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GIN1138 said:
Not much comment here or elsewhere about the Italian General election?
It was a decisive as the German one.
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That's how I remember it. It was the squares in the form of the Conservatives that took us in, with backing from the media and big business. On top of that there were a lot of older people who remembered the war who were very pro-European but at the time weren't very cool. Voting out was the radical and trendy thing to do. I'm surprised it was as high as 61% to be honest.rcs1000 said:
Interesting: so the younger generation in '75 were more sceptical than the population as a whole.Sean_F said:
18-29 year olds were 61% Remain, in 1975.Foxy said:
Conceivably the older people in 73 voted join, and the youngsters voted out.RobD said:
The cohort who voted in both the 1973 and 2016 EU referendum got more eurosceptic.Benpointer said:
The demographic will have changed quite a lot by the next election compared with the EU-Ref. Now, I know we are always told people become more conservative (and Conservative) as they age, and that seems probable, else Conservatism would have died out years ago... But, is there any evidence that, or reason why, people might become more Euro-sceptic?HYUFD said:
No, I know. It would be political suicide for the Tory Party to go into the next general election with 70% of its voters having voted Leave with the UK still in the EU in all but name.MikeSmithson said:
You hopeHYUFD said:
One thing is for certain, neither Tory MPs nor Tory members will allow the transition period to extend up to 2022, it has to have ended by the time of the next general electionstodge said:Evening all
What would be the political price of extending transition ? At the moment, we leave the EU in March 2019 (except we don't really) and how long will people tolerate the limbo of being in the club with no say, continued Freedom of Movement and having to obey EU laws ?
Sounds like a political death warrant.
UKIP would not believe their luck and Farage would come back to lead them in an instant
No. By the time of the next election, even if nobody who voted in June 2016 has changed their mind, there will be a majority for Remain imho.0 -
Crickey, bit of a brave call out in france...they might have to claim political asylum here!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5464131/French-campaign-TV-channels-English-films-undubbed.html0 -
That seems a fair likelihood. Allows us to gradually untangle ourselves piece by piece, no massive cliff edges.rcs1000 said:
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
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Not just the trade war. As predicted by Project Fear, the US also sees Brexit as an opportunity to make life tougher for UK-based airlines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
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Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
I am going to guess he also thinks jezzas support of some really dodgy individuals is ok.0 -
I thought we wanted to stay in Erasmus, and the ESA is not an EU body.rcs1000 said:
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
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@rcs1000
FPT Re Swiss low skilled immigration
I was in Lugano the other day. Lots of problems locally - the average low skilled wage there is Eur 5000 per month (due to cost of living)
Real problem with Italians driving in each morning and charging Eur 3000 per month (better than the Eur 2000 they get at home) - economically worthwhile with their lower cost of living.
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He's quickly hidden his profile on twitter, unsurprisingly.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The shoes died out when Plato went tweet-happy and then got kicked off. She and I used to have quite a few shoe and kitchen threads including one about what to do with spare vegetables. As I recall, that completely took over for the day.AnneJGP said:
I lurk a lot more than I post and I haven't read much about shoes, lately, either.Beverley_C said:I thought there was some hope when we started discussing sensible topics like food, health and coffee machines.
Now it is back to the same old trench warfare...
Come on Mike - get those Brexit-free days arranged.
I need some more shoes and I was looking at some lovely soft suede ankle boots yesterday. They were (supposedly) my size but there was no zipper on them and it was very difficult to get my foot round the turn from the leg into the boot so I gave up. Pity - they were really lovely otherwise with a 3" heel.
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Journalist at The Independent.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
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There are non-EU states in Erasmusrpjs said:
I thought we wanted to stay in Erasmus, and the ESA is not an EU body.rcs1000 said:
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
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Adult Videos, surelyBeverley_C said:
we are having an audio-visual thread? Interesting ....RobD said:
When's the next great AV thread? That'll make the Brexit discussions seem positively tameBeverley_C said:I thought there was some hope when we started discussing sensible topics like food, health and coffee machines.
Now it is back to the same old trench warfare...
Come on Mike - get those Brexit-free days arranged.
