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What a wonderful demonstration of the public sector mentality.Dura_Ace said:
Tory defence personnel cuts:Casino_Royale said:
There is an opportunity for the Conservatives to play a balanced approach to the economy, investment in public services and keeping taxes reasonable, in GE2022, whilst contrasting with Corbyn's recklessness on the economy and national security.
RN: 6,000 cut down to 29,000
RAF: 6,500 cut down to 31,500
Army: 8,000 cut down to 94,000
And that's before we get into any of the hardware and services procurement incompetence.
What does 'reckless' look like compared to that record?
The before numbers were unaffordable thanks to the yawning deficit and chronic optimism over future costs, so I don’t think they’re meaningful. The army is no longer in the top division, but I don’t see why that’s crucial when a) the colonies are gone and b) we don’t need to be ready to halt the Red Army in West Germany. Much better to concentrate our limited resources on the Royal Navy and the RAF.
We should definitely keep Trident. Ukraine gave up its nukes for a promise; look at it now.0 -
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them0 -
So PB has concluded that it is The Maybot vs The Absolute Boy : The Rematch in 2022.
Is there a market for such a pairing and timetable?0 -
Some sound thinking.GreenHeron said:On topic, I'm not sure she will lead the conservatives into the next election, and I'm not sure that she should.
As OGH alludes to, May's greatest asset is her durability, as evidenced in both her tenure in the Home Office and as PM. This may be a controversial view but I believe that she deserves great credit for her handling of Brexit so far, managing to steer a very narrow path that does not enrage either or both of the Moggite and Soubryite wings of her party, as well as leading the country towards a soft Brexit that most accurately reflects a 52-48 win for Leave. She has also handled the Russian situation well and clearly curries support overseas.
However once Brexit is done, being a survivor is not enough. Corbyn will repulse many voters but if there's one thing we've learned from Trump, Brexit et al, it's that populations are increasingly wilking to think the unthinkable. By 2022 a clear majority of the population will never have lived as an adult under socialism, and easily enough will know little of the IRA or the horrors of communist Russia to be able to grasp what all the fuss is about with Corbyn's affinities.
We know that Corbyn is a very strong campaigner and he will be able to get across a powerful vision. This, I believe needs to be countered by a conservative vision of its own and I do not believe- save for some some fairly unpleasant authoritarian stuff - May possesses any such vision. My hope is that May steps aside once her Brexit duties are done to allow the party to have a proper leadership contest where someone can sell their vision to the party, and then to the country, as Cameron did in the last leadership contest.
I am optimistic that she also believes, or can be persuaded, that this is the right course of action.0 -
Do we have countdown timer on how long before Jacob Pea-Soup pops whining about May’s decision to sign up to the Customs Union until the 12th of Never?0
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Do you have any evidence that fox hunting is popular outside leftist groupings? My anecdotal evidence suggests very many right wingers deeply oppose it too, being horrified by cruelty to animals.HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them
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Morris_Dancer said:
F1: Red Bull back out to 5 for the title. I think that's wrong. They were surprisingly close in qualifying and their race pace was strong (hard to be precise given the nature of the race). They also have the best driver pairing of the top dogs.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Tyndall, "This leaf is wrong" [ok, TV not film, but still].
Is this another Formulaic One post?
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Those who were banking on getting there hands on their folks property were most appalled. Somewhat ironic that Corbyn benefitted most from the money-grubbing 40-50s who balked at losing their inheritance. Whether they will give him such a free ride (and their vote) when they realise he will take away everything else they treasure is yet to be seen....HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them0 -
Yep. My impression is that there is a clear majority on both left and right for continuing the ban.Anazina said:
Do you have any evidence that fox hunting is popular outside leftist groupings? My anecdotal evidence suggests very many right wingers deeply oppose it too, being horrified by cruelty to animals.HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them0 -
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In my experience it was near universally disliked among young people and one of those things that made them feel Tories are just not nice people.Anazina said:
Do you have any evidence that fox hunting is popular outside leftist groupings? My anecdotal evidence suggests very many right wingers deeply oppose it too, being horrified by cruelty to animals.HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them0 -
If Red Bull were in with a shout, surely they'd have needed to be winning in Australia as that seems a track more suited to their strengths.Morris_Dancer said:F1: Red Bull back out to 5 for the title. I think that's wrong. They were surprisingly close in qualifying and their race pace was strong (hard to be precise given the nature of the race). They also have the best driver pairing of the top dogs.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Tyndall, "This leaf is wrong" [ok, TV not film, but still].
