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The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).0 -
Theresa May fancies those odds. Another snap election beckons .Foxy said:0 -
It depends on timing.RobD said:
Isn't it called a transition agreement?Scott_P said:
Transition or implementation requires an agreed goal. That would require at least an agreed destination. If No Deal is still being threatened then there will be no transition.
I think it highly likely that May will sign up to the Barnier Draft with a figleaf of changes over cosmetic aspects. What happens next is anyones guess. We sail uncharted waters.0 -
No sane people do....Elliot said:
I'm not sure I follow.AlastairMeeks said:
Oddly, the people who are keenest on this line were only too happy to shelter behind xenophobic lies for short term partisan advantage.Elliot said:
That all depends on whether they think universal human rights are a bedrock of progress or something to be ignored for short term partisan advantage.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.0 -
You can thank the people - and especially that generation - that made that sacrifice; it does not mean you have to automatically support their current corrupt and murderous leadership.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).0 -
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Yes, the heroics of the Russian people in the War were titanic. Difficult to see Hitler losing europe without the eastern front disaster.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).
But we are talking here about the leadership of Russia as it currently behaves.0 -
Yes, like many Britons I can admire the stoicism, art, music, literature and people of Russia while deploring its history and present of despotic rulers. Same goes for many of the places I have visited over the years.JosiasJessop said:
You can thank the people - and especially that generation - that made that sacrifice; it does not mean you have to automatically support their current corrupt and murderous leadership.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).0 -
@josiasJessop
I remember you were looking for an interesting science based break last year. Have you seen the Blue Dot lineup for this year? I am mulling over whether I can make it so soon after the World Cup. Public Service Broadcasting would be the music highlight, but some great science stuff:
https://www.discoverthebluedot.com/lineup0 -
Thanks for that. I'll have a word with the boss; it's the week before her birthday.Foxy said:@josiasJessop
I remember you were looking for an interesting science based break last year. Have you seen the Blue Dot lineup for this year? I am mulling over whether I can make it so soon after the World Cup. Public Service Broadcasting would be the music highlight, but some great science stuff:
https://www.discoverthebluedot.com/lineup
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Middlesbrough?Foxy said:
Yes, like many Britons I can admire the stoicism, art, music, literature and people of Russia while deploring its history and present of despotic rulers. Same goes for many of the places I have visited over the years.JosiasJessop said:
You can thank the people - and especially that generation - that made that sacrifice; it does not mean you have to automatically support their current corrupt and murderous leadership.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, andver the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).0 -
I think he's considering current generating stock when saying that - which as you point out is rather missing the point.Benpointer said:
??? Surely the carbon savings largely depend on how the electricity is generated?sarissa said:
at temperatures below around 8°C (17°F) an air-source heat pump can achieve a COP of 2.5 – below the magic 3 level at which carbon savings are realized.Nigelb said:
Indeed, but that again is going to be a multi decade project.SandyRentool said:
Decarbonising electricity generation is the easy bit. Doing the same for heating and transportation (not just cars) is a much tougher ask. The choices are electricity or hydrogen, and neither is a perfect fit for everything or indeed anything. As for aviation, battery-powered airships?Nigelb said:
These are interesting projects - the Dogger Bank wind farm will also provide around 5% of UK demand (and provide a hub to facilitate the construction of a new North Sea interconnect) - but they don't really help with the immediate gas supply problem.MarqueeMark said:FPT Elliott "Do you have a source?"
There's a huge amount of detail buried in here:
http://www.tidallagoonpower.com/
Bringing back a significant amount of gas storage would help in the shorter term (and will also have significant cost).
Longer term, 100% renewables are just about feasible by 2050, with a few hurdles to be overcome...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2542435118300485?via=ihub
Air sourced heat pumps (air conditioning in reverse) are a pretty efficient way of providing heating (they supply around 3x the energy in the form of heat that they consume in electricity). Together with transport, there is, of course, likely to be a significant increase in total electric demand.
The good news is that once the infrastructure is in place, it will be comparatively cheap to run... and government can borrow very cheaply right now.
(And don't laugh about electric aircraft...they will just take a bit longer.
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/darpa-flies-scaled-down-electric-model-of-vtol-aircraft/ )
We had the choice of oil or air-source heat-pump heating when we bought and modernised an old house 8 years ago - very glad we took the latter option, works wonderfully well.
(And, FWIW, Wikipedia informs me that "Within temperature ranges of -3 °C to 10 °C, the COP for many machines is fairly stable at 3-3.5...." which would cover most British winter weather).0 -
I've just been watching some Russian TV and Irina Yarovaya, an MP from Putin's party, was saying that Russia is the only power standing in the way of a totalitarian unipolar world which is why it is facing an information war and that Europeans are the victims because they don't have access to unbiased sources...0
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I think it is way more opportunistic than that. Putin is a strategist, but his success so far lies in his singular realization that a tyrant's political will is greater than that of democracies at peace, and so he can push people around (while peace holds).MarqueeMark said:
I can never quite gauge where Sino-Russian relations fit in with Putin's thinking. Is he acting tough with the West to stop the big dragon in the East from getting any ideas?HYUFD said:
Only if Putin actually invades a Baltic State as the Austro Hungarians invaded Serbia and this time it was the Russians doing the assassination not facing an assassination as was the case with Archduke Franz Ferdinand.AlastairMeeks said:I wonder whether this is what June 1914 felt like:
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/974675519831773190
Germany and Austria Hungary and the Ottoman Empire were also all in alliance at that point against the British Empire, Russia, France and Italy (later joined by the USA).
I cannot see what major powers are currently allied with Russia?