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What mr Churchill was a racist war criminal guy? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:
Journalist at The Independent.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
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Well for everyone really.TheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
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corrected it for youBeverley_C said:
The EU is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
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There's a good - plausible - piece on the economic impact on American jobs from the steel tariffs: http://tradepartnership.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/232EmploymentPolicyBrief.pdf0
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He's not wrong about Churchill though. He was certainly racist (although not notably so by the standards of his day) and his own autobiography recounts how he was in possession of dum-dum bullets when captured by the Boers which could have resulted in his being shot as a war criminal; he had to use sleight of hand to pretend to "find" them on the ground and present them to his captor (who if memory serves turned out to be Smuts).TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
How's Mogg going to get through the Tory MP filtering process and get into final two to be put to members?
Do they know about the Tory leadership election process before placing their bets?0 -
Why risk Airbus leaving the UK to secure a trade deal with the Philippines some time in the mid-20s?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/05/airbus-may-leave-uk-unless-there-is-urgent-clarity-on-brexit-trade0 -
YupFrancisUrquhart said:
What mr Churchill was a racist war criminal guy? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:
Journalist at The Independent.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
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RT?williamglenn said:
Here’s Steve Baker on RT predicting that the collapse of our system is only a matter of time.Elliot said:So a certain Eurasian power is "allegedly" back to its old habit of poisoning people in the UK. Do Labour MPs really want to have as Prime Minister someone who was a paid employee of the Kremlin's propaganda TV?
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If you look at the money the Norwegians pay, more than half is for the membership of EU administered bodies, and they list Erasmus, the EMA, Gallileo, and the ESA as part of their EU contributions.rpjs said:
I thought we wanted to stay in Erasmus, and the ESA is not an EU body.rcs1000 said:
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
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A pun so awesome you think I must have written it.Scott_P said:0 -
Sunil - Brexit encompasses both sides. I no longer care. It is quite evident that reality will need to teach the lessons to be learned.Sunil_Prasannan said:
corrected it for youBeverley_C said:
The EU is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
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Following on from this afternoon's discussion.
https://twitter.com/JayMitchinson/status/9707116381973585940 -
In a "war" between Trump and Juncker I know where my money's going...Scott_P said:0 -
Next time the police complain they are under resourced remember they have enough resources to send 30 coppers to a tree cutting.0
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I know it’s not a really a proper newspaper anymore, but I presumed they didn’t employ total numpties.TheScreamingEagles said:
YupFrancisUrquhart said:
What mr Churchill was a racist war criminal guy? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:
Journalist at The Independent.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
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I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
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Great headlineScott_P said:
If I were the EU, I would have probably just ignored the steel/aluminium provocation, especially as the impact of steel and aluminium tariffs will be to raise the cost of making cars in the US, benefiting German car makers.
But I think there is a feeling, rightly or wrongly, that ignoring institutional structures and agreements has to have consequences.
I find it very interesting that while the Canadians, the Koreans, the Mexicans and the EU have all cried blue murder over these tariffs, the Chinese have been silent. I wouldn't be surprised if we were to see a high profile cancellation of a Chinese Boeing order in the next 48 hours. That would very much be their style.0 -
My money would be on Juncker. And I'd back him in size. I think Juncker's pissedness, cussedness, and the fact that he's largely insulated from blowback from bad decisions, means he's more able to weather a storm than Trump.GIN1138 said:
In a "war" between Trump and Juncker I know where my money's going...Scott_P said:
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He's also not, in the words of Rex Tillerson, "a ####ing moron".rcs1000 said:
My money would be on Juncker. And I'd back him in size. I think Juncker's pissedness, cussedness, and the fact that he's largely insulated from blowback from bad decisions, means he's more able to weather a storm than Trump.GIN1138 said:
In a "war" between Trump and Juncker I know where my money's going...Scott_P said:0 -
No idea. Lay the favourite, lay the second favourite.Historian said:How's Mogg going to get through the Tory MP filtering process and get into final two to be put to members?
Do they know about the Tory leadership election process before placing their bets?
Moggy may get most of his ERG fanboys, but that won't be enough.
For JC to win relies on one of 2 equally improbable scenarios. Loss of DUP support or mass defections from the Tory Party,
OR, allowing May to fight and lose the next GE.
