the Islamic State arose.
Discriminating against people because of their religion is wrong. Critiquing or taking the piss of a religion is entirely acceptable and the right to do so must be defended. That's why Islamophobia is such a stupid term: it deliberately conflates the two.0 -
Well it clearly shows TSE's prediction a couple of threads back about the most important day in history, etc, etc, was plain wrong...Anazina said:CarlottaVance said:
The letter seems to imply that Labour have refused to honour the pairing system for this vote – is that your reading of it?
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A very significant difference. The US Supreme Court would certainly rule that a baker was exercising his rights under the First Amendment if he objected to a particular political message.CarlottaVance said:
That's the second link - the UK Supreme Court has heard the case and an answer is expected in the autumn. It will be interesting to see what impact the absence of first amendment rights has.Anazina said:
Is it me or are cakes disproportionately involved in matters relating to sexual equality legislation? Wasn't there a similar case very recently in Northern Ireland?CarlottaVance said:It will be interesting to see how the UK Supreme Court decides:
The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a baker in Colorado who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
The Colorado state court had found that baker Jack Phillips' decision to turn away David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012 was unlawful discrimination.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162
Judgement reserved in 'gay cake' Supreme Court case
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43976101
Will be interesting to see the US Supreme Court's reasoning - but I'm suspicious of any ruling that allows 'beliefs' to trump 'law'.0 -
Wow, and people say the U.K. government is guilty of trampling on the GFA.williamglenn said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/border-gardaí-seek-automatic-weapons-amid-hard-brexit-fears-1.3514157TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest
Gardaí stationed near the Border are seeking the return of machine guns to individual stations ahead of a possible hard Brexit.
They are also asking the Minister for Justice and Garda management for more Armed Support Units (ASUs) to help police the estimated 208 crossings along the 500km Border.
Gardaí along the Border say criminals and subversives see the force as weak and ill-equipped and they are correct, according to Garda Brendan O’Connor who represents Donegal-based members for the Garda Representative Association (GRA).
“Our members feel that criminals and the cross-Border drug dealers and people of a political persuasion, they don’t take us seriously. They don’t see us as having the capabilities to take them on. They see us as weak. They see us as we see ourselves – untrained, ill-equipped and not enough numbers.”0 -
Article fails to recognise that Sadiq was selected as Labour candidate for Mayor by declaring support for Corbyn. No guarantee he would be in any position win an election to lead the Party now0
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"...and people of a political persuasion..."williamglenn said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/border-gardaí-seek-automatic-weapons-amid-hard-brexit-fears-1.3514157TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest
Gardaí stationed near the Border are seeking the return of machine guns to individual stations ahead of a possible hard Brexit.
They are also asking the Minister for Justice and Garda management for more Armed Support Units (ASUs) to help police the estimated 208 crossings along the 500km Border.
Gardaí along the Border say criminals and subversives see the force as weak and ill-equipped and they are correct, according to Garda Brendan O’Connor who represents Donegal-based members for the Garda Representative Association (GRA).
“Our members feel that criminals and the cross-Border drug dealers and people of a political persuasion, they don’t take us seriously. They don’t see us as having the capabilities to take them on. They see us as weak. They see us as we see ourselves – untrained, ill-equipped and not enough numbers.”
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Yep they're not talking about Vince Cable.Nigelb said:
"...and people of a political persuasion..."williamglenn said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/border-gardaí-seek-automatic-weapons-amid-hard-brexit-fears-1.3514157TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest
Gardaí stationed near the Border are seeking the return of machine guns to individual stations ahead of a possible hard Brexit.
They are also asking the Minister for Justice and Garda management for more Armed Support Units (ASUs) to help police the estimated 208 crossings along the 500km Border.
Gardaí along the Border say criminals and subversives see the force as weak and ill-equipped and they are correct, according to Garda Brendan O’Connor who represents Donegal-based members for the Garda Representative Association (GRA).
“Our members feel that criminals and the cross-Border drug dealers and people of a political persuasion, they don’t take us seriously. They don’t see us as having the capabilities to take them on. They see us as weak. They see us as we see ourselves – untrained, ill-equipped and not enough numbers.”