Btw, I hadn't appreciated that Haas is basically a second Ferrari team. F1 really is in a bad place.0 -
Whats Corbyn going to take away?MarqueeMark said:
Those who were banking on getting there hands on their folks property were most appalled. Somewhat ironic that Corbyn benefitted most from the money-grubbing 40-50s who balked at losing their inheritance. Whether they will give him such a free ride (and their vote) when they realise he will take away everything else they treasure is yet to be seen....HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them
Obviously war, poverty and the ability of Millionaires to pay bugger all but most people dont treasure those.0 -
I thought Dura's suggestion was not to give up nukes but to.replace them with a cheaper version. That certainly seems like an option worth exploring. I am afraid I don't buy Sir Humphrey's argument about it being the nuke that Harrods would sell.RoyalBlue said:
What a wonderful demonstration of the public sector mentality.Dura_Ace said:
Tory defence personnel cuts:Casino_Royale said:
There is an opportunity for the Conservatives to play a balanced approach to the economy, investment in public services and keeping taxes reasonable, in GE2022, whilst contrasting with Corbyn's recklessness on the economy and national security.
RN: 6,000 cut down to 29,000
RAF: 6,500 cut down to 31,500
Army: 8,000 cut down to 94,000
And that's before we get into any of the hardware and services procurement incompetence.
What does 'reckless' look like compared to that record?
The before numbers were unaffordable thanks to the yawning deficit and chronic optimism over future costs, so I don’t think they’re meaningful. The army is no longer in the top division, but I don’t see why that’s crucial when a) the colonies are gone and b) we don’t need to be ready to halt the Red Army in West Germany. Much better to concentrate our limited resources on the Royal Navy and the RAF.
We should definitely keep Trident. Ukraine gave up its nukes for a promise; look at it now.
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Yes but Cameron won a majority with a free vote policyAnazina said:
Do you have any evidence that fox hunting is popular outside leftist groupings? My anecdotal evidence suggests very many right wingers deeply oppose it too, being horrified by cruelty to animals.HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them0 -
2021 would be the smart time. Long enough for a new leader to bed in, short enough they don't lose their gloss.AlastairMeeks said:If the Conservatives are going to let Theresa May stay until Brexit is done, that begs the question when Brexit will be done. Not by next March, that’s for sure. At that point the negotiations for the long term deal will just about be starting.
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Given this is an entirely imaginary concept, I suspect he'll be fine with it.Anazina said:Do we have countdown timer on how long before Jacob Pea-Soup pops whining about May’s decision to sign up to the Customs Union until the 12th of Never?
Might be worth reading the PMs words, rather than believing the spin of Remainers desperate to give up our rights by remaining in a customs union despite having a huge trade deficit with the EU in goods.
She said timetables might shift, which as a businessman I fully support, not that we're signing up to something indefinitely.0 -
Unspoofable.CarlottaVance said:All those LEAVE FT & Guardian readers.....
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/9788927580092375040 -
Off-topic:
A little snippet of news on Lockheed Martin's work towards a compact fusion reactor:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/19652/lockheed-martin-now-has-a-patent-for-its-potentially-world-changing-fusion-reactor
Means little in itself, but still interesting.0 -
The thing is the spin of continuity remainers can match up with the fears of ultra Brexiters sometimes, even if both are mistaken.Mortimer said:
Given this is an entirely imaginary concept, I suspect he'll be fine with it.Anazina said:Do we have countdown timer on how long before Jacob Pea-Soup pops whining about May’s decision to sign up to the Customs Union until the 12th of Never?