Not sure which one of those is more inconceivable!0 -
Squirting talcum powder into the boot will solve that problem if it's genuinely the right sizeBeverley_C said:
The shoes died out when Plato went tweet-happy and then got kicked off. She and I used to have quite a few shoe and kitchen threads including one about what to do with spare vegetables. As I recall, that completely took over for the day.AnneJGP said:
I lurk a lot more than I post and I haven't read much about shoes, lately, either.Beverley_C said:I thought there was some hope when we started discussing sensible topics like food, health and coffee machines.
Now it is back to the same old trench warfare...
Come on Mike - get those Brexit-free days arranged.
I need some more shoes and I was looking at some lovely soft suede ankle boots yesterday. They were (supposedly) my size but there was no zipper on them and it was very difficult to get my foot round the turn from the leg into the boot so I gave up. Pity - they were really lovely otherwise with a 3" heel.
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BBC pay: 200 staff urge bosses to make public all salaries and benefits
Almost 250 BBC staff including stars such as Victoria Derbyshire, Mariella Frostrup, Naga Munchetty and Dan Snow have challenged the corporation to publish individual salaries and benefits of staff if it is serious about tackling pay inequality at the corporation.
The group, which comprise on- and off-screen staff from across the BBC, have co-signed an open letter calling on the BBC director general, Tony Hall, to deliver on his promise to make the corporation the “most transparent organisation when it comes to pay”.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/mar/05/bbc-pay-200-staff-urge-make-public-all-salaries-benefits-open-letter0 -
It's in the Chinese interest for them to not be part of the media narrative. Americans might be sympathetic to Europeans and Canadians but they would probably back Trump over the Chinese.rcs1000 said:
Great headlineScott_P said:
If I were the EU, I would have probably just ignored the steel/aluminium provocation, especially as the impact of steel and aluminium tariffs will be to raise the cost of making cars in the US, benefiting German car makers.
But I think there is a feeling, rightly or wrongly, that ignoring institutional structures and agreements has to have consequences.
I find it very interesting that while the Canadians, the Koreans, the Mexicans and the EU have all cried blue murder over these tariffs, the Chinese have been silent. I wouldn't be surprised if we were to see a high profile cancellation of a Chinese Boeing order in the next 48 hours. That would very much be their style.0 -
Choosing between backing Trump or Junker...its like
Alien vs PredatorNoddy vs Father Jack to operate a nuclear power station.0 -
Actively taking money from a horrific regime to participate in their propaganda war against the West?TheJezziah said:I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
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Thanks for the suggestion, but it has two flaws:Ishmael_Z said:
Squirting talcum powder into the boot will solve that problem if it's genuinely the right sizeBeverley_C said:
The shoes died out when Plato went tweet-happy and then got kicked off. She and I used to have quite a few shoe and kitchen threads including one about what to do with spare vegetables. As I recall, that completely took over for the day.AnneJGP said:
I lurk a lot more than I post and I haven't read much about shoes, lately, either.Beverley_C said:I thought there was some hope when we started discussing sensible topics like food, health and coffee machines.
Now it is back to the same old trench warfare...
Come on Mike - get those Brexit-free days arranged.
I need some more shoes and I was looking at some lovely soft suede ankle boots yesterday. They were (supposedly) my size but there was no zipper on them and it was very difficult to get my foot round the turn from the leg into the boot so I gave up. Pity - they were really lovely otherwise with a 3" heel.
*sigh!*
a) The boot size may well be wrong. There appears to be considerable leeway in sizing
and
b) The shop would probably take it amiss if I started squirting talc into their stock
We also need to consider that
c) I had no talc with me, and
d) Talc is increasingly being linked with rashes and such as an irritant.
Finally
e) White talc, on dark wine suede. Are you mad? I would have white spots all over my boots
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That must be why the ECJ has permanent jurisdiction over EU citizens in the UK... Once again, your narrative doesn't survive basic contact with reality.SouthamObserver said:
Trade deals with any large economy will be on terms it dictates. We are learning that with both the EU and the US. China and Japan would be the same. Leaving the CU, and putting at risk the trade flows and supply lines it enables, for trade agreements with second and third tier economies 10 years down the line is nonsensical.Benpointer said:
Agreed. Any PB-leavers still thinking we will get a beneficial FTA with the US this side of 2025?SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
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How can you possibly make a statement like that. You simply do not know. Looks a bit like wishful thinking on your partElliot said:
A 10 year transition would destroy Leavers' support for the Tories. A staggered 5 could work.rcs1000 said:
Really?not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
I think that's extremely unlikely.