A slightly odd target for the machine gunners ?0 -
So how has his pledge to build 80,000 affordable homes a year worked out?anothernick said:
Agreed. And Khan has been quite astute - his main campaigns on air pollution and Brexit broaden his appeal to many Londoners at a very low cost to the mayoral budget. He has ended Boris's vanity projects and gives the impression of down-to-earth commitment to the city (and the City). And he doesn't make enemies - he might not be the most charismatic kid on the block but that's no bad thing when you consider the calamitous record of more charismatic leaders at national level in the past few years.Anazina said:
I don't think he has been anonymous and uninspiring at all – he's rather charismatic and makes a good leader for London.currystar said:Compared to Boris, Sadiq Khan has been a terrible mayor, he is just so anonymous and uninspiring. However if Labour put up a Cheese Sandwich as their candidate it would win the Mayoral Election at the moment, such is Labour's dominance of the Capital. 2/5 is a great price for Khan.
Boris and to a slightly lesser degree Ken were larger than life mega-characters, but then so are all politicos compared to that pair.
Actually I think Khan arrived at the right time – after 16 years of rampantly egotistical mayors it's nice to have someone a bit more normal.0 -
No idea but no one is going to believe that a Tory mayor would be more committed to social housing than the boy from the Tooting council house.currystar said:
So how has his pledge to build 80,000 affordable homes a year worked out?anothernick said:
Agreed. And Khan has been quite astute - his main campaigns on air pollution and Brexit broaden his appeal to many Londoners at a very low cost to the mayoral budget. He has ended Boris's vanity projects and gives the impression of down-to-earth commitment to the city (and the City). And he doesn't make enemies - he might not be the most charismatic kid on the block but that's no bad thing when you consider the calamitous record of more charismatic leaders at national level in the past few years.Anazina said:
I don't think he has been anonymous and uninspiring at all – he's rather charismatic and makes a good leader for London.currystar said:Compared to Boris, Sadiq Khan has been a terrible mayor, he is just so anonymous and uninspiring. However if Labour put up a Cheese Sandwich as their candidate it would win the Mayoral Election at the moment, such is Labour's dominance of the Capital. 2/5 is a great price for Khan.
Boris and to a slightly lesser degree Ken were larger than life mega-characters, but then so are all politicos compared to that pair.
Actually I think Khan arrived at the right time – after 16 years of rampantly egotistical mayors it's nice to have someone a bit more normal.0 -
I had a very surreal call with a SF councillor in a border area who asked us to stop stopping one particular local. He told me: "he's not, well you know, he doesn't...he wouldn't...he's not..."williamglenn said:
There's a nice euphemism for terrorists here - "people of a political persuasion".TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest0 -
Mr. rkrkrk, I'm not the sort of chap who shoots messengers. #JeSuisCharlie
If claims of anti-Muslim bigotry are proven, measures must be taken if systems are flawed, and if individuals are at fault they should be held accountable.
It remains a matter of record that certain segments of British society are over-sensitive to anything even remotely critical or satirical of Islam. Just look at Newsnight. When Jesus and Mo was in the news almost the entire segment the programme ran sided with religious censorship of satire rather than free speech for an atheist.0 -
Honestly it wasn't as bad as the trailers made it look even if it was not great, and even bad ones have made money, so I think the reason it is doing so badly is that most casual fans don't care about backstory character minutiae like the die hard fans.rcs1000 said:
Don't tell anyone, but I really enjoyed Solo. I thought it was a good hearted, well paced, high octane romp. If I were a 13 year old boy, it would probably be my favourite Star Wars movie.Scott_P said:
My only criticism is that Alden Ehrenrich is absolutely nothing like - in looks, mannerisms, accent or intonation - Harrison Ford.
I was a little confused how old the guy was meant to be. The actor is only 28 but to me he looked 35, and by the logic of the story I think he was meant to be around 20.0 -
The Kagan concurrence is brief, and also excellent.CarlottaVance said:US Supreme Court 'gay wedding cake' - worth reading the Ginsburg dissent which provides interesting perspective the majority judgment glosses over....
