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Perhaps up the age of Lastday from 30 though, for all our sakes...Anorak said:
Logan's Run. Problem sorted.Foxy said:
40 Acres and a mule was the pledge for freed slaves after the US Civil War.Pulpstar said:
Hmm I think its enough. THe rule for horses is two acres for the first, then an acre per horse thereafter.View_From_Cumbria said:
Three acres is not enough for a cow unless you are buying in a lot of feed.Blue_rog said:
I still dream of 3 acres and a cowAlastairMeeks said:
In central London you can find enough luxury blocks of flats. But you don't need to go beyond 5 or 6 storey mansion blocks. Kensington & Chelsea is one of the most densely populated boroughs in the country. It is also the most expensive for property.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
There are three dimensions, one ofMarqueeMark said:
But as we are all getting bigger - witness your bum for evidence of that - we are at least moving to a point where full or overcrowded are closer than at any point in history....AlastairMeeks said:
Also, the number of seats on the bus are not fixed. Britain had a population of maybe 6000 in 5000BC and 3 million in Roman times, 10.5 million in 1801, 38 million in 1901 and is currently estimated at 65 million. There is no particular reason to assume that it has suddenly become full or overcrowded.Torby_Fennel said:
That's not a very useful analogy. If the bus journey is a nation then it's a nation with only one permanent resident where the number of immigrants and emigrants are precisely equal.Ishmael_Z said:
And if you on an overcrowded bus you would prefer that no one else got on, and this is not because of an irrational dislike of the sort of people who are not currently on the bus. It is mystifying how hard this point is for otherwise apparently intelligent people to grasp.
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That's right. Because everyone loves living in tower blocks.
150 years ago everyone dreamed of 3 acres and a cow. Tastes change with time and education.
On the subject of population growth, I never tire of posting these ONS population stats, The extra home that we need are the old folks homes. One advantage of stopping migration, is that it would free up a lot of closed schools and workplaces for these. Who would staff them might be an issue:
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Apparently this is an extraordinary and vindictive personal attack, according to 16 Labour MPs:
I was not introduced to Shahmir Sanni or Darren Grimes by Chris Wylie as he is claiming, but by a mutual friend from university. Shahmir became an occasional volunteer for Vote Leave and other leave campaigns, and we began a personal relationship. We subsequently dated for 18 months, splitting up – I thought amicably – in September 2017. That is the capacity in which I gave Shahmir advice and encouragement, and I can understand if the lines became blurred for him, but I am clear that I did not direct the activities of any separate campaign groups. I had no responsibility for digital campaigning or donations during the referendum, and am confident that Vote Leave acted entirely within the law and strict spending rules at all times
No, me neither. Apparently Mr Sanni thinks it's OK to accuse his ex-boyfriend in public of a criminal act, but not OK for his ex-boyfriend to respond with an explanation of the context.
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May: "We will be looking within the EU to enhance our capability to respond to CBRN incidents."
No sign of leaving there.0 -
Good news for those opposed to a Labour government.The_Apocalypse said:This rival demo thing makes me think more than ever that Corbyn’s position within Labour is strong. The fact they are that determined to defend Corbyn even on this says a lot. I think it’s a similar effect to Trump: the press attacks only make the base determined to support him even more.
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@rottenborough There is definitely a cult like element to Corbyn’s core support, although obviously not all Labour voters are like that.
The Paxman interview was a prime example of what you say. This is why Corbyn’s opponents, as well as offering a compelling alternative should focus their attacks on policy.Foxy said:
I think also that all the demonisation can be counter productive. This was overdone last year, so when Jezza did appear on TV during the campaign without horns, tail and trident, and indeed seemed calm and reasonable, it discredited the attackers, not Corbyn.The_Apocalypse said:This rival demo thing makes me think more than ever that Corbyn’s position within Labour is strong. The fact they are that determined to defend Corbyn even on this says a lot. I think it’s a similar effect to Trump: the press attacks only make the base determined to support him even more.
Corbyn does not do personal attacks, he sticks to policy, and that comes over well.0 -
Isn't that true from person one, fifty thousand years ago, to person 65 million, last year?View_From_Cumbria said:an increase in population has meant that formerly open land has been built on.
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Lol - 58 sq metres is plenty for one man and a cat !Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
If only they had painted this offended bus red they might have got somewhere. People like red buses.Richard_Nabavi said:Apparently this is an extraordinary and vindictive personal attack, according to 16 Labour MPs:
I was not introduced to Shahmir Sanni or Darren Grimes by Chris Wylie as he is claiming, but by a mutual friend from university. Shahmir became an occasional volunteer for Vote Leave and other leave campaigns, and we began a personal relationship. We subsequently dated for 18 months, splitting up – I thought amicably – in September 2017. That is the capacity in which I gave Shahmir advice and encouragement, and I can understand if the lines became blurred for him, but I am clear that I did not direct the activities of any separate campaign groups. I had no responsibility for digital campaigning or donations during the referendum, and am confident that Vote Leave acted entirely within the law and strict spending rules at all times
No, me neither. Apparently Mr Sanni thinks it's OK to accuse his ex-boyfriend in public of a criminal act, but not OK for his ex-boyfriend to respond with an explanation of the context.