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.0 -
That makes no sense. Just like leaving the Customs Union.Elliot said:
That must be why the ECJ has permanent jurisdiction over EU citizens in the UK... Once again, your narrative doesn't survive basic contact with reality.SouthamObserver said:
Trade deals with any large economy will be on terms it dictates. We are learning that with both the EU and the US. China and Japan would be the same. Leaving the CU, and putting at risk the trade flows and supply lines it enables, for trade agreements with second and third tier economies 10 years down the line is nonsensical.Benpointer said:
Agreed. Any PB-leavers still thinking we will get a beneficial FTA with the US this side of 2025?SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
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The EU is the religion. Brexit is the atheists finally striking back and showing what a load of superstitious bollocks it really is.Beverley_C said:
Brexit is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
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Churchill's handling of the Bengal famine was a disgrace.FrancisUrquhart said:
What mr Churchill was a racist war criminal guy? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:
Journalist at The Independent.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
BUT he did win us the war.
The only people who have a problem are those that want everyone in life to be some perfect hero or villain. They never are.0 -
Good for Jacob!!0
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By talking to Leavers, which seems to be beyond the reach of most Remainers. Why don't you ask the Leavers on this very website how happy they would be with still being effectively in the EU more than twelve years after the referendum?MikeSmithson said:
How can you possibly make a statement like that. You simply do not know. Looks a bit like wishful thinking on your partElliot said:
A 10 year transition would destroy Leavers' support for the Tories. A staggered 5 could work.rcs1000 said:
Really?not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
I think that's extremely unlikely.
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.0 -
Even saints weren't always saints after all.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Churchill's handling of the Bengal famine was a disgrace.FrancisUrquhart said:
What mr Churchill was a racist war criminal guy? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:
Journalist at The Independent.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
BUT he did win us the war.
The only people who have a problem are those that want everyone in life to be some perfect hero or villain. They never are.0 -
Blockquote problem...I wasn’t asking if he was, I was asking if a muppet on twitter who called him this really worked for the independent.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Churchill's handling of the Bengal famine was a disgrace.FrancisUrquhart said:
What mr Churchill was a racist war criminal guy? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:
Journalist at The Independent.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
BUT he did win us the war.
The only people who have a problem are those that want everyone in life to be some perfect hero or villain. They never are.0 -
Oooh Senate special election in Mississippi
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I’ll just leave this here:Elliot said:
Actively taking money from a horrific regime to participate in their propaganda war against the West?TheJezziah said:I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/10/tory-mps-have-taken-much-money-from-russia-today-than-labour-mps/
Not sure Corbyn ever took money from Russia Today. It was the Iranians who paid him to host a show that gave a voice to anti-Semites and other pond life.
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You can certainly criticise much of Churchill's views on race, imperialism and war conduct, but the Bengal Famine attack is most unfair.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Churchill's handling of the Bengal famine was a disgrace.FrancisUrquhart said:
What mr Churchill was a racist war criminal guy? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:
Journalist at The Independent.FrancisUrquhart said:
Was he one of the twats that raided the cafe the other week?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/BenedictSpence/status/970731402357608448
BUT he did win us the war.
The only people who have a problem are those that want everyone in life to be some perfect hero or villain. They never are.
https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/did-churchill-cause-the-bengal-famine/0 -
Very tiresome whataboutism given none of those would be running our foreign policy.SouthamObserver said:
I’ll just leave this here:Elliot said:
Actively taking money from a horrific regime to participate in their propaganda war against the West?TheJezziah said:I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/10/tory-mps-have-taken-much-money-from-russia-today-than-labour-mps/
Not sure Corbyn ever took money from Russia Today. It was the Iranians who paid him to host a show that gave a voice to anti-Semites and other pond life.0 -
You could make the point without the swearing.Richard_Tyndall said:
The EU is the religion. Brexit is the atheists finally striking back and showing what a load of superstitious bollocks it really is.Beverley_C said:
Brexit is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
Good night everyone.0 -
Assuming the Mississippi GOP candidate is no Roy Moore it should be an easy GOP hold?0
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For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:
Really?not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
I think that's extremely unlikely.