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf
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Unfortunately for him, he’s in office.anothernick said:
No idea but no one is going to believe that a Tory mayor would be more committed to social housing than the boy from the Tooting council house.currystar said:
So how has his pledge to build 80,000 affordable homes a year worked out?anothernick said:
Agreed. And Khan has been quite astute - his main campaigns on air pollution and Brexit broaden his appeal to many Londoners at a very low cost to the mayoral budget. He has ended Boris's vanity projects and gives the impression of down-to-earth commitment to the city (and the City). And he doesn't make enemies - he might not be the most charismatic kid on the block but that's no bad thing when you consider the calamitous record of more charismatic leaders at national level in the past few years.Anazina said:
I don't think he has been anonymous and uninspiring at all – he's rather charismatic and makes a good leader for London.currystar said:Compared to Boris, Sadiq Khan has been a terrible mayor, he is just so anonymous and uninspiring. However if Labour put up a Cheese Sandwich as their candidate it would win the Mayoral Election at the moment, such is Labour's dominance of the Capital. 2/5 is a great price for Khan.
Boris and to a slightly lesser degree Ken were larger than life mega-characters, but then so are all politicos compared to that pair.
Actually I think Khan arrived at the right time – after 16 years of rampantly egotistical mayors it's nice to have someone a bit more normal.0 -
When you're discussing the need for automatic weapons on the border, such euphemisms are not exactly helpful.TOPPING said:
Yep they're not talking about Vince Cable.Nigelb said:
"...and people of a political persuasion..."williamglenn said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/border-gardaí-seek-automatic-weapons-amid-hard-brexit-fears-1.3514157TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest
Gardaí stationed near the Border are seeking the return of machine guns to individual stations ahead of a possible hard Brexit.
They are also asking the Minister for Justice and Garda management for more Armed Support Units (ASUs) to help police the estimated 208 crossings along the 500km Border.
Gardaí along the Border say criminals and subversives see the force as weak and ill-equipped and they are correct, according to Garda Brendan O’Connor who represents Donegal-based members for the Garda Representative Association (GRA).
“Our members feel that criminals and the cross-Border drug dealers and people of a political persuasion, they don’t take us seriously. They don’t see us as having the capabilities to take them on. They see us as weak. They see us as we see ourselves – untrained, ill-equipped and not enough numbers.”
A slightly odd target for the machine gunners ?0 -
Off-topic:
We're in Chester on a short break, and I have just completed my 1,000th walk logged for my website!
Woohoo!
It's quite an emotional moment. One thousand days of walking, over 17,500 miles in rain, shine, wind and snow, over nearly twenty years. Much of mainland Britain 'covered', although there are still lots of places I still need to visit.0 -
Congrats, Mr. Jessop
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Don't want that one catching on, it could end up being extended to all of us here! Let's hope it doesn't become a lawful definition, vague terms are easy to misinterpret. As Lord Strickland MP noted in a debate on poor definitions in 1656:williamglenn said:
There's a nice euphemism for terrorists here - "people of a political persuasion".TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest
We know how laws against Papists were turned upon the honestest men. We may all, in after ages, be called Quakers. It is a word nobody understands. ..we all know how the edge of former laws against Papists has been turned upon the best Protestants, the truest professors of religion, the honest Puritan, as they called him, a good profession, but hard to be understood, as this word Quaker will be in after ages
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You took a break when it was hailing? For shameJosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
It's quite an emotional moment. One thousand days of walking, over 17,500 miles in rain, shine, wind and snow,
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Quite accurate thoughNigelb said:
When you're discussing the need for automatic weapons on the border, such euphemisms are not exactly helpful.TOPPING said:
Yep they're not talking about Vince Cable.Nigelb said:
"...and people of a political persuasion..."williamglenn said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/border-gardaí-seek-automatic-weapons-amid-hard-brexit-fears-1.3514157TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest
Gardaí stationed near the Border are seeking the return of machine guns to individual stations ahead of a possible hard Brexit.
They are also asking the Minister for Justice and Garda management for more Armed Support Units (ASUs) to help police the estimated 208 crossings along the 500km Border.
Gardaí along the Border say criminals and subversives see the force as weak and ill-equipped and they are correct, according to Garda Brendan O’Connor who represents Donegal-based members for the Garda Representative Association (GRA).
“Our members feel that criminals and the cross-Border drug dealers and people of a political persuasion, they don’t take us seriously. They don’t see us as having the capabilities to take them on. They see us as weak. They see us as we see ourselves – untrained, ill-equipped and not enough numbers.”
A slightly odd target for the machine gunners ?0 -
What is that perspective, for those of us who haven't got time to read the full judgement?CarlottaVance said:US Supreme Court 'gay wedding cake' - worth reading the Ginsburg dissent which provides interesting perspective the majority judgment glosses over....