Might be worth reading the PMs words, rather than believing the spin of Remainers desperate to give up our rights by remaining in a customs union despite having a huge trade deficit with the EU in goods.
She said timetables might shift, which as a businessman I fully support, not that we're signing up to something indefinitely.0 -
I’m not sure how many people like pineapple on pizzas but that’s no reason to ban it. Especially for a Tory.Elliot said:
In my experience it was near universally disliked among young people and one of those things that made them feel Tories are just not nice people.Anazina said:
Do you have any evidence that fox hunting is popular outside leftist groupings? My anecdotal evidence suggests very many right wingers deeply oppose it too, being horrified by cruelty to animals.HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them0 -
Why have they got Rolf Harris in their advert?CarlottaVance said:All those LEAVE FT & Guardian readers.....
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/9788927580092375040 -
Surely if they're putting them up in London, it should say "When will we know what they voted for."CarlottaVance said:All those LEAVE FT & Guardian readers.....
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/9788927580092375040 -
May will be thankful if your fellow young fogey eurosceptics are as credulous as you!Mortimer said:
Given this is an entirely imaginary concept, I suspect he'll be fine with it.Anazina said:Do we have countdown timer on how long before Jacob Pea-Soup pops whining about May’s decision to sign up to the Customs Union until the 12th of Never?
Might be worth reading the PMs words, rather than believing the spin of Remainers desperate to give up our rights by remaining in a customs union despite having a huge trade deficit with the EU in goods.
She said timetables might shift, which as a businessman I fully support, not that we're signing up to something indefinitely.
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IANAE, but AIUI the problem is that the entire Trident system is to fulfil a certain role, and that role cannot be filled with a plane-based system - at least without massive further expense.Richard_Tyndall said:
I thought Dura's suggestion was not to give up nukes but to.replace them with a cheaper version. That certainly seems like an option worth exploring. I am afraid I don't buy Sir Humphrey's argument about it being the nuke that Harrods would sell.RoyalBlue said:
What a wonderful demonstration of the public sector mentality.Dura_Ace said:
Tory defence personnel cuts:Casino_Royale said:
There is an opportunity for the Conservatives to play a balanced approach to the economy, investment in public services and keeping taxes reasonable, in GE2022, whilst contrasting with Corbyn's recklessness on the economy and national security.
RN: 6,000 cut down to 29,000
RAF: 6,500 cut down to 31,500
Army: 8,000 cut down to 94,000
And that's before we get into any of the hardware and services procurement incompetence.
What does 'reckless' look like compared to that record?
The before numbers were unaffordable thanks to the yawning deficit and chronic optimism over future costs, so I don’t think they’re meaningful. The army is no longer in the top division, but I don’t see why that’s crucial when a) the colonies are gone and b) we don’t need to be ready to halt the Red Army in West Germany. Much better to concentrate our limited resources on the Royal Navy and the RAF.
We should definitely keep Trident. Ukraine gave up its nukes for a promise; look at it now.
It's not just a case of whether we have nuclear weapons: it is the role we wish them to fulfil, and the threat we wish to deter.0 -
Fox-hunting is way down most people's list of things to obsess about. Anecdotally, or rather non-anecdotally, I've never heard it discussed by real people. It seems to be a peculiar hobby of some posh, horsey people.
Foxes are slightly below fluffy bunnies on the nice animal groupings. If they need controlling, chasing them round the countryside before setting dogs on them seems overly cruel. But for those who do obsess about it, I've no doubt it's their major pre-occupation in life.
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Remember the golden rule of Brexit....Anazina said:
May will be thankful if your fellow young fogey eurosceptics are as credulous as you!Mortimer said:
Given this is an entirely imaginary concept, I suspect he'll be fine with it.Anazina said:Do we have countdown timer on how long before Jacob Pea-Soup pops whining about May’s decision to sign up to the Customs Union until the 12th of Never?