https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/978304253797261312/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw0 -
Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.0
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Yes, 50 sq metres for the cat and 8 for the man.Pulpstar said:
Lol - 58 sq metres is plenty for one man and a cat !Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
Did Parkinson realise he was outing Shahmir? If not should he have done?Richard_Nabavi said:Apparently this is an extraordinary and vindictive personal attack, according to 16 Labour MPs:
I was not introduced to Shahmir Sanni or Darren Grimes by Chris Wylie as he is claiming, but by a mutual friend from university. Shahmir became an occasional volunteer for Vote Leave and other leave campaigns, and we began a personal relationship. We subsequently dated for 18 months, splitting up – I thought amicably – in September 2017. That is the capacity in which I gave Shahmir advice and encouragement, and I can understand if the lines became blurred for him, but I am clear that I did not direct the activities of any separate campaign groups. I had no responsibility for digital campaigning or donations during the referendum, and am confident that Vote Leave acted entirely within the law and strict spending rules at all times
No, me neither. Apparently Mr Sanni thinks it's OK to accuse his ex-boyfriend in public of a criminal act, but not OK for his ex-boyfriend to respond with an explanation of the context.
https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/978304253797261312/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw0 -
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/978310693677162496
Corbyn has a chance to re-iterate his line on Russia.0 -
58 sq.m. is very generous for a one bed flat?Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, 50 sq metres for the cat and 8 for the man.Pulpstar said:
Lol - 58 sq metres is plenty for one man and a cat !Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
I would have thought the Brexit vote would have taught the liberal left that uncontrolled immigration has gone too far for most voters but clearly not in your caseAnorak said:
Those goalposts look heavy.HYUFD said:
No as also pointed out earlier Blair had opened the floodgates to non EU immigration even before the Eastern European nations joined the EU and he let them in without transition controls and the biggest growth in house prices came in his premiershipAnorak said:
So the 2004 --> 2007 rise is all down to furreners, whereas the previous decade of growth, er, wasn't.HYUFD said:
So house prices still rose every year from 2004 to a 2007 peak of £180 000 yes and in all those years there was free movement from Eastern European nationswilliamglenn said:
EU expansion was May 2004. The fastest growth in house prices was before then.
It looks very much like you are applying your personal prejudices to explain a short period without considering the rest of the data.0 -
That implies the Skripals might make some sort of recovery, which actually sounds like good news.The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/978310693677162496
Corbyn has a chance to re-iterate his line on Russia.0 -
He just stands with the billionaire Russian President insteadrottenborough said:0 -
It should begin at my-age-plus-one, and then rise every year. It's the only method that makes sense.Foxy said:
Perhaps up the age of Lastday from 30 though, for all our sakes...Anorak said:
Logan's Run. Problem sorted.Foxy said:40 Acres and a mule was the pledge for freed slaves after the US Civil War.
On the subject of population growth, I never tire of posting these ONS population stats, The extra home that we need are the old folks homes. One advantage of stopping migration, is that it would free up a lot of closed schools and workplaces for these. Who would staff them might be an issue:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/978302412363624448?s=19
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Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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I've no idea, but if Shahmir Sanni didn't want publicity, perhaps he shouldn't have plastered himself all over the Observer with a story in which his ex-relationship is a key part of the context.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Did Parkinson realise he was outing Shahmir? If not should he have done?Richard_Nabavi said:Apparently this is an extraordinary and vindictive personal attack, according to 16 Labour MPs:
I was not introduced to Shahmir Sanni or Darren Grimes by Chris Wylie as he is claiming, but by a mutual friend from university. Shahmir became an occasional volunteer for Vote Leave and other leave campaigns, and we began a personal relationship. We subsequently dated for 18 months, splitting up – I thought amicably – in September 2017. That is the capacity in which I gave Shahmir advice and encouragement, and I can understand if the lines became blurred for him, but I am clear that I did not direct the activities of any separate campaign groups. I had no responsibility for digital campaigning or donations during the referendum, and am confident that Vote Leave acted entirely within the law and strict spending rules at all times
No, me neither. Apparently Mr Sanni thinks it's OK to accuse his ex-boyfriend in public of a criminal act, but not OK for his ex-boyfriend to respond with an explanation of the context.
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It taught people that the perception of uncontrolled immigration could be manipulated to appeal to the worst instincts of many.HYUFD said:
I would have thought the Brexit vote would have taught the liberal left that uncontrolled immigration has gone too far for most voters but clearly not in your caseAnorak said:
Those goalposts look heavy.HYUFD said:No as also pointed out earlier Blair had opened the floodgates to non EU immigration even before the Eastern European nations joined the EU and he let them in without transition controls and the biggest growth in house prices came in his premiership
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I think there many problems with these attacks on CorbynFoxy said:
I think also that all the demonisation can be counter productive. This was overdone last year, so when Jezza did appear on TV during the campaign without horns, tail and trident, and indeed seemed calm and reasonable, it discredited the attackers, not Corbyn.The_Apocalypse said:This rival demo thing makes me think more than ever that Corbyn’s position within Labour is strong. The fact they are that determined to defend Corbyn even on this says a lot. I think it’s a similar effect to Trump: the press attacks only make the base determined to support him even more.
Corbyn does not do personal attacks, he sticks to policy, and that comes over well.