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly, and in my view, negligently, surrendered. Even more will be pleased to see us stop contributing several billion annually (including 75% of our customs duties charged) for the administration of a bureaucracy and political project that very few in this country buy into.
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.0 -
It may now be a special election in November, which would make it even harder for the Dems to target.TheScreamingEagles said:Assuming the Mississippi GOP candidate is no Roy Moore it should be an easy GOP hold?
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Nope, that never crossed my mind.TheScreamingEagles said:
A pun so awesome you think I must have written it.Scott_P said:0 -
Assuming plays a pivotal role in that sentence, given what we know of GOP Primary voters in that region.TheScreamingEagles said:Assuming the Mississippi GOP candidate is no Roy Moore it should be an easy GOP hold?
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Come now, we were allowed to use the word bollocks (and damn for that matter) in creative writing assignments in primary school, so it is pretty darn mild as these things go.Beverley_C said:
You could make the point without the swearing.Richard_Tyndall said:
The EU is the religion. Brexit is the atheists finally striking back and showing what a load of superstitious bollocks it really is.Beverley_C said:
Brexit is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
It does seem as though 'shit' is increasingly acceptable as a mild curse if network television in the USA is anything to go by.0 -
It’s either OK to take money from RT or it’s not. I’m on the Not side.Elliot said:
Very tiresome whataboutism given none of those would be running our foreign policy.SouthamObserver said:
I’ll just leave this here:Elliot said:
Actively taking money from a horrific regime to participate in their propaganda war against the West?TheJezziah said:I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/10/tory-mps-have-taken-much-money-from-russia-today-than-labour-mps/
Not sure Corbyn ever took money from Russia Today. It was the Iranians who paid him to host a show that gave a voice to anti-Semites and other pond life.
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None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:
Really?not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
I think that's extremely unlikely.
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly, and in my view, negligently, surrendered. Even more will be pleased to see us stop contributing several billion annually (including 75% of our customs duties charged) for the administration of a bureaucracy and political project that very few in this country buy into.
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.0 -
What about those who have taken money from Murdoch? Fox News or some of the more extreme right wing US media in their propaganda war taken to any one, organisation or country which criticises or takes an action that they take to be inimical to the US?Elliot said:
Actively taking money from a horrific regime to participate in their propaganda war against the West?TheJezziah said:I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
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You really think millions of people would be happy to sacrifice supply chains, trade flows and well paid jobs so that the UK could be a full member state of the WTO? Not sure what that’s got to do with lattes.Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:
Really?not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
I think that's extremely unlikely.
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly, and in my view, negligently, surrendered. Even more will be pleased to see us stop contributing several billion annually (including 75% of our customs duties charged) for the administration of a bureaucracy and political project that very few in this country buy into.
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.
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Although Moore did seem a spectacularly bad candidate and still only just lost, so it'd be hard to match him!dixiedean said:
Assuming plays a pivotal role in that sentence, given what we know of GOP Primary voters in that region.TheScreamingEagles said:Assuming the Mississippi GOP candidate is no Roy Moore it should be an easy GOP hold?
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Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:
Really?not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
I think that's extremely unlikely.
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly, and in my view, negligently, surrendered. Even more will be pleased to see us stop contributing several billion annually (including 75% of our customs duties charged) for the administration of a bureaucracy and political project that very few in this country buy into.
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.0 -
PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rhode Island residents will have to pay a $20 fee to access sexually explicit content online if a recently introduced bill passes the General Assembly this session.
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Are any of those running brutal dictatorships that murder people on Britain's streets? So much of the left has lost any sense of principle over democracy and human rights in their bitter partisanship. The once great Labour movement has descended into the false equivalency of sixth form student unions.OchEye said:
What about those who have taken money from Murdoch? Fox News or some of the more extreme right wing US media in their propaganda war taken to any one, organisation or country which criticises or takes an action that they take to be inimical to the US?Elliot said:
Actively taking money from a horrific regime to participate in their propaganda war against the West?TheJezziah said:I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
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To be honest I do not think it makes any difference. Indeed in time it may help the UK but I am not counting on that. Trump is using it to hit back over Bombadier but of course he hurts Canada more than anyone, but tonight has said he will review the tariffs with Canada as part of a new trade agreementBenpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:
Really?not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
I think that's extremely unlikely.