Might be worth reading the PMs words, rather than believing the spin of Remainers desperate to give up our rights by remaining in a customs union despite having a huge trade deficit with the EU in goods.
She said timetables might shift, which as a businessman I fully support, not that we're signing up to something indefinitely.0 -
"People in England will soon have to pay a deposit when they buy drinks bottles and cans in a bid to boost recycling and cut waste."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43563164
It's going to be interesting to see how this works, but things cannot continue as they are. I walked the Nene Way into Northampton on Saturday, and the stretch of riverbank going into the town was covered with plastic litter.0 -
The tories aren't intrinsically worse than Labour they have just had the misfortune to be in the incumbents when some of the monumentally bad decisions were made. They do dress up defence matters in Sturm und Drang nationalism more than Labour which is an insult to the intelligence.rkrkrk said:<
This post made me chuckle.
I'd be very interested in reading a thread header on defence and the Tories' record on it if you have the time!
I might do a header on defence policy and how it impinges on the next GE if the editors will entertain it.0 -
The drip, drip on Corbyn continues. Telegraph now digging around his decades long links to Palestinian support groups.0
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Didn't everyone already know about those?rottenborough said:The drip, drip on Corbyn continues. Telegraph now digging around his decades long links to Palestinian support groups.
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And so it goes on:
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/978899903790419968
and a typical response from the Cult:
https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/9789036964730265600 -
Russian disinformation.....
https://medium.com/dfrlab/putinatwar-a-notorious-classified-tweet-8b2b8da76a640 -
Good to have you back. Must have been a grim few days for someone who saw no problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party....bigjohnowls said:
Whats Corbyn going to take away?MarqueeMark said:
Those who were banking on getting there hands on their folks property were most appalled. Somewhat ironic that Corbyn benefitted most from the money-grubbing 40-50s who balked at losing their inheritance. Whether they will give him such a free ride (and their vote) when they realise he will take away everything else they treasure is yet to be seen....HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them
Obviously war, poverty and the ability of Millionaires to pay bugger all but most people dont treasure those.0 -
Curious of them, given Corbyn admits a party problem, yet some of those who support him still refuse to accept it. Meaning they are operating against Oh Jeremy when they say it.rottenborough said:And so it goes on:
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/978899903790419968
and a typical response from the Cult:
https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/9789036964730265600 -
I think it's second strike capability. Trident can be launched from roaming submarines after the UK has been blown to smithereens. In principle it discourages first strike by either party.JosiasJessop said:
IANAE, but AIUI the problem is that the entire Trident system is to fulfil a certain role, and that role cannot be filled with a plane-based system - at least without massive further expense.Richard_Tyndall said:
I thought Dura's suggestion was not to give up nukes but to.replace them with a cheaper version. That certainly seems like an option worth exploring. I am afraid I don't buy Sir Humphrey's argument about it being the nuke that Harrods would sell.RoyalBlue said:
What a wonderful demonstration of the public sector mentality.Dura_Ace said:
Tory defence personnel cuts:Casino_Royale said:
There is an opportunity for the Conservatives to play a balanced approach to the economy, investment in public services and keeping taxes reasonable, in GE2022, whilst contrasting with Corbyn's recklessness on the economy and national security.
RN: 6,000 cut down to 29,000
RAF: 6,500 cut down to 31,500
Army: 8,000 cut down to 94,000
And that's before we get into any of the hardware and services procurement incompetence.
What does 'reckless' look like compared to that record?
The before numbers were unaffordable thanks to the yawning deficit and chronic optimism over future costs, so I don’t think they’re meaningful. The army is no longer in the top division, but I don’t see why that’s crucial when a) the colonies are gone and b) we don’t need to be ready to halt the Red Army in West Germany. Much better to concentrate our limited resources on the Royal Navy and the RAF.
We should definitely keep Trident. Ukraine gave up its nukes for a promise; look at it now.