This pushing others around keeps him popular with the unwashed at home (his popularity has increased over the period since the invasion of Crimea) who think is shows Russia is great again. However, their economic power has diminished during the same period due to the triple whammy of low oil prices, sanctions and economic mismanagement. There is not much to back up the bully's willpower (short of all out nuclear war) - it is a bluff waiting to be called.0 -
Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....0 -
Siberia? Surely, more aptly named the Northern Resource Area, only this time it'll be China, not Japan.HHemmelig said:
The vast population disparity also makes the Russians very nervous. More than 100 million Chinese live fairly close to the Russian border. On the Russian side the population is sparse and shrinking. Vast quantities of natural resources for consumption in north east China such as timber are already routinely obtained from Russia.Daniel said:HYUFD said:
Not sure what threat China really poses to Russia? It is not really a Russia ally but nor is it a Russian for.MarqueeMark said:
I can never quite gauge where Sino-Russian relations fit in with Putin's thinking. Is he acting tough with the West to stop the big dragon in the East from getting any ideas?HYUFD said:
Only if Putin actually invades a Baltic State as the Austro Hungarians invaded Serbia and this time it was the Russians doing the assassination not facing an assassination as was the case with Archduke Franz Ferdinand.AlastairMeeks said:I wonder whether this is what June 1914 felt like:
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/974675519831773190
Germany and Austria Hungary and the Ottoman Empire were also all in alliance at that point against the British Empire, Russia, France and Italy (later joined by the USA).
I cannot see what major powers are currently allied with Russia?
India is more concerned by China over Nepal
The Chinese are currently buying up land in Siberia, which is getting the local government rather nervous. There has been theories circling around the Russian Foreign Office about a "what if" scenario, in which China needs more energy to meet its demands - so grabs land in Siberia.
Plus, the European Union is China's biggest export market. Beijing will not want Russia upsetting their buyers, especially Western Europe.0 -
I took Fox jr to his first festival aged 6. He had a great time, and I think the Blue Dot is quite a civilised one.JosiasJessop said:
Thanks for that. I'll have a word with the boss; it's the week before her birthday.Foxy said:@josiasJessop
I remember you were looking for an interesting science based break last year. Have you seen the Blue Dot lineup for this year? I am mulling over whether I can make it so soon after the World Cup. Public Service Broadcasting would be the music highlight, but some great science stuff:
https://www.discoverthebluedot.com/lineup0 -
But we’ve got you, William!williamglenn said:I've just been watching some Russian TV and Irina Yarovaya, an MP from Putin's party, was saying that Russia is the only power standing in the way of a totalitarian unipolar world which is why it is facing an information war and that Europeans are the victims because they don't have access to unbiased sources...
More fool her.0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....0 -
For the matryoshka, not the few.oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....0 -
oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:
Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
The cult will....oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....0 -
I dont recall much music or literature on my visit to Middlesborough in 1984, but I remember the beer as decent.Gardenwalker said:
Middlesbrough?Foxy said:
Yes, like many Britons I can admire the stoicism, art, music, literature and people of Russia while deploring its history and present of despotic rulers. Same goes for many of the places I have visited over the years.JosiasJessop said:
You can thank the people - and especially that generation - that made that sacrifice; it does not mean you have to automatically support their current corrupt and murderous leadership.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, andver the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).
I was thinking more of Myanmar under the Military, and a few other rather odd African regimes.0 -
This seems to be the new mayor:FrancisUrquhart said:oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
The cult will....oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
https://www.rokhsana.org/about/
I like this bit:
"I have been the executive director of a national charity working with young people to build bridges amongst Muslim and Jewish students at university campuses across the UK to tackle anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
My most recent role was as the CEO of an international UNESCO supported charity promoting interfaith and global citizenship across the world"
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What is she ashamed about with regards to her University? She says she got her degree from a London University - so why not name it? Why hide that piece of information?Foxy said:
This seems to be the new mayor:FrancisUrquhart said:oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
The cult will....oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
https://www.rokhsana.org/about/
I like this bit:
"I have been the executive director of a national charity working with young people to build bridges amongst Muslim and Jewish students at university campuses across the UK to tackle anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
My most recent role was as the CEO of an international UNESCO supported charity promoting interfaith and global citizenship across the world"0 -
I see she also has an OBE awarded under New Labour in 2009, not something on the average CV. The story of the incumbent on here does sound a little machine oriented:Foxy said:
This seems to be the new mayor:FrancisUrquhart said:oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
The cult will....oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
https://www.rokhsana.org/about/
I like this bit:
"I have been the executive director of a national charity working with young people to build bridges amongst Muslim and Jewish students at university campuses across the UK to tackle anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
My most recent role was as the CEO of an international UNESCO supported charity promoting interfaith and global citizenship across the world"
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/sir-robin-wales-de-selected-as-labour-mayoral-candidate-for-newham/0 -
O/T
I don't think I've seen such a big disparity on Rotten Tomatoes between the critics' ratings and the audience rating for a film as there is with the new Death Wish movie starring Bruce Willis. Critics' rating is 17%, audience 83%. Why is this?