1. Most people don't see Jews as victims.
2. Trying to paint Corbyn as a racist doesn't fly.
3. The rise of the Settler Movement Israel has been seen as the darling of the right-wing particularly in the US and the UK. The enemies of Corbyn and unpopular with most Western democracies
4. The Palestinian movement has strong sympathy among sections of British Jewry
5. The Board of Deputies have very limited support and are best known for having Grenville Janner as their president0 -
Do you live in social housing?Anorak said:
It taught people that the perception of uncontrolled immigration could be manipulated to appeal to the worst instincts of many.HYUFD said:
I would have thought the Brexit vote would have taught the liberal left that uncontrolled immigration has gone too far for most voters but clearly not in your caseAnorak said:
Those goalposts look heavy.HYUFD said:No as also pointed out earlier Blair had opened the floodgates to non EU immigration even before the Eastern European nations joined the EU and he let them in without transition controls and the biggest growth in house prices came in his premiership
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Nice to see dear old Argclu out and about. I was wondering what had happened to her.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Did Parkinson realise he was outing Shahmir? If not should he have done?Richard_Nabavi said:Apparently this is an extraordinary and vindictive personal attack, according to 16 Labour MPs:
I was not introduced to Shahmir Sanni or Darren Grimes by Chris Wylie as he is claiming, but by a mutual friend from university. Shahmir became an occasional volunteer for Vote Leave and other leave campaigns, and we began a personal relationship. We subsequently dated for 18 months, splitting up – I thought amicably – in September 2017. That is the capacity in which I gave Shahmir advice and encouragement, and I can understand if the lines became blurred for him, but I am clear that I did not direct the activities of any separate campaign groups. I had no responsibility for digital campaigning or donations during the referendum, and am confident that Vote Leave acted entirely within the law and strict spending rules at all times
No, me neither. Apparently Mr Sanni thinks it's OK to accuse his ex-boyfriend in public of a criminal act, but not OK for his ex-boyfriend to respond with an explanation of the context.
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I have done. Why?Ishmael_Z said:
Do you live in social housing?Anorak said:
It taught people that the perception of uncontrolled immigration could be manipulated to appeal to the worst instincts of many.HYUFD said:
I would have thought the Brexit vote would have taught the liberal left that uncontrolled immigration has gone too far for most voters but clearly not in your caseAnorak said:
Those goalposts look heavy.HYUFD said:No as also pointed out earlier Blair had opened the floodgates to non EU immigration even before the Eastern European nations joined the EU and he let them in without transition controls and the biggest growth in house prices came in his premiership
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It's the way you tell 'em, Roger. I certainly can't think of any incidents in modern history in which any Jews could be perceived as victims. Not one.Roger said:
I think there many problems with these attacks on CorbynFoxy said:
I think also that all the demonisation can be counter productive. This was overdone last year, so when Jezza did appear on TV during the campaign without horns, tail and trident, and indeed seemed calm and reasonable, it discredited the attackers, not Corbyn.The_Apocalypse said:This rival demo thing makes me think more than ever that Corbyn’s position within Labour is strong. The fact they are that determined to defend Corbyn even on this says a lot. I think it’s a similar effect to Trump: the press attacks only make the base determined to support him even more.
Corbyn does not do personal attacks, he sticks to policy, and that comes over well.
1. Most people don't see Jews as victims.
2. Trying to paint Corbyn as a racist doesn't fly.
3. The rise of the Settler Movement Israel has been seen as the darling of the right-wing particularly in the US and the UK. The enemies of Corbyn and unpopular with most Western democracies
4. The Palestinian movement has strong sympathy among sections of British Jewry
5. The Board of Deputies have very limited support and are best known for having Grenville Janner as their president0 -
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
Because if you don't (and if you aren't also dependent on state education and the NHS) you aren't in a position to be giving it large about the effects of uncontrolled immigration on those who are.Anorak said:
I have done. Why?Ishmael_Z said:
Do you live in social housing?Anorak said:
It taught people that the perception of uncontrolled immigration could be manipulated to appeal to the worst instincts of many.HYUFD said:
I would have thought the Brexit vote would have taught the liberal left that uncontrolled immigration has gone too far for most voters but clearly not in your caseAnorak said:
Those goalposts look heavy.HYUFD said:No as also pointed out earlier Blair had opened the floodgates to non EU immigration even before the Eastern European nations joined the EU and he let them in without transition controls and the biggest growth in house prices came in his premiership
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No it taught them the liberal left elite could not care less about the decline in their wages and the pressure on services and housing and the reduction in community cohesion they faced by uncontrolled immigration as long as they increased 'diversity' and their client voteAnorak said:
It taught people that the perception of uncontrolled immigration could be manipulated to appeal to the worst instincts of many.HYUFD said:
I would have thought the Brexit vote would have taught the liberal left that uncontrolled immigration has gone too far for most voters but clearly not in your caseAnorak said:
Those goalposts look heavy.HYUFD said:No as also pointed out earlier Blair had opened the floodgates to non EU immigration even before the Eastern European nations joined the EU and he let them in without transition controls and the biggest growth in house prices came in his premiership
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This being the internet I can hold forth on whatever the fuck I like, and I don't have to justify "being in a position to do so" to anyone.Ishmael_Z said:
Because if you don't (and if you aren't also dependent on state education and the NHS) you aren't in a position to be giving it large about the effects of uncontrolled immigration on those who are.Anorak said:
I have done. Why?Ishmael_Z said:
Do you live in social housing?Anorak said:
It taught people that the perception of uncontrolled immigration could be manipulated to appeal to the worst instincts of many.HYUFD said:
I would have thought the Brexit vote would have taught the liberal left that uncontrolled immigration has gone too far for most voters but clearly not in your caseAnorak said:
Those goalposts look heavy.HYUFD said:No as also pointed out earlier Blair had opened the floodgates to non EU immigration even before the Eastern European nations joined the EU and he let them in without transition controls and the biggest growth in house prices came in his premiership
There also seem to be very few topics which you don't have a strong opinion on. Your qualifications for having them must be quite magnificent.0 -
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