It's not just a case of whether we have nuclear weapons: it is the role we wish them to fulfil, and the threat we wish to deter.0 -
Corbyn is more likely to cause wars than any likely leader of the Conservatives. His lukewarm, at best, view of NATO being one example of how he will encourage trouble.MarqueeMark said:
Good to have you back. Must have been a grim few days for someone who saw no problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party....bigjohnowls said:
Whats Corbyn going to take away?MarqueeMark said:
Those who were banking on getting there hands on their folks property were most appalled. Somewhat ironic that Corbyn benefitted most from the money-grubbing 40-50s who balked at losing their inheritance. Whether they will give him such a free ride (and their vote) when they realise he will take away everything else they treasure is yet to be seen....HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them
Obviously war, poverty and the ability of Millionaires to pay bugger all but most people dont treasure those.0 -
Did they really need to spend all that money? We already know what we voted for.CarlottaVance said:All those LEAVE FT & Guardian readers.....
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/978892758009237504
Xenophobia, of course...0 -
I think what's new, is what goes on in these groups.kle4 said:
Didn't everyone already know about those?rottenborough said:The drip, drip on Corbyn continues. Telegraph now digging around his decades long links to Palestinian support groups.
"A spokesman for Jewish Human Rights Watch said: “We just aren’t buying it anymore that Jeremy Corbyn randomly bumps into anti-Semites.” "0 -
Mr. 86, disagree. Red Bull were very close in qualifying, and had good race pace. Of course, we'll find out who's right over the course of the season.
There was much pre-season chuntering about Haas being very akin to last year's Ferrari. The Haas response was that the differing wheelbase between the cars means every aero part is new. It is looking good for them this year.0 -
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I think that would be a great topic and I'd imagine the editors would agree.Dura_Ace said:
The tories aren't intrinsically worse than Labour they have just had the misfortune to be in the incumbents when some of the monumentally bad decisions were made. They do dress up defence matters in Sturm und Drang nationalism more than Labour which is an insult to the intelligence.rkrkrk said:<
This post made me chuckle.
I'd be very interested in reading a thread header on defence and the Tories' record on it if you have the time!
I might do a header on defence policy and how it impinges on the next GE if the editors will entertain it.
I don't doubt that Labour have their fair share of disastrous decisions when it comes defence!
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Yes the Tories have now scrapped the dementia tax policy but Corbyn is still committed to reversing Osborne's inheritance tax cutMarqueeMark said:
Those who were banking on getting there hands on their folks property were most appalled. Somewhat ironic that Corbyn benefitted most from the money-grubbing 40-50s who balked at losing their inheritance. Whether they will give him such a free ride (and their vote) when they realise he will take away everything else they treasure is yet to be seen....HYUFD said:
It wasn't having a few more grammar schools that was that unpopular, a plurality support that and a majority of Tories, nor even fox hunting, Cameron backed a free vote on it after all and won a majority and those most opposed to it tend to be left wing.Roger said:You can't help thinking that however well May is doing in the lead up to the next election it'll still end up like one of those alzheimer jokes. She'll suddenly remember fox hunting and grammar schools
The dementia tax was the policy which saw the biggest shift away from Tories the whole campaign and that was because a policy of taking your house to pay for personal care was deeply unpopular with Tories who either hold significant assets or were set to inherit them0 -
I think that is YOUR Golden Rule, a comfort blanket for you rather than an immutable law.Mortimer said:
Remember the golden rule of Brexit....Anazina said:
May will be thankful if your fellow young fogey eurosceptics are as credulous as you!Mortimer said:
Given this is an entirely imaginary concept, I suspect he'll be fine with it.Anazina said:Do we have countdown timer on how long before Jacob Pea-Soup pops whining about May’s decision to sign up to the Customs Union until the 12th of Never?
Might be worth reading the PMs words, rather than believing the spin of Remainers desperate to give up our rights by remaining in a customs union despite having a huge trade deficit with the EU in goods.