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/death_wish_2018/0 -
She took an OBE from Blair? Yeh Gods, why doesn't she just f-off and join the Tories?Foxy said:
I see she also has an OBE awarded under New Labour in 2009, not something on the average CV. The story of the incumbent on here does sound a little machine oriented:Foxy said:
This seems to be the new mayor:FrancisUrquhart said:oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
The cult will....oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
https://www.rokhsana.org/about/
I like this bit:
"I have been the executive director of a national charity working with young people to build bridges amongst Muslim and Jewish students at university campuses across the UK to tackle anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
My most recent role was as the CEO of an international UNESCO supported charity promoting interfaith and global citizenship across the world"
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/sir-robin-wales-de-selected-as-labour-mayoral-candidate-for-newham/0 -
It was Goldsmiths. She started in Wolverhampton Uni, but had to leave when her fathers business closed due to embezzlement by a business partner. They became homeless, but she restarted when the family crisis ended.oxfordsimon said:
What is she ashamed about with regards to her University? She says she got her degree from a London University - so why not name it? Why hide that piece of information?Foxy said:
This seems to be the new mayor:FrancisUrquhart said:oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
The cult will....oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
https://www.rokhsana.org/about/
I like this bit:
"I have been the executive director of a national charity working with young people to build bridges amongst Muslim and Jewish students at university campuses across the UK to tackle anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
My most recent role was as the CEO of an international UNESCO supported charity promoting interfaith and global citizenship across the world"
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/qa-newham-labour-mayoral-hopeful-rokhsana-fiaz-on-gentrification-community-involvement-and-sir-robin-wales/0 -
Brown, surely, rather than Belzebub.rottenborough said:
She took an OBE from Blair? Yeh Gods, why doesn't she just f-off and join the Tories?Foxy said:
I see she also has an OBE awarded under New Labour in 2009, not something on the average CV. The story of the incumbent on here does sound a little machine oriented:Foxy said:
This seems to be the new mayor:FrancisUrquhart said:oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
The cult will....oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
https://www.rokhsana.org/about/
I like this bit:
"I have been the executive director of a national charity working with young people to build bridges amongst Muslim and Jewish students at university campuses across the UK to tackle anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
My most recent role was as the CEO of an international UNESCO supported charity promoting interfaith and global citizenship across the world"
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/sir-robin-wales-de-selected-as-labour-mayoral-candidate-for-newham/0 -
Re previous thread, I suspect that the slight Tory uptick in fortunes will probably recede when the Russian stuff fades away...
That said, it exposes the main problem for opponents of May. Tory prospects aren’t so dire that ditching her and giving someone else a go would automatically improve their position.
If she can keep the Tories through Brexit in a similar polling position you’ve got to say she might now make it to the end of transition in 2020 (if current timescales stick).
I still don’t think they’ll let her fight another election... though stranger things have happened...0 -
Fair enough - was just surprised to see it referenced as 'a London university' on her official About Me page.Foxy said:
It was Goldsmiths. She started in Wolverhampton Uni, but had to leave when her fathers business closed due to embezzlement by a business partner. They became homeless, but she restarted when the family crisis ended.oxfordsimon said:
What is she ashamed about with regards to her University? She says she got her degree from a London University - so why not name it? Why hide that piece of information?Foxy said:
This seems to be the new mayor:FrancisUrquhart said:oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
The cult will....oxfordsimon said:FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
How can anyone still believe that the Labour leadership believes in a kinder, gentler politics?FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
https://www.rokhsana.org/about/
I like this bit:
"I have been the executive director of a national charity working with young people to build bridges amongst Muslim and Jewish students at university campuses across the UK to tackle anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
My most recent role was as the CEO of an international UNESCO supported charity promoting interfaith and global citizenship across the world"
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/qa-newham-labour-mayoral-hopeful-rokhsana-fiaz-on-gentrification-community-involvement-and-sir-robin-wales/
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They genuinely believe centrist Labour MPs are bigger enemies than the mass murdering right wing dictatorship in Moscow, which is launching chemical attacks on UK soil.FrancisUrquhart said:Corbyn ally Chris Williamson has torn into Labour MPs who backed the Government and blamed Russia for the Salisbury attack - branding them 'political enemies'.
Dissent will not be tolerated....
They are the equivalent of the Trumps. Labour has been taken over by nut cases, and is full of wet blankets letting then get away with it.0 -
If they had joined the war in 1939, instead of their cowardly appeasement, the sacrifice wouldn't have been necessary.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).0 -
Sounds pretty goodFoxy said:
It was Goldsmiths. She started in Wolverhampton Uni, but had to leave when her fathers business closed due to embezzlement by a business partner. They became homeless, but she restarted when the family crisis ended.
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/qa-newham-labour-mayoral-hopeful-rokhsana-fiaz-on-gentrification-community-involvement-and-sir-robin-wales/0 -
Putin has daughters but you mustn't discuss his family life or he'll shoot you. I'm joking, of course ...No_Offence_Alan said:
If they had joined the war in 1939, instead of their cowardly appeasement, the sacrifice wouldn't have been necessary.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
del.marke09 said:del.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/29/top-secret-family-life-vladimir-putin-265425.html
The Soviet Union lost 20% of its population in WW2, i.e. a far larger sacrifice than us.
IMO peak progress was with Gorbachev. He later emerged as having SDP-type views. But he failed to keep the show on the road and move steadily towards something resembling parliamentary democracy. Maybe no-one could have done this.
Yeltsin was a vodka-sodden disaster. He was paid by the US to help win elections, presumably because they wanted an out-and-out capitalist, even a drunken one, to beat the ex-communists.0 -
Depending on quite when they joined the war, and quite who would have rallied against them I'm not sure that their awful behavior didn't in fact finish up as helpful.No_Offence_Alan said:
If they had joined the war in 1939, instead of their cowardly appeasement, the sacrifice wouldn't have been necessary.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).
Japan for example would have probably seized that chance.