That seems fair.Also I believe his opponents believed his personal stance on nuclear weapons would hurt him.However I believe that issue is not as potent as it once was.Many people from all sides now question their previously held opinions.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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Good points, well made.Anorak said:
This being the internet I can hold forth on whatever the fuck I like, and I don't have to justify "being in a position to do so" to anyone.Ishmael_Z said:
Because if you don't (and if you aren't also dependent on state education and the NHS) you aren't in a position to be giving it large about the effects of uncontrolled immigration on those who are.Anorak said:
I have done. Why?Ishmael_Z said:
Do you live in social housing?Anorak said:
It taught people that the perception of uncontrolled immigration could be manipulated to appeal to the worst instincts of many.HYUFD said:
I would have thought the Brexit vote would have taught the liberal left that uncontrolled immigration has gone too far for most voters but clearly not in your caseAnorak said:
Those goalposts look heavy.HYUFD said:No as also pointed out earlier Blair had opened the floodgates to non EU immigration even before the Eastern European nations joined the EU and he let them in without transition controls and the biggest growth in house prices came in his premiership
There also seem to be very few topics which you don't have a strong opinion on. Your qualifications for having them must be quite magnificent.0 -
It’s remarkable how keen MPs, including Ben Bradshaw of all people, are anxious to defer to conservative Islamic views on homosexuality. The idea that family members (as opposed to gay people themselves) are somehow endangered by this is ridiculous.Richard_Nabavi said:Apparently this is an extraordinary and vindictive personal attack, according to 16 Labour MPs:
I was not introduced to Shahmir Sanni or Darren Grimes by Chris Wylie as he is claiming, but by a mutual friend from university. Shahmir became an occasional volunteer for Vote Leave and other leave campaigns, and we began a personal relationship. We subsequently dated for 18 months, splitting up – I thought amicably – in September 2017. That is the capacity in which I gave Shahmir advice and encouragement, and I can understand if the lines became blurred for him, but I am clear that I did not direct the activities of any separate campaign groups. I had no responsibility for digital campaigning or donations during the referendum, and am confident that Vote Leave acted entirely within the law and strict spending rules at all times
No, me neither. Apparently Mr Sanni thinks it's OK to accuse his ex-boyfriend in public of a criminal act, but not OK for his ex-boyfriend to respond with an explanation of the context.
https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/978304253797261312/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
The best way to tackle homophobia is to show that gay people are part of most families and are usually quite unremarkable, rather than dangerous foreign agents.
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When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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Bit grumpy here. Let's try and keep it civil, chaps.
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I doubt that there's any political cost to Corbyn's antisemitism thing - it's pretty obvious at this point that racism, unless it's very overt, doesn't really move votes (as the Trump campaign manager said, "there's a difference between what offends you and what affects you").
However, morally, it's not good at all, and I won't lie it does make me feel a tad more uncomfortable about being a Labour member. Too many left-wingers just think that a group who are "white", and who are on average higher up the income scale, can't possibly be oppressed. Whilst I can believe Corbyn didn't study that mural properly before he made his comment, I'm pretty sure that, if the faces on it were brown, or if it was being promoted by people with a history of making (at best) questionable comments about Muslims, he would've studied it rather more closely before he weighed in to defend it.
I hope that he really reflects on himself and some of his instincts. In an ideal world, perhaps he'll reflect on how antisemitism still being so prevalent is a very good argument for why a Jewish state should exist, as a safe haven - but I won't hold my breath on that one.0 -
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
Iraq, surely?IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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2005 and, arguably, 1997? Along with 2017, of course.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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Agreed. Though as it happens I don't like them as individuals.Elliot said:
You are again falling into the trap of equating the overall scale of something with dislike of the individuals involved. Just because I think we need to stop recruiting middle managers at my workplace does not mean I dislike the individuals doing the job.TOPPING said:
People apparently like high skilled immigrants and don't like low skilled immigrants. How are the poor people of the UK to know whether, given a random immigrant, they should like or dislike them?Tykejohnno said:
I'm getting worried for you Topping,leave the EU seems to be sending you off the scale.TOPPING said:
And then use some kind of system to denote those immigrants who are low skilled, a badge or something.Elliot said:I have long believed people would become more positive and comfortable with immigration when the numbers are brought down and it's limited to the high skilled. I often wonder whether the way to drop the net immigration target is to break immigration numbers into high vs low skilled, with separate targets.
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There are some powerful trends driving rising household size. The rising ethnic population (only marginally due to immigration) is one factor, with larger families (more children and greater tendency to cohabit with elderly family members). The greater tendency for students to return to the family home after university is another. In some parts of the country, these trends have enabled significant population growth despite only modest increases in the number of households (as for example in East London). Contrarywise divorces amongst the middle aged and conversions to HMO (often for young visiting East Europeans) increases the number of households, in the first instance leaving population unchanged.rcs1000 said:
I'll email you the dataset when I'm done. But in summary, there is a surprisingly weak correlation between population growth and household growth. Growth in number of households tracks ok. Population growth does poorly.Elliot said:
What about the population to housing stock ratio? Short term effects will always have a stronger correlation in the data, but it does not mean they are the most important long term drivers.
I don't have a housing stock dataset to use. Do you have one?
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That’s just because all the foreigners who live here are skewing the poll.CarlottaVance said:Quick reality check:
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Can we see your ARSE for that election without Iraq?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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I think it shifts small number of votes, but it is not decisive.Danny565 said:I doubt that there's any political cost to Corbyn's antisemitism thing - it's pretty obvious at this point that racism, unless it's very overt, doesn't really move votes (as the Trump campaign manager said, "there's a difference between what offends you and what affects you").