She said timetables might shift, which as a businessman I fully support, not that we're signing up to something indefinitely.0 -
Unfortunately the problem of funding adult social care hasn't gone away as any local authority senior finance officer will tell you. Gloating about political advantage doesn't obviate your Party's responsibility as the Government of the day from seeking to find some sensible and equitable solutions to the problem which successive Governments have failed to tackle.HYUFD said:
Yes the Tories have now scrapped the dementia tax policy but Corbyn is still committed to reversing Osborne's inheritance tax cut
The much-trumpeted "long term funding plan" for the NHS is just words or meaningless platitudes until we see some serious proposals. Yes, we all want security for NHS funding but that starts with having adequate funds.
A cross-party call for a 1p rise in Income Tax (and NI as well) to fund NHS care is surely something to be supported.
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Yes please do such a thread.Dura_Ace said:
The tories aren't intrinsically worse than Labour they have just had the misfortune to be in the incumbents when some of the monumentally bad decisions were made. They do dress up defence matters in Sturm und Drang nationalism more than Labour which is an insult to the intelligence.rkrkrk said:<
This post made me chuckle.
I'd be very interested in reading a thread header on defence and the Tories' record on it if you have the time!
I might do a header on defence policy and how it impinges on the next GE if the editors will entertain it.0 -
Everyone interested in rise of Corbynism should read this:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/03/combat-left-anti-semitism-corbynism-must-change-way-it-sees-world
I am left wondering what happens when he and his followers don't change and they make into power?0 -
This is one of those Schrödinger's positions from Remainers. Trade negotiations can't be done in under nine years, but we should know the outcome 18 months in.MarqueeMark said:
Did they really need to spend all that money? We already know what we voted for.CarlottaVance said:All those LEAVE FT & Guardian readers.....
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/978892758009237504
Xenophobia, of course...0 -
How many 1p rises does it take to get to the peak of the Laffer curve?stodge said:
Unfortunately the problem of funding adult social care hasn't gone away as any local authority senior finance officer will tell you. Gloating about political advantage doesn't obviate your Party's responsibility as the Government of the day from seeking to find some sensible and equitable solutions to the problem which successive Governments have failed to tackle.HYUFD said:
Yes the Tories have now scrapped the dementia tax policy but Corbyn is still committed to reversing Osborne's inheritance tax cut
The much-trumpeted "long term funding plan" for the NHS is just words or meaningless platitudes until we see some serious proposals. Yes, we all want security for NHS funding but that starts with having adequate funds.
A cross-party call for a 1p rise in Income Tax (and NI as well) to fund NHS care is surely something to be supported.
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Morning all
On topic, the first leader to leave will be Vince Cable. He is only a caretaker leader and nothing he has said or done recently has changed that one iota.
Hopefully there will be a contest between Jo Swinson and Layla Moran for the leadership. I know which way I would vote at the moment but obviously hustings are there for a reason.
No doubt I will now be told the LDs are a irrelevance, both candidates (and indeed any aspiring LD leadership candidate) is or are useless, the Party's useless etc, etc so don't bother
As a bet in a betting market, VInce Cable to be the first leader out..0 -
Phil Speakman plainly sees other members of the Labour Party as the true enemy.kle4 said:
Curious of them, given Corbyn admits a party problem, yet some of those who support him still refuse to accept it. Meaning they are operating against Oh Jeremy when they say it.rottenborough said:And so it goes on:
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/978899903790419968
and a typical response from the Cult:
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Even most Tory voters support a rise in National Insurance to pay for more funding for the NHS and social care. That is a completely different kettle of fish to the disastrous dementia taxstodge said:
Unfortunately the problem of funding adult social care hasn't gone away as any local authority senior finance officer will tell you. Gloating about political advantage doesn't obviate your Party's responsibility as the Government of the day from seeking to find some sensible and equitable solutions to the problem which successive Governments have failed to tackle.HYUFD said:
Yes the Tories have now scrapped the dementia tax policy but Corbyn is still committed to reversing Osborne's inheritance tax cut
The much-trumpeted "long term funding plan" for the NHS is just words or meaningless platitudes until we see some serious proposals. Yes, we all want security for NHS funding but that starts with having adequate funds.