Arguably their inadvertent double-dealing was precisely the thing that undermined the Germans.0 -
Shameful.williamglenn said:I've just been watching some Russian TV and Irina Yarovaya, an MP from Putin's party, was saying that Russia is the only power standing in the way of a totalitarian unipolar world which is why it is facing an information war and that Europeans are the victims because they don't have access to unbiased sources...
totalitarian unipolar - tautological.0 -
'Pretty good' including or excluding the alleged crimes?NickPalmer said:
Sounds pretty goodFoxy said:
It was Goldsmiths. She started in Wolverhampton Uni, but had to leave when her fathers business closed due to embezzlement by a business partner. They became homeless, but she restarted when the family crisis ended.
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/qa-newham-labour-mayoral-hopeful-rokhsana-fiaz-on-gentrification-community-involvement-and-sir-robin-wales/0 -
China To Bar People With Bad 'Social Credit' From Planes, Trains
https://m.slashdot.org/story/338489
They just need to get more branches of KFC and Nando’s...0 -
Does he say yippee ki yay mother f*cker in it?AndyJS said:O/T
I don't think I've seen such a big disparity on Rotten Tomatoes between the critics' ratings and the audience rating for a film as there is with the new Death Wish movie starring Bruce Willis. Critics' rating is 17%, audience 83%. Why is this?
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/death_wish_2018/0 -
You wonder what Russia would look like today if Gorbachev had succeeded. I’m not sure the Soviet Union was salvageable but how different the world would look if it had developed into a pluralistic mixed economy. Yeltsin and the US must share a lot of the blame.rural_voter said:
Putin has daughters but you mustn't discuss his family life or he'll shoot you. I'm joking, of course ...No_Offence_Alan said:
If they had joined the war in 1939, instead of their cowardly appeasement, the sacrifice wouldn't have been necessary.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
del.marke09 said:del.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/29/top-secret-family-life-vladimir-putin-265425.html
The Soviet Union lost 20% of its population in WW2, i.e. a far larger sacrifice than us.
IMO peak progress was with Gorbachev. He later emerged as having SDP-type views. But he failed to keep the show on the road and move steadily towards something resembling parliamentary democracy. Maybe no-one could have done this.
Yeltsin was a vodka-sodden disaster. He was paid by the US to help win elections, presumably because they wanted an out-and-out capitalist, even a drunken one, to beat the ex-communists.0 -
Where might the LD gains be? They were damn close in at least 1 Scottish seat, and hopeful of regaining a few of the ones held in 2015 but lost in 2017 like the welsh one and Sheffield Hallam ?Foxy said:0 -
Moscow will not cooperate with an investigation into the Salisbury attack. The president relies on spreading doubt
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/16/putin-lies-action-moscow-salisbury-attack
Helps if you have useful idiots to assist in spreading that doubt...0 -
Tbf the Russian people didn't have much say in the matter in 1939 or '41. Faithful, old Boxer did his duty.No_Offence_Alan said:
If they had joined the war in 1939, instead of their cowardly appeasement, the sacrifice wouldn't have been necessary.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
Is this news? Only if you think Momentum and other far-left loons are behind it, which - see upthread - they seem not to be.marke09 said:
Simon Harris
Verified account @simonharrisitv
2h2 hours ago
BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon
Perhaps people got fed up with him. Twenty-three years is a good innings.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).0 -
Interesting insight, I think that is spot on.MTimT2 said:
I think it is way more opportunistic than that. Putin is a strategist, but his success so far lies in his singular realization that a tyrant's political will is greater than that of democracies at peace, and so he can push people around (while peace holds).MarqueeMark said:
I can never quite gauge where Sino-Russian relations fit in with Putin's thinking. Is he acting tough with the West to stop the big dragon in the East from getting any ideas?HYUFD said:
Only if Putin actually invades a Baltic State as the Austro Hungarians invaded Serbia and this time it was the Russians doing the assassination not facing an assassination as was the case with Archduke Franz Ferdinand.AlastairMeeks said:I wonder whether this is what June 1914 felt like:
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/974675519831773190
Germany and Austria Hungary and the Ottoman Empire were also all in alliance at that point against the British Empire, Russia, France and Italy (later joined by the USA).
I cannot see what major powers are currently allied with Russia?
This pushing others around keeps him popular with the unwashed at home (his popularity has increased over the period since the invasion of Crimea) who think is shows Russia is great again. However, their economic power has diminished during the same period due to the triple whammy of low oil prices, sanctions and economic mismanagement. There is not much to back up the bully's willpower (short of all out nuclear war) - it is a bluff waiting to be called.0 -
Perhaps if Stalin hadn't first allied with Hitler to destroy the Polish state.... and it's not as though Stalin wasn't prepared to sacrifice millions in peacetime too.rural_voter said:
Putin has daughters but you mustn't discuss his family life or he'll shoot you. I'm joking, of course ...No_Offence_Alan said:
If they had joined the war in 1939, instead of their cowardly appeasement, the sacrifice wouldn't have been necessary.volcanopete said:
The sacrifice of the Russian people at Stalingrad was a major factor in the defeat of Hitler's fascism.More Russians died at Stalingrad,as much from sickness and starvation as from battle,than the all the UK casualties put together.That sacrifice is surely worthy of thanks from any UK leader.rottenborough said:
This week has demonstrated that when there is a major threat to national security, a PM Corbyn would side with those he has always supported. In this case Russia.Ishmael_Z said:
Foreign affairs are no longer foreign affairs when they happen in Salisbury.kle4 said:
Never going to happen. Why would it? On domestic issues they seem pretty united now, at least compared to recent years, and resigned to Corbyn's leadership, are they really so exercised by foreign affairs that that will finally push them over the edge?rottenborough said:
Time to resign the Whip and sit as independent Labour.MarqueeMark said:
But it couldn't really have come in a worse week.Gardenwalker said:
del.marke09 said:del.