However, morally, it's not good at all, and I won't lie it does make me feel a tad more uncomfortable about being a Labour member. Too many left-wingers just think that a group who are "white", and who are on average higher up the income scale, can't possibly be oppressed. Whilst I can believe Corbyn didn't study that mural properly before he made his comment, I'm pretty sure that, if the faces on it were brown, or if it was being promoted by people with a history of making (at best) questionable comments about Muslims, he would've studied it rather more closely before he weighed in to defend it.
I hope that he really reflects on himself and some of his instincts. In an ideal world, perhaps he'll reflect on how antisemitism still being so prevalent is a very good argument for why a Jewish state should exist, as a safe haven - but I won't hold my breath on that one.0 -
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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My ARSE was a weapon of mass destruction and as you know none was found in Iraq.tlg86 said:
Can we see your ARSE for that election without Iraq?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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Yes you must.IanB2 said:
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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In my view, this row is very personal.Richard_Nabavi said:Apparently this is an extraordinary and vindictive personal attack, according to 16 Labour MPs:
I was not introduced to Shahmir Sanni or Darren Grimes by Chris Wylie as he is claiming, but by a mutual friend from university. Shahmir became an occasional volunteer for Vote Leave and other leave campaigns, and we began a personal relationship. We subsequently dated for 18 months, splitting up – I thought amicably – in September 2017. That is the capacity in which I gave Shahmir advice and encouragement, and I can understand if the lines became blurred for him, but I am clear that I did not direct the activities of any separate campaign groups. I had no responsibility for digital campaigning or donations during the referendum, and am confident that Vote Leave acted entirely within the law and strict spending rules at all times
No, me neither. Apparently Mr Sanni thinks it's OK to accuse his ex-boyfriend in public of a criminal act, but not OK for his ex-boyfriend to respond with an explanation of the context.
https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/978304253797261312/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw0 -
I wasn't thinking of the current anti-semitism furore, so much as the generality. I think that Corbyn does have a certain sort of eccentric British charm, and good manners that go down well. Tony Benn was the same, only with stronger intellect and rhetoric. These are not attributes that would transfer well to the next in line.Roger said:
I think there many problems with these attacks on CorbynFoxy said:
I think also that all the demonisation can be counter productive. This was overdone last year, so when Jezza did appear on TV during the campaign without horns, tail and trident, and indeed seemed calm and reasonable, it discredited the attackers, not Corbyn.The_Apocalypse said:This rival demo thing makes me think more than ever that Corbyn’s position within Labour is strong. The fact they are that determined to defend Corbyn even on this says a lot. I think it’s a similar effect to Trump: the press attacks only make the base determined to support him even more.
Corbyn does not do personal attacks, he sticks to policy, and that comes over well.
1. Most people don't see Jews as victims.
2. Trying to paint Corbyn as a racist doesn't fly.
3. The rise of the Settler Movement Israel has been seen as the darling of the right-wing particularly in the US and the UK. The enemies of Corbyn and unpopular with most Western democracies
4. The Palestinian movement has strong sympathy among sections of British Jewry
5. The Board of Deputies have very limited support and are best known for having Grenville Janner as their president
Leaders are rarely replaced by an identikit successor, indeed people usually pick someone quite different. No recent party leader has been replaced with someone from the same background and wing of the party.0 -
The 2005 election puzzled me. Charlie Kennedy launched his campaign at my Sixth Form College. You'd have thought after Iraq the focus would have been on removing Labour MPs. But no, he thought the place to start was Godalming.JackW said:
Yes you must.IanB2 said:
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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I am suggesting that a message cobbled today setting out Corbyn's opposition to the stateless rich is as deafening a dogwhistle as you will ever hear.Roger said:
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
Do you think he means "Citizens of Nowhere"?Ishmael_Z said:
I am suggesting that a message cobbled today setting out Corbyn's opposition to the stateless rich is as deafening a dogwhistle as you will ever hear.Roger said:
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
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On that subject, I think Kennedy was from the SDP, whose birthday is today:tlg86 said:
The 2005 election puzzled me. Charlie Kennedy launched his campaign at my Sixth Form College. You'd have thought after Iraq the focus would have been on removing Labour MPs. But no, he thought the place to start was Godalming.JackW said:
Yes you must.IanB2 said:
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/978146820390993920?s=19
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Surrey SW was one of the LD's top targets at the 2005 election having reduced the Tory majority to 861 in 2001.tlg86 said:
The 2005 election puzzled me. Charlie Kennedy launched his campaign at my Sixth Form College. You'd have thought after Iraq the focus would have been on removing Labour MPs. But no, he thought the place to start was Godalming.JackW said:
Yes you must.IanB2 said:
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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Yes.Foxy said:
Do you think he means "Citizens of Nowhere"?Ishmael_Z said:
I am suggesting that a message cobbled today setting out Corbyn's opposition to the stateless rich is as deafening a dogwhistle as you will ever hear.Roger said:
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
First time in quite a while I've seen Corbyn look and sound pissed off. The last time I can remember is when he was whining about the press pack not asking his questions on what he wanted to be asked about, and that was some time ago.CarlottaVance said:
He may have pretty remarkable patience given the attacks he gets (founded and otherwise), but everyone has limits I guess.