A cross-party call for a 1p rise in Income Tax (and NI as well) to fund NHS care is surely something to be supported.0 -
@GuidoFawkes: Corbyn Anti-Semitic Facebook Groups Running Total: 5 https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/9789109825704304640
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Alternatively, I’m sure you will support the saved EU membership fees going to the NHS....stodge said:
Unfortunately the problem of funding adult social care hasn't gone away as any local authority senior finance officer will tell you. Gloating about political advantage doesn't obviate your Party's responsibility as the Government of the day from seeking to find some sensible and equitable solutions to the problem which successive Governments have failed to tackle.HYUFD said:
Yes the Tories have now scrapped the dementia tax policy but Corbyn is still committed to reversing Osborne's inheritance tax cut
The much-trumpeted "long term funding plan" for the NHS is just words or meaningless platitudes until we see some serious proposals. Yes, we all want security for NHS funding but that starts with having adequate funds.
A cross-party call for a 1p rise in Income Tax (and NI as well) to fund NHS care is surely something to be supported.0 -
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Backing Corbyn next PM (Even if you don't think he will be... he ought to be 2-1 longest come 2022), laying May to go (shortly) and backing 2022 GE/laying 2018 GE are all ways to cash in.Anazina said:So PB has concluded that it is The Maybot vs The Absolute Boy : The Rematch in 2022.
Is there a market for such a pairing and timetable?0 -
God knows what contortions the cult are going through to ignore the fact that the anointed one has now said there is a big problem in the party.Sean_F said:
Phil Speakman plainly sees other members of the Labour Party as the true enemy.kle4 said:
Curious of them, given Corbyn admits a party problem, yet some of those who support him still refuse to accept it. Meaning they are operating against Oh Jeremy when they say it.rottenborough said:And so it goes on:
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/978899903790419968
and a typical response from the Cult:
https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/978903696473026560
Probably something along the lines of he never actually said those words, the fake media made it up, or perhaps lizard people took over his vocal chords for the day etc etc0 -
A 1p income tax or ni increase hardly seems fair for working people to be saddled even further funding today’s pensioners who are probably substantially more asset rich than they are.MarqueeMark said:
Alternatively, I’m sure you will support the saved EU membership fees going to the NHS....stodge said:
U.HYUFD said:
Yes the Tories have now scrapped the dementia tax policy but Corbyn is still committed to reversing Osborne's inheritance tax cut
A cross-party call for a 1p rise in Income Tax (and NI as well) to fund NHS care is surely something to be supported.
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geoffw said:
How many 1p rises does it take to get to the peak of the Laffer curve?stodge said:
Unfortunately the problem of funding adult social care hasn't gone away as any local authority senior finance officer will tell you. Gloating about political advantage doesn't obviate your Party's responsibility as the Government of the day from seeking to find some sensible and equitable solutions to the problem which successive Governments have failed to tackle.HYUFD said:
Yes the Tories have now scrapped the dementia tax policy but Corbyn is still committed to reversing Osborne's inheritance tax cut
The much-trumpeted "long term funding plan" for the NHS is just words or meaningless platitudes until we see some serious proposals. Yes, we all want security for NHS funding but that starts with having adequate funds.
A cross-party call for a 1p rise in Income Tax (and NI as well) to fund NHS care is surely something to be supported.