There will be a lot of Labour centrists this weekend having a long, hard think whether they should stand up for one last effort - or acquiesce in the take-over of Labour by a faction that is seeing the party slide towards ridicule.
It is beyond me why he is so in favour of Russia, which is essentially returning to a Czarist state just without the hereditary bit (unless Putin has kids?).
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/29/top-secret-family-life-vladimir-putin-265425.html
The Soviet Union lost 20% of its population in WW2, i.e. a far larger sacrifice than us...
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KFCs were everywhere when I went to China last year.FrancisUrquhart said:China To Bar People With Bad 'Social Credit' From Planes, Trains
https://m.slashdot.org/story/338489
They just need to get more branches of KFC and Nando’s...
Also, from that link, some of the examples seem more trivial than others
People who would be put on the restricted lists included those found to have committed acts like spreading false information about terrorism and causing trouble on flights, as well as those who used expired tickets or smoked on trains0 -
I’m interested in the 5 SNP gains too. Suspect that would be against the Tories primarily but I remain to be convinced that they’ll lose that many in Scotland on current polling. I think 2017 might have been a high water mark for the moment in time, but I think they’d hold a fair number of those.kle4 said:
Where might the LD gains be? They were damn close in at least 1 Scottish seat, and hopeful of regaining a few of the ones held in 2015 but lost in 2017 like the welsh one and Sheffield Hallam ?Foxy said:0 -
This idea that we should somehow give Putin’s Russia some sort of free pass because of Stalingrad is bizarre. Stalingrad was 75 years ago. Stalin’s Russia was a horrific murderous regime which killed millions, of its own citizens and of other states; it was responsible for a genocidal famine in the Ukraine; it crushed Eastern European states, tortured and killed dissenters, locked people up without trial, was anti-semitic, had a vast system of gulags quite as bad as concentration camps in their effects on the people interned in them and so on and so forth.
If Corbyn and Milne are pro-Russia it is not because of some misguided gratitude for something which happened before they were born but because they admire it ideologically and because they admire any state that stands up to the West and, in particular, the US.
Soviet Russia’s view of Jews is also a clue to where a hard Left tradition of hating Jews comes from. And this tradition is one of the sources of the anti-Jewish feeling which has manifested itself amongst some of Corbyn’s supporters, those who surround him and those amongst whom he has spent so much of his time as a backbencher.
It is perfectly possible to admire the sacrifices of the Russian people in the 1940’s while despising Putin and his regime today.0 -
That is quite a erhhh broad range....kle4 said:
KFCs were everywhere when I went to China last year.FrancisUrquhart said:China To Bar People With Bad 'Social Credit' From Planes, Trains
https://m.slashdot.org/story/338489
They just need to get more branches of KFC and Nando’s...
Also, from that link, some of the examples seem more trivial than others
People who would be put on the restricted lists included those found to have committed acts like spreading false information about terrorism and causing trouble on flights, as well as those who used expired tickets or smoked on trains0 -
She's 47, got an OBE, had a career in the media, ran major charities, looks like she isabout to become Mayor of Newham. And then there is this:NickPalmer said:
Sounds pretty goodFoxy said:
It was Goldsmiths. She started in Wolverhampton Uni, but had to leave when her fathers business closed due to embezzlement by a business partner. They became homeless, but she restarted when the family crisis ended.
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/qa-newham-labour-mayoral-hopeful-rokhsana-fiaz-on-gentrification-community-involvement-and-sir-robin-wales/
"But obviously the most pressing issue is housing. I live with my parents. That’s because even with jobs that I’ve had and the senior positions I’ve achieved I literally cannot afford to buy a place in Newham. That is absurd. I appreciate all the debates going on at London region level and the issues around affordability etcetera etcetera, but if we don’t get the balance right in terms of our housing mix and emphasise that the median income in this borough is still around £26,000 – people simply cannot live. There’s got to be more genuinely affordable and more social housing."
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Is it?FrancisUrquhart said:
That is quite a erhhh broad range....kle4 said:
KFCs were everywhere when I went to China last year.FrancisUrquhart said:China To Bar People With Bad 'Social Credit' From Planes, Trains
https://m.slashdot.org/story/338489
They just need to get more branches of KFC and Nando’s...
Also, from that link, some of the examples seem more trivial than others
People who would be put on the restricted lists included those found to have committed acts like spreading false information about terrorism and causing trouble on flights, as well as those who used expired tickets or smoked on trains
Not sure about the terrorism remark but the others all seem to be examples of being bad passengers on trains or planes as a common thread.0 -
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said: 0 -
Frankly it also conflates the sacrifices of the Russian people with the sacrifices of the Russian leadership. Nobody would seriously argue that we hold a debt of gratitude to Stalin, so why the hell should the non-existent debt extend to Putin.Cyclefree said:This idea that we should somehow give Putin’s Russia some sort of free pass because of Stalingrad is bizarre. Stalingrad was 75 years ago. Stalin’s Russia was a horrific murderous regime which killed millions, of its own citizens and of other states; it was responsible for a genocidal famine in the Ukraine; it crushed Eastern European states, tortured and killed dissenters, locked people up without trial, was anti-semitic, had a vast system of gulags quite as bad as concentration camps in their effects on the people interned in them and so on and so forth.
If Corbyn and Milne are pro-Russia it is not because of some misguided gratitude for something which happened before they were born but because they admire it ideologically and because they admire any state that stands up to the West and, in particular, the US.
Soviet Russia’s view of Jews is also a clue to where a hard Left tradition of hating Jews comes from. And this tradition is one of the sources of the anti-Jewish feeling which has manifested itself amongst some of Corbyn’s supporters, those who surround him and those amongst whom he has spent so much of his time as a backbencher.