Or maybe he is finding mouthy backbenchers are less charming when you aren't one.0 -
Ouch. Corbyn really doesn't like it up 'im! Very rattled, very rattled indeed.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Well I bow to your greater sensitivity to dog whistles.Ishmael_Z said:
I am suggesting that a message cobbled today setting out Corbyn's opposition to the stateless rich is as deafening a dogwhistle as you will ever hear.Roger said:
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:
The only actual one I can think of is the long dead Robert Maxwell0 -
Can you link that ?Ishmael_Z said:
I am suggesting that a message cobbled today setting out Corbyn's opposition to the stateless rich is as deafening a dogwhistle as you will ever hear.Roger said:
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
OT -- universities and antibiotics
Here is a report on a new antibiotic undergoing tests in Singapore (hat-tip Reddit).
https://newatlas.com/new-novel-antibiotic-success-animal-testing/53943/
Note that the British lab that synthesised it is at the University of Lincoln. That's the point. High fees mean everywhere can afford world class facilities. The old view that only Oxbridge and Russell Group count is no longer valid.0 -
for those of you who actually care about antisemitism can I recommend this site
http://hurryupharry.org/
Left of center viewpoint too.
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Charles Kennedy's focus of attack was always the Tories. Even when they hadn't been in office for eight years, he'd spend what were nominally his questions to the Prime Minister sniping at the Tories.AndyJS said:
Surrey SW was one of the LD's top targets at the 2005 election having reduced the Tory majority to 861 in 2001.tlg86 said:
The 2005 election puzzled me. Charlie Kennedy launched his campaign at my Sixth Form College. You'd have thought after Iraq the focus would have been on removing Labour MPs. But no, he thought the place to start was Godalming.JackW said:
Yes you must.IanB2 said:
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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link what? I am talking about the tweeted poster in this subthread.Yorkcity said:
Can you link that ?Ishmael_Z said:
I am suggesting that a message cobbled today setting out Corbyn's opposition to the stateless rich is as deafening a dogwhistle as you will ever hear.Roger said:
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
Question Time from 26th March 1981:Foxy said:
On that subject, I think Kennedy was from the SDP, whose birthday is today:tlg86 said:
The 2005 election puzzled me. Charlie Kennedy launched his campaign at my Sixth Form College. You'd have thought after Iraq the focus would have been on removing Labour MPs. But no, he thought the place to start was Godalming.JackW said:
Yes you must.IanB2 said:
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/978146820390993920?s=19
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I think he's talking about the writing on the poster of Corbyn timed at 6.46 (or maybe 5.46 in the UK)Yorkcity said:
Can you link that ?Ishmael_Z said:
I am suggesting that a message cobbled today setting out Corbyn's opposition to the stateless rich is as deafening a dogwhistle as you will ever hear.Roger said:
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
John Woodcock's scathing intervention was followed up afterwards by a very powerful contribution from Tom Tugendhat. I can see why he is seen by some as a future leader.0
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I'm pretty sure most Facebook users didn't think they'd signed up for this:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03/facebook-acknowledges-it-kept-records-of-calls-and-texts-from-android-users.html?0 -
Tony Blair is speaking in the Houses of Parliament.
https://twitter.com/sam_lister_/status/9783345102144061440 -
My apologies I have not read anywhere Corbyn saying that.Ishmael_Z said:
link what? I am talking about the tweeted poster in this subthread.Yorkcity said:
Can you link that ?Ishmael_Z said:
I am suggesting that a message cobbled today setting out Corbyn's opposition to the stateless rich is as deafening a dogwhistle as you will ever hear.Roger said:
It would be inaccurate. I can't think of a Jewish media mogul if that was what your insidious message was suggestingIshmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
Well, party policy is to exit, in fairness.williamglenn said:Tony Blair is speaking in the Houses of Parliament.
https://twitter.com/sam_lister_/status/9783345102144061440 -
They didn't read the small print.Nigelb said:I'm pretty sure most Facebook users didn't think they'd signed up for this:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03/facebook-acknowledges-it-kept-records-of-calls-and-texts-from-android-users.html?0 -
Weren't Moguls Muslim Indian leaders?Ishmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:0 -
Mughal.JonnyJimmy said:
Weren't Moguls Muslim Indian leaders?Ishmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:
Is there a connection with the word Mogul? Genuine question.0 -
Who does? Particularly American small print, which can run into dozens and dozens of pages and clauses.AndyJS said:
They didn't read the small print.Nigelb said:I'm pretty sure most Facebook users didn't think they'd signed up for this:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03/facebook-acknowledges-it-kept-records-of-calls-and-texts-from-android-users.html?0 -
The Mossos - the Catalan police.Theuniondivvie said:It's all legal though, so that's ok.
https://twitter.com/CataloniaHelp1/status/978030175815266304
The violence will get worse IMO as the separatist alliance fragments.
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So I see, and it didn't do the LD's much good!AndyJS said:
Surrey SW was one of the LD's top targets at the 2005 election having reduced the Tory majority to 861 in 2001.tlg86 said:
The 2005 election puzzled me. Charlie Kennedy launched his campaign at my Sixth Form College. You'd have thought after Iraq the focus would have been on removing Labour MPs. But no, he thought the place to start was Godalming.JackW said:
Yes you must.IanB2 said:
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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Or maybe, on balance, they think that the whole point of a referendum is to ask the public what the politicians can't decide and then respect the outcome. And the one scenario that undeniably respects the outcome, given that was the only question on the ballot paper, is to Brexit.williamglenn said:Tony Blair is speaking in the Houses of Parliament.
https://twitter.com/sam_lister_/status/978334510214406144
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I have always assumed it was a variant spelling of the same word.kle4 said:
Mughal.JonnyJimmy said:
Weren't Moguls Muslim Indian leaders?Ishmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:
Is there a connection with the word Mogul? Genuine question.0 -
Mogul -kle4 said:
Mughal.JonnyJimmy said:
Weren't Moguls Muslim Indian leaders?Ishmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:
Is there a connection with the word Mogul? Genuine question.