Probably substantially more than we have now. 20p in the pound is current rate with £11k personal alllownce. You could add another 5p to that without really hitting the ladder curve. It’s not done because conservatives (and labour who like to win general elections) see keeping income tax at the rate it is a political imperative rather than economic one. The higher rate and top rate however are most certainly at the curve.0 -
Those over 65 still working are also likely to be included in any NI risenotme said:
A 1p income tax or ni increase hardly seems fair for working people to be saddled even further funding today’s pensioners who are probably substantially more asset rich than they are.MarqueeMark said:
Alternatively, I’m sure you will support the saved EU membership fees going to the NHS....stodge said:
U.HYUFD said:
Yes the Tories have now scrapped the dementia tax policy but Corbyn is still committed to reversing Osborne's inheritance tax cut
A cross-party call for a 1p rise in Income Tax (and NI as well) to fund NHS care is surely something to be supported.0 -
That works both ways, of course.kle4 said:
The thing is the spin of continuity remainers can match up with the fears of ultra Brexiters sometimes, even if both are mistaken.Mortimer said:
Given this is an entirely imaginary concept, I suspect he'll be fine with it.Anazina said:Do we have countdown timer on how long before Jacob Pea-Soup pops whining about May’s decision to sign up to the Customs Union until the 12th of Never?
Might be worth reading the PMs words, rather than believing the spin of Remainers desperate to give up our rights by remaining in a customs union despite having a huge trade deficit with the EU in goods.
She said timetables might shift, which as a businessman I fully support, not that we're signing up to something indefinitely.
Whenever, in the past, UK eurosceptics were accused of being foaming loons because they said there was a conspiracy to form a United States of Europe, there were plenty of people on the federalist side saying precisely that; they fed off each other. Add in the evidence of the treaties giving ever closer levels of integration, and symbols like Presidents and constitutions, and future declarations of intent, and hey presto. You’ve got a serious Brexit movement.
It’s the actions of the European federalists who gave the BOO’ers the credibility to win, even if they are too blind to see it.0 -
That’s the stereotype, but if you actually attend any hunts you will see a very broad social mix of people, all of whom are animal lovers.CD13 said:Fox-hunting is way down most people's list of things to obsess about. Anecdotally, or rather non-anecdotally, I've never heard it discussed by real people. It seems to be a peculiar hobby of some posh, horsey people.
Foxes are slightly below fluffy bunnies on the nice animal groupings. If they need controlling, chasing them round the countryside before setting dogs on them seems overly cruel. But for those who do obsess about it, I've no doubt it's their major pre-occupation in life.
I have no issue whatsoever with hunting, but it’s clear this is a lost cause now. Sadly.
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Please do so. I’d enjoy it.Dura_Ace said:
The tories aren't intrinsically worse than Labour they have just had the misfortune to be in the incumbents when some of the monumentally bad decisions were made. They do dress up defence matters in Sturm und Drang nationalism more than Labour which is an insult to the intelligence.rkrkrk said:<
This post made me chuckle.
I'd be very interested in reading a thread header on defence and the Tories' record on it if you have the time!
I might do a header on defence policy and how it impinges on the next GE if the editors will entertain it.0 -
I think one way to look at it is "if we can give the NHS £4bn per year then we can give the military £4bn per year". At least that's how Tory backbenchers will see it.Casino_Royale said:
There’s no need to be rude. I influence as much as I am able by writing letters and highlighting the issue.Dura_Ace said:
Yeah, but you're not the defence secretary; the fireplace salesman is. So it's the actual record not your personal fantasy football defence policy that'll have to be defended and justified in the 2022 GE if the tories want to make national security a major platform.Casino_Royale said:
No-one is more angry about the defence cuts than me. I even refused to renew my Tory party membership over it in 2011, and didn’t rejoin until 2015.Dura_Ace said:
Tory defence personnel cuts:Casino_Royale said:
There is an opportunity for the Conservatives to play a balanced approach to the economy, investment in public services and keeping taxes reasonable, in GE2022, whilst contrasting with Corbyn's recklessness on the economy and national security.
RN: 6,000 cut down to 29,000
RAF: 6,500 cut down to 31,500
Army: 8,000 cut down to 94,000
And that's before we get into any of the hardware and services procurement incompetence.
What does 'reckless' look like compared to that record?
I’ve laid out my own thoughts on hire on a rise in defence spending to 2025, and I’d also support a “global security and development” budget of 3% of GDP post Brexit that would cover defence, international development, and the foreign and commonwealth office.
I sense there’s a change of mood on the Tory backbenches. We’ll see what happens in the Budget and next year.0