It is perfectly possible to admire the sacrifices of the Russian people in the 1940’s while despising Putin and his regime today.
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If you imagine a statement like 'There is no place for Russia in the civilised world'. You could discuss such a statement now, almost endlessly. I'm not sure there has been a time for the last 150 years or so when that was not the case.Cyclefree said:This idea that we should somehow give Putin’s Russia some sort of free pass because of Stalingrad is bizarre. Stalingrad was 75 years ago. Stalin’s Russia was a horrific murderous regime which killed millions, of its own citizens and of other states; it was responsible for a genocidal famine in the Ukraine; it crushed Eastern European states, tortured and killed dissenters, locked people up without trial, was anti-semitic, had a vast system of gulags quite as bad as concentration camps in their effects on the people interned in them and so on and so forth.
If Corbyn and Milne are pro-Russia it is not because of some misguided gratitude for something which happened before they were born but because they admire it ideologically and because they admire any state that stands up to the West and, in particular, the US.
Soviet Russia’s view of Jews is also a clue to where a hard Left tradition of hating Jews comes from. And this tradition is one of the sources of the anti-Jewish feeling which has manifested itself amongst some of Corbyn’s supporters, those who surround him and those amongst whom he has spent so much of his time as a backbencher.
It is perfectly possible to admire the sacrifices of the Russian people in the 1940’s while despising Putin and his regime today.
There is no real Russia on the world stage - it's a nonsense sort of a place. There should be a Russia on the world stage though.0 -
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:0 -
The website shows the projected changes. http://britainelects.com/forecast/numbertwelve said:
I’m interested in the 5 SNP gains too. Suspect that would be against the Tories primarily but I remain to be convinced that they’ll lose that many in Scotland on current polling. I think 2017 might have been a high water mark for the moment in time, but I think they’d hold a fair number of those.kle4 said:
Where might the LD gains be? They were damn close in at least 1 Scottish seat, and hopeful of regaining a few of the ones held in 2015 but lost in 2017 like the welsh one and Sheffield Hallam ?Foxy said:0 -
You will get it in due courseScott_P said:0 -
Infinitely more sense in that article than is on show from the Labour front bench.FrancisUrquhart said:Moscow will not cooperate with an investigation into the Salisbury attack. The president relies on spreading doubt
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/16/putin-lies-action-moscow-salisbury-attack
Helps if you have useful idiots to assist in spreading that doubt...0 -
We're getting Moscow weather tomorrow.0
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Freeland has long been on corbyns shit list.MarqueeMark said:
Infinitely more sense in that article than is on show from the Labour front bench.FrancisUrquhart said:Moscow will not cooperate with an investigation into the Salisbury attack. The president relies on spreading doubt
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/16/putin-lies-action-moscow-salisbury-attack
Helps if you have useful idiots to assist in spreading that doubt...0 -
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:0 -
Bye bye Amber Rudd and Anna Soubry.....Freggles said:
The website shows the projected changes. http://britainelects.com/forecast/numbertwelve said:
I’m interested in the 5 SNP gains too. Suspect that would be against the Tories primarily but I remain to be convinced that they’ll lose that many in Scotland on current polling. I think 2017 might have been a high water mark for the moment in time, but I think they’d hold a fair number of those.kle4 said:
Where might the LD gains be? They were damn close in at least 1 Scottish seat, and hopeful of regaining a few of the ones held in 2015 but lost in 2017 like the welsh one and Sheffield Hallam ?Foxy said:0 -
So for the LDs: Richmond Park, Ceredigion, St Ives, Fife NE. Plausible, if they are lucky.Freggles said:
The website shows the projected changes. http://britainelects.com/forecast/numbertwelve said:
I’m interested in the 5 SNP gains too. Suspect that would be against the Tories primarily but I remain to be convinced that they’ll lose that many in Scotland on current polling. I think 2017 might have been a high water mark for the moment in time, but I think they’d hold a fair number of those.kle4 said:
Where might the LD gains be? They were damn close in at least 1 Scottish seat, and hopeful of regaining a few of the ones held in 2015 but lost in 2017 like the welsh one and Sheffield Hallam ?Foxy said:
And the SNP gaining about equal from Con and Lab.0 -
Housing in Newham was very cheap until the 1990s. What's happened?nielh said:
She's 47, got an OBE, had a career in the media, ran major charities, looks like she isabout to become Mayor of Newham. And then there is this:NickPalmer said:
Sounds pretty goodFoxy said:
It was Goldsmiths. She started in Wolverhampton Uni, but had to leave when her fathers business closed due to embezzlement by a business partner. They became homeless, but she restarted when the family crisis ended.
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/qa-newham-labour-mayoral-hopeful-rokhsana-fiaz-on-gentrification-community-involvement-and-sir-robin-wales/
"But obviously the most pressing issue is housing. I live with my parents. That’s because even with jobs that I’ve had and the senior positions I’ve achieved I literally cannot afford to buy a place in Newham. That is absurd. I appreciate all the debates going on at London region level and the issues around affordability etcetera etcetera, but if we don’t get the balance right in terms of our housing mix and emphasise that the median income in this borough is still around £26,000 – people simply cannot live. There’s got to be more genuinely affordable and more social housing."0 -
Seamus Milne?alex. said:
Nobody would seriously argue that we hold a debt of gratitude to StalinCyclefree said:This idea that we should somehow give Putin’s Russia some sort of free pass because of Stalingrad is bizarre. Stalingrad was 75 years ago. Stalin’s Russia was a horrific murderous regime which killed millions, of its own citizens and of other states; it was responsible for a genocidal famine in the Ukraine; it crushed Eastern European states, tortured and killed dissenters, locked people up without trial, was anti-semitic, had a vast system of gulags quite as bad as concentration camps in their effects on the people interned in them and so on and so forth.