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly, and in my view, negligently, surrendered. Even more will be pleased to see us stop contributing several billion annually (including 75% of our customs duties charged) for the administration of a bureaucracy and political project that very few in this country buy into.
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.0 -
"The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country."Mortimer said:
Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:not_on_fire said:
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly, and in my view, negligently, surrendered. Even more will be pleased to see us stop contributing several billion annually (including 75% of our customs duties charged) for the administration of a bureaucracy and political project that very few in this country buy into.
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.
How exactly?0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Surely extending article 50 is more logical than an open ended transition.
Sadly it looks like it the election will just be held as part of the midtermsTheScreamingEagles said:Oooh Senate special election in Mississippi
https://twitter.com/DanielStrauss4/status/970776391288541190
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Given the gradual reduction in the power of swear words to offend, will be ever need a stronger replacement for the c-word I wonder? If so, what would be a suitable candidate?kle4 said:
Come now, we were allowed to use the word bollocks (and damn for that matter) in creative writing assignments in primary school, so it is pretty darn mild as these things go.Beverley_C said:
You could make the point without the swearing.Richard_Tyndall said:
The EU is the religion. Brexit is the atheists finally striking back and showing what a load of superstitious bollocks it really is.Beverley_C said:
Brexit is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
It does seem as though 'shit' is increasingly acceptable as a mild curse if network television in the USA is anything to go by.0 -
I agree and already criticised them as useful idiots downthread. What is pathetic is that you think "well some of them did it too" means we can shrug off the actions of a potential Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Jeremy Corbyn has been thick as thieves with some horrific regimes, including ones that have innocent civilians murdered for protesting for democracy. But Theresa May is wrong on customs checks, so they're both as bad as each other, right?SouthamObserver said:
It’s either OK to take money from RT or it’s not. I’m on the Not side.Elliot said:
Very tiresome whataboutism given none of those would be running our foreign policy.SouthamObserver said:
I’ll just leave this here:Elliot said:
Actively taking money from a horrific regime to participate in their propaganda war against the West?TheJezziah said:I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/10/tory-mps-have-taken-much-money-from-russia-today-than-labour-mps/
Not sure Corbyn ever took money from Russia Today. It was the Iranians who paid him to host a show that gave a voice to anti-Semites and other pond life.0 -
Go you are so right - self determination is so overrated - cancel elections and make Corbyn the President.Benpointer said:
"The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country."Mortimer said:
Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:not_on_fire said:
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.
How exactly?0 -
Good idea - think how much could be raised in the UK if we followed a similar approach!FrancisUrquhart said:PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rhode Island residents will have to pay a $20 fee to access sexually explicit content online if a recently introduced bill passes the General Assembly this session.
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20180302/ri-bill-would-impose-fee-for-accessing-online-porn0 -
'Dash it' as my dear late Father would sayBenpointer said:
Given the gradual reduction in the power of swear words to offend, will be ever need a stronger replacement for the c-word I wonder? If so, what would be a suitable candidate?kle4 said:
Come now, we were allowed to use the word bollocks (and damn for that matter) in creative writing assignments in primary school, so it is pretty darn mild as these things go.Beverley_C said:
You could make the point without the swearing.Richard_Tyndall said:
The EU is the religion. Brexit is the atheists finally striking back and showing what a load of superstitious bollocks it really is.Beverley_C said:
Brexit is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
It does seem as though 'shit' is increasingly acceptable as a mild curse if network television in the USA is anything to go by.0 -
Domestic policy and economic behaviours will be directly influenced by our leaving the EU. So, for example, if we crash out of the Customs Union and that leads to a reduction in the number of well-paid manufacturing jobs in certain parts of the country, that will have a negative effect on the lical economies affected - which will then feed into a wide range of issues over a longer term - see, for example, the long term consequences of deindustrialisation in many parts of the UK.Mortimer said:
Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:
Really?not_on_fire said:If the transition is really 5-10 years long then the most likely way it will end is the UK rejoining the EU
I think that's extremely unlikely.
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
Many, many millions of the administration of a bureaucracy and political project that very few in this country buy into.
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.
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Santorum?Big_G_NorthWales said:
'Dash it' as my dear late Father would sayBenpointer said:
Given the gradual reduction in the power of swear words to offend, will be ever