1. countable noun
A Mogul was a Muslim ruler in India in the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mogul0 -
The problem is that when selecting targets they didn't consider direction of travel. Conservatives recovering from historic lows, and Labour declining from historic highs.tlg86 said:
So I see, and it didn't do the LD's much good!AndyJS said:
Surrey SW was one of the LD's top targets at the 2005 election having reduced the Tory majority to 861 in 2001.tlg86 said:
The 2005 election puzzled me. Charlie Kennedy launched his campaign at my Sixth Form College. You'd have thought after Iraq the focus would have been on removing Labour MPs. But no, he thought the place to start was Godalming.JackW said:
Yes you must.IanB2 said:
I must have missed the LibDems reaping the benefit of their unique wisdom and foresight?JackW said:
Iraq war and the 2005 general election.IanB2 said:
When was the last time a foreign affairs issue or position had any salience in a General Election campaign? The Falklands in 1983, maybe, but even then only indirectly.The_Apocalypse said:
Corbyn’s big asset is that he has often come across as personable. I actually don’t have many issues with Labour’s manifesto. I think the most pressing concern in regard to Corbyn is who he associates with, and aspects of his foreign policy view. I tend to come down more on the side of sympathising with the Palestinians and I’m no fan of Netanyahu. But some of the individuals/groups Corbyn has associated with in the name of being pro Palestine....yeah they aren’t very pleasant.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, aye. Corbyn seems like a nice man. But his friends aren't, and his policies are nuts.
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Strange - professionals in healthcare and schooling seem to have a different view about the pressures they are under.AlastairMeeks said:
There are three dimensions, one of which is barely used in this country, and an awful lot of empty space left unfilled. The problems caused by immigration are not problems caused by overcrowding but of poor use of space and resources.MarqueeMark said:
But as we are all getting bigger - witness your bum for evidence of that - we are at least moving to a point where full or overcrowded are closer than at any point in history....AlastairMeeks said:
Also, the number of seats on the bus are not fixed. Britain had a population of maybe 6000 in 5000BC and 3 million in Roman times, 10.5 million in 1801, 38 million in 1901 and is currently estimated at 65 million. There is no particular reason to assume that it has suddenly become full or overcrowded.Torby_Fennel said:
That's not a very useful analogy. If the bus journey is a nation then it's a nation with only one permanent resident where the number of immigrants and emigrants are precisely equal.Ishmael_Z said:
And if you on an overcrowded bus you would prefer that no one else got on, and this is not because of an irrational dislike of the sort of people who are not currently on the bus. It is mystifying how hard this point is for otherwise apparently intelligent people to grasp.
Neolithic MarqueeMark would no doubt have been growling about the Beaker People coming here and taking their women. The 21st century version is no more on the money than his ancestor.
I have seen firsthand how hard it is to secure a school place after a move.
Higher populations put pressure on other infrastructure too - plus of course the availability and cost of housing
Of course the influx will age in time and then what? we do it all again?
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Interesting how certain terms come to take on new meanings so far divorced from their geographic origins. Though of course Tsar is another example.JonnyJimmy said:
Mogul -kle4 said:
Mughal.JonnyJimmy said:
Weren't Moguls Muslim Indian leaders?Ishmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:
Is there a connection with the word Mogul? Genuine question.
1. countable noun
A Mogul was a Muslim ruler in India in the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries.
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You wouldn't like it there - far too xenophobic.YBarddCwsc said:
There is plenty of evidence, if you weren't so species-ist.AlastairMeeks said:
Also, the number of seats on the bus are not fixed. Britain had a population of maybe 6000 in 5000BC and 3 million in Roman times, 10.5 million in 1801, 38 million in 1901 and is currently estimated at 65 million. There is no particular reason to assume that it has suddenly become full or overcrowded.Torby_Fennel said:
That's not a very useful analogy. If the bus journey is a nation then it's a nation with only one permanent resident where the number of immigrants and emigrants are precisely equal.Ishmael_Z said:
And if you on an overcrowded bus you would prefer that no one else got on, and this is not because of an irrational dislike of the sort of people who are not currently on the bus. It is mystifying how hard this point is for otherwise apparently intelligent people to grasp.
Look at the decline of any wildlife population -- mammals, birds, plants -- over the same epoch, and you will of course find that they have not (unlike the population of the most successful animal of all) increased 20 fold since Roman times.
Have you never heard of the phenomenon of habitat loss?
When the South East of England is entirely concreted over, are we all expected to go to Hungary?
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The noticeable feature of John Woodcock's brutal attack on Corbyn was the empty benches behind him and the small cluster of Corbyn's diehard supporters immediately behind him.EmptyNester said:John Woodcock's scathing intervention was followed up afterwards by a very powerful contribution from Tom Tugendhat. I can see why he is seen by some as a future leader.
Tom Tugendhat's speech was so powerful my wife stopped what she was doing to listen.
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All leaders try to make sure that they are surrounded during key speeches/questions - to look good for the cameras.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The noticeable feature of John Woodcock's brutal attack on Corbyn was the empty benches behind him and the small cluster of Corbyn's diehard supporters immediately behind him.EmptyNester said:John Woodcock's scathing intervention was followed up afterwards by a very powerful contribution from Tom Tugendhat. I can see why he is seen by some as a future leader.
Tom Tugendhat's speech was so powerful my wife stopped what she was doing to listen.