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kle4 said:
You took a break when it was hailing? For shameJosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
It's quite an emotional moment. One thousand days of walking, over 17,500 miles in rain, shine, wind and snow, Yeah, and sleet. A fair few thunderstorms though. I had one on a beallach between two mountains when the mist around me was flashing different colours. Blooming frightening. 0 -
Had the Court been required to determine whether or not Colorado's law was constitutional, then I'm sure it would have split 5-4 or 4-5. Overturning the decision on the ground of bias made this unnecessary.Nigelb said:
The Kagan concurrence is brief, and also excellent.CarlottaVance said:US Supreme Court 'gay wedding cake' - worth reading the Ginsburg dissent which provides interesting perspective the majority judgment glosses over....
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf
Gorsuch is a longwinded numpty.
My understanding is that Justice Roberts prefers to find narrow grounds on which to rule, so as to avoid decisions being split along political lines, where possible.0 -
rkrkrk said:
Just keep shooting the messenger eh?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, I'd want to look at those claims in some detail, though I would note that Warsi is a berk who wibbled about militant secularists [or very similar] very shortly before the Islamic State arose.
Discriminating against people because of their religion is wrong. Critiquing or taking the piss of a religion is entirely acceptable and the right to do so must be defended. That's why Islamophobia is such a stupid term: it deliberately conflates the two.
Many similar arguments can be made in regards to Labour and anti-semitism, even down to certain people representing or not the community. I notice the papers different reactions to them though, many proud 'anti racists' have been very quiet on the issue.... Almost as if it was about political point scoring rather than racism....rkrkrk said:
Just keep shooting the messenger eh?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, I'd want to look at those claims in some detail, though I would note that Warsi is a berk who wibbled about militant secularists [or very similar] very shortly before the Islamic State arose.
Discriminating against people because of their religion is wrong. Critiquing or taking the piss of a religion is entirely acceptable and the right to do so must be defended. That's why Islamophobia is such a stupid term: it deliberately conflates the two.
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The Gardai are terribly weak versus some of the people they are meant to police. The Dublin drug gangs give them a real problem.TOPPING said:
I had a very surreal call with a SF councillor in a border area who asked us to stop stopping one particular local. He told me: "he's not, well you know, he doesn't...he wouldn't...he's not..."williamglenn said:
There's a nice euphemism for terrorists here - "people of a political persuasion".TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest0 -
LOL at that shade you just threw towards Gorsuch. I’m in agreement.Nigelb said:
The Kagan concurrence is brief, and also excellent.CarlottaVance said:US Supreme Court 'gay wedding cake' - worth reading the Ginsburg dissent which provides interesting perspective the majority judgment glosses over....
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-111_j4el.pdf
Gorsuch is a longwinded numpty.
Apparently the ruling doesn’t allow for discrimination, but is about specifics related to this case. Also thanks to Carlotta for providing a link to Ginsburg’s dissent, I’ll read that in a moment.
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Good bye Grayling...0
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Syed Kamall looks a good bet for Tory London Mayoral candidate0
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O/T
"School bans boys from wearing shorts, telling them to wear skirts instead
It is understood to be part of a gender-neutral uniform policy at Chiltern Edge School"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/chiltern-edge-school-uniform-policy-trousers-skirts-shorts-ban-a8382336.html0 -
A slight twist on the usual story - I feel like every year we hear some story about train drivers, or school boys, or whoever, not being allowed to wear shorts, and 'getting around' that by wearing skirts instead. And so if the report is right in this case the school has short cutted that by just saying, yeah, skirts are fine.AndyJS said:O/T
"School bans boys from wearing shorts, telling them to wear skirts instead
It is understood to be part of a gender-neutral uniform policy at Chiltern Edge School"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/chiltern-edge-school-uniform-policy-trousers-skirts-shorts-ban-a8382336.html0 -
This was several moons ago Alan we weren’t so much worried about the drugs!!Alanbrooke said:
The Gardai are terribly weak versus some of the people they are meant to police. The Dublin drug gangs give them a real problem.TOPPING said:
I had a very surreal call with a SF councillor in a border area who asked us to stop stopping one particular local. He told me: "he's not, well you know, he doesn't...he wouldn't...he's not..."williamglenn said:
There's a nice euphemism for terrorists here - "people of a political persuasion".TOPPING said:Just Project Fear - nothing to worry about.
https://express.co.uk/news/uk/969127/brexit-news-northern-ireland-border-hard-border-latest0