If Corbyn and Milne are pro-Russia it is not because of some misguided gratitude for something which happened before they were born but because they admire it ideologically and because they admire any state that stands up to the West and, in particular, the US.
Soviet Russia’s view of Jews is also a clue to where a hard Left tradition of hating Jews comes from. And this tradition is one of the sources of the anti-Jewish feeling which has manifested itself amongst some of Corbyn’s supporters, those who surround him and those amongst whom he has spent so much of his time as a backbencher.
It is perfectly possible to admire the sacrifices of the Russian people in the 1940’s while despising Putin and his regime today.
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Re: May fighting another election - it might be well to remember that the conventional wisdom until 2017 was that despite all the media excitement campaigns don’t make much difference. Ultimately by the time of the next election most people will have a settled view of May, and i would doubt that Corbyn could pull the same trick (of expanding support from a base position) twice. And even that “success” wasn’t actually down to converting people from May/the Conservatives, so much as managing to coalesce virtually ALL opposition in one place (and on the back of a widespread assumption that it was risk-free ie he couldn’t actually win)
So if May is to be deposed I think the worst possible reason is as a result of a perceived lack of campaigning ability. If she is still holding up in the polls then changing leader will represent a big gamble. And remember there is a big difference between a discretionary election, called to increase parliamentary strength, and a mandatory one, where the bar for “success” should logically b3 somewhat lower.0 -
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:0 -
Cloudy with a chance of Tefteli?AndyJS said:We're getting Moscow weather tomorrow.
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Sad but true - the declining power of the U.K. post Brexit.
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Some decent political backbone shown by some Labour MPs though. That's a tough thing to do, and whatever Labour's faults whilst they have people who are prepared to do the hard but right thing they're not a spent force intellectually.MarqueeMark said:
Infinitely more sense in that article than is on show from the Labour front bench.FrancisUrquhart said:Moscow will not cooperate with an investigation into the Salisbury attack. The president relies on spreading doubt
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/16/putin-lies-action-moscow-salisbury-attack
Helps if you have useful idiots to assist in spreading that doubt...0 -
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Restricted to the backbenches though - pretty much a spineless Shadow Cabinet.Omnium said:
Some decent political backbone shown by some Labour MPs though. That's a tough thing to do, and whatever Labour's faults whilst they have people who are prepared to do the hard but right thing they're not a spent force intellectually.MarqueeMark said:
Infinitely more sense in that article than is on show from the Labour front bench.FrancisUrquhart said:Moscow will not cooperate with an investigation into the Salisbury attack. The president relies on spreading doubt
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/16/putin-lies-action-moscow-salisbury-attack
Helps if you have useful idiots to assist in spreading that doubt...0 -
All will be revealed in due courseScott_P said:0 -
Haha - you are unquenchable! I don't think Theresa is responsible for Côte getting more business than usual this past week!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:
Salisbury was a bit quieter than normal for a Friday tbh but it is the quietest time of the year - no tourists to speak of until Easter.0 -
All remainers but as far as I can see no conservatives. Like the way they are co-ordinating with Faisal Islam and Sky.Scott_P said:
When will they learn it is a negotiation and negotiating positions will not be revealed to a lobby group for remain0 -
Same old nonsense doesn't become more true because someone wrote a blogpost about it. We have had more backing from Norway than Ireland because one is a NATO member and one is an EU member. The Trump extrapolation is also misguided, given he won't survive beyond 2020, if he even survives that far.Gardenwalker said:Sad but true - the declining power of the U.K. post Brexit.
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Looks like your choice of restaurant provides a very good menu.Benpointer said:
Haha - you are unquenchable! I don't think Theresa is responsible for Côte getting more business than usual this past week!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:
Salisbury was a bit quieter than normal for a Friday tbh but it is the quietest time of the year - no tourists to speak of until Easter.0 -
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But do they offer pineapple pizzas?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like your choice of restaurant provides a very good menu.Benpointer said:
Haha - you are unquenchable! I don't think Theresa is responsible for Côte getting more business than usual this past week!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:
Salisbury was a bit quieter than normal for a Friday tbh but it is the quietest time of the year - no tourists to speak of until Easter.0 -
French I think but not sure about the pineapple.FrancisUrquhart said:
But do they offer pineapple pizzas?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like your choice of restaurant provides a very good menu.Benpointer said:
Haha - you are unquenchable! I don't think Theresa is responsible for Côte getting more business than usual this past week!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:
Salisbury was a bit quieter than normal for a Friday tbh but it is the quietest time of the year - no tourists to speak of until Easter.
For me the choice would be pineapple without a pizza which I do not like0 -
Thankfully not.FrancisUrquhart said:
But do they offer pineapple pizzas?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like your choice of restaurant provides a very good menu.Benpointer said:
Haha - you are unquenchable! I don't think Theresa is responsible for Côte getting more business than usual this past week!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:
Salisbury was a bit quieter than normal for a Friday tbh but it is the quietest time of the year - no tourists to speak of until Easter.0 -
Wobbly lines tech given green light for the World Cup.
Video assistant referees will be used at the World Cup for the first time after Fifa formally approved the technology for this year's tournament.0 -
Côte is just a chain but generally the food is reliable, unpretentious, French bistro style for a reasonable price.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like your choice of restaurant provides a very good menu.Benpointer said:
Haha - you are unquenchable! I don't think Theresa is responsible for Côte getting more business than usual this past week!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:
Salisbury was a bit quieter than normal for a Friday tbh but it is the quietest time of the year - no tourists to speak of until Easter.