Why on earth is he not defence secretary over the very immature Williamson
But the Woodcock intervention served to highlight that artificial staging and the fact that Corbyn is isolated from his backbenchers.0 -
Not exactly breaking news that, but I guess at least for the moment they are emphasising their unhappiness again.oxfordsimon said:
All leaders try to make sure that they are surrounded during key speeches/questions - to look good for the cameras.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The noticeable feature of John Woodcock's brutal attack on Corbyn was the empty benches behind him and the small cluster of Corbyn's diehard supporters immediately behind him.EmptyNester said:John Woodcock's scathing intervention was followed up afterwards by a very powerful contribution from Tom Tugendhat. I can see why he is seen by some as a future leader.
Tom Tugendhat's speech was so powerful my wife stopped what she was doing to listen.
Why on earth is he not defence secretary over the very immature Williamson
But the Woodcock intervention served to highlight that artificial staging and the fact that Corbyn is isolated from his backbenchers.
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I'm sorry - where is this problem of islamophobia in Labour?williamglenn said:
I may have missed it I fear.0 -
Phil Woolas.Floater said:
I'm sorry - where is this problem of islamophobia in Labour?williamglenn said:
I may have missed it I fear.0 -
Plenty of selective and faulty recollection on offer so a different perspective.alex. said:
The problem is that when selecting targets they didn't consider direction of travel. Conservatives recovering from historic lows, and Labour declining from historic highs.
Despite the fact Labour had 418 MPs and the Conservatives 166, the main LD target seats were facing the Conservatives so naturally you need to get into those seats and challenge them.
The problem for the LDs was since the Conservatives knew they had no chance of breaking such a large Labour majority they could concentrate on a few targets and key defences.
If we're going to criticise the LDs for going after Conservative seats, why did the Conservatives put so much effort into LD seats such as Carshalton & Wallington ? After all, there were many more Labour seats to win.
Despite Iraq, Blair was still a formidable political operator and in fact his "losses" (especially given that the Scottish boundary changes "reduced" his majority by 10) in 2005 weren't too severe.
The election confirmed the Conservatives as the only credible alternative Government but the deficit in votes told a different story to the deficit in seats.
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It's important though because it suggests that they've remembered that their reasons for opposing Corbyn went far beyond his presumed unelectability, which was in many respects used as a cover to which was significantly undermined by the General Election outcome.kle4 said:
Not exactly breaking news that, but I guess at least for the moment they are emphasising their unhappiness again.oxfordsimon said:
All leaders try to make sure that they are surrounded during key speeches/questions - to look good for the cameras.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The noticeable feature of John Woodcock's brutal attack on Corbyn was the empty benches behind him and the small cluster of Corbyn's diehard supporters immediately behind him.EmptyNester said:John Woodcock's scathing intervention was followed up afterwards by a very powerful contribution from Tom Tugendhat. I can see why he is seen by some as a future leader.
Tom Tugendhat's speech was so powerful my wife stopped what she was doing to listen.
Why on earth is he not defence secretary over the very immature Williamson
But the Woodcock intervention served to highlight that artificial staging and the fact that Corbyn is isolated from his backbenchers.
Clearly calls into question whether even an election winning Corbyn could command a majority in the House of commons.
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India has been rather a rich source of 'new' english words. I think pyjamas and bungalow are two I remember as favouriteskle4 said:
Interesting how certain terms come to take on new meanings so far divorced from their geographic origins. Though of course Tsar is another example.JonnyJimmy said:
Mogul -kle4 said:
Mughal.JonnyJimmy said:
Weren't Moguls Muslim Indian leaders?Ishmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:
Is there a connection with the word Mogul? Genuine question.
1. countable noun
A Mogul was a Muslim ruler in India in the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mogul0 -
This is now my patch - I work in Godalming and hope to stand for the council next year - was writing a newsletter testerday. It's, um, not an area where Labour expects to lose any seats... (current status: 0)AndyJS said:
Surrey SW was one of the LD's top targets at the 2005 election having reduced the Tory majority to 861 in 2001.tlg86 said:
The 2005 election puzzled me. Charlie Kennedy launched his campaign at my Sixth Form College. You'd have thought after Iraq the focus would have been on removing Labour MPs. But no, he thought the place to start was Godalming.0 -
Haven't the Mossos commanders been replaced by officers appointed by Madrid?SouthamObserver said:
The Mossos - the Catalan police.Theuniondivvie said:It's all legal though, so that's ok.
https://twitter.com/CataloniaHelp1/status/978030175815266304
The violence will get worse IMO as the separatist alliance fragments.
Of course obeying orders has always been a defence by those concerned with the 'legality' of their position.0 -
I once convinced someone that the etymology of bungalow was this.JonnyJimmy said:
India has been rather a rich source of 'new' english words. I think pyjamas and bungalow are two I remember as favouriteskle4 said:
Interesting how certain terms come to take on new meanings so far divorced from their geographic origins. Though of course Tsar is another example.JonnyJimmy said:
Mogul -kle4 said:
Mughal.JonnyJimmy said:
Weren't Moguls Muslim Indian leaders?Ishmael_Z said:
"Shylocks" instead of "moguls" would have got the message across even more clearly.Roger said:
A fine sentiment and one most people would agree withrottenborough said:
Is there a connection with the word Mogul? Genuine question.
1. countable noun
A Mogul was a Muslim ruler in India in the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mogul
Some builders were building a two storey house, but half way through the client ran out of money, and only had one storey built, so hey told the builders to 'bung a low' roof on the building and he'd live in a one storey house.
Thus the word 'bungalow' was born.0 -
been out in meetings all day - catching up now but I believe John Woodcock has become even more impressive whilst I've been out?0