(I appreciate 'unpretentious French bistro style' is a bit of an oxymoron!)0 -
Just did a YouGov poll which was asking about how I'd vote if different electoral systems were used (eg having a constituency vote and a regional vote), but the interesting part was a list of statements about politics and to list which were true or false, such as if the LDs favour PR, that the number of MPs is about 100, when polling stations close etc. I've not really come across a poll which actually tests the respondents' knowledge at the end.0
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Just means one of Putin's goons will be able to sit, unseen, with a gun at the VAR's head.....FrancisUrquhart said:Wobbly lines tech given green light for the World Cup.
Video assistant referees will be used at the World Cup for the first time after Fifa formally approved the technology for this year's tournament.0 -
Good luck - I hope you've passed!kle4 said:Just did a YouGov poll which was asking about how I'd vote if different electoral systems were used (eg having a constituency vote and a regional vote), but the interesting part was a list of statements about politics and to list which were true or false, such as if the LDs favour PR, that the number of MPs is about 100, when polling stations close etc. I've not really come across a poll which actually tests the respondents' knowledge at the end.
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Pineapple pizza without pizza - that's niche!Big_G_NorthWales said:
French I think but not sure about the pineapple.FrancisUrquhart said:
But do they offer pineapple pizzas?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like your choice of restaurant provides a very good menu.Benpointer said:
Haha - you are unquenchable! I don't think Theresa is responsible for Côte getting more business than usual this past week!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:
Salisbury was a bit quieter than normal for a Friday tbh but it is the quietest time of the year - no tourists to speak of until Easter.
For me the choice would be pineapple without a pizza which I do not like0 -
I actually have no idea what the Lib Dem’s stance is on anything other than brexit these days and I am on Pb. How the hell Maureen from Margate has any idea is beyond me.kle4 said:Just did a YouGov poll which was asking about how I'd vote if different electoral systems were used (eg having a constituency vote and a regional vote), but the interesting part was a list of statements about politics and to list which were true or false, such as if the LDs favour PR, that the number of MPs is about 100, when polling stations close etc. I've not really come across a poll which actually tests the respondents' knowledge at the end.
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No need for gun to head just point to a picture of a deceased former Russian spy....tap tap tap...MarqueeMark said:
Just means one of Putin's goons will be able to sit, unseen, with a gun at the VAR's head.....FrancisUrquhart said:Wobbly lines tech given green light for the World Cup.
Video assistant referees will be used at the World Cup for the first time after Fifa formally approved the technology for this year's tournament.0 -
The point is that the United Kingdom has very little influence on its own. It needs to act in consort with groups of like minded nations. There really is only one group that fits the bill - the European Union. We don't absolutely have to be members to have a beneficial relationship with the EU, but it will be harder work to get sporadic attention, instead of a matter of course. We will be heaving close to the EU seeking influence on its terms.Elliot said:
Same old nonsense doesn't become more true because someone wrote a blogpost about it. We have had more backing from Norway than Ireland because one is a NATO member and one is an EU member. The Trump extrapolation is also misguided, given he won't survive beyond 2020, if he even survives that far.Gardenwalker said:Sad but true - the declining power of the U.K. post Brexit.
https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/status/974740440057606144
Edit. We are swapping member state for client state. Which makes Brexit interesting. No-one has done this before0 -
The only place I eat pizza is when I am in Italy and I cannot recall ever having pineapple with itMarqueeMark said:
Pineapple pizza without pizza - that's niche!Big_G_NorthWales said:
French I think but not sure about the pineapple.FrancisUrquhart said:
But do they offer pineapple pizzas?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like your choice of restaurant provides a very good menu.Benpointer said:
Haha - you are unquenchable! I don't think Theresa is responsible for Côte getting more business than usual this past week!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well of course - Theresa did a great job of promoting Salisbury and defending our Country which of course is the first duty of government, pity that Corbyn doesn't get it.Benpointer said:
Yes, very good thanks. Manager at Côte said it's been really busy all week - lots of press and TV people in apparently. Every cloud, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you enjoy your lunch in SalisburyBenpointer said:
No, on the basis of that forecast CON+DUP would not command a majority. We'd have a LAB led coalition. I think Jonathan may have been being ironicrottenborough said:
Salisbury was a bit quieter than normal for a Friday tbh but it is the quietest time of the year - no tourists to speak of until Easter.
For me the choice would be pineapple without a pizza which I do not like0 -
Old people are racist. I think that's the Lib Dem stance that most people know.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually have no idea what the Lib Dem’s stance is on anything other than brexit these days and I am on Pb. How the hell Maureen from Margate has any idea is beyond me.kle4 said:Just did a YouGov poll which was asking about how I'd vote if different electoral systems were used (eg having a constituency vote and a regional vote), but the interesting part was a list of statements about politics and to list which were true or false, such as if the LDs favour PR, that the number of MPs is about 100, when polling stations close etc. I've not really come across a poll which actually tests the respondents' knowledge at the end.
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One penny on income tax for the, sorry, OUR NHS, I think. But that's all I know.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually have no idea what the Lib Dem’s stance is on anything other than brexit these days and I am on Pb. How the hell Maureen from Margate has any idea is beyond me.kle4 said:Just did a YouGov poll which was asking about how I'd vote if different electoral systems were used (eg having a constituency vote and a regional vote), but the interesting part was a list of statements about politics and to list which were true or false, such as if the LDs favour PR, that the number of MPs is about 100, when polling stations close etc. I've not really come across a poll which actually tests the respondents' knowledge at the end.
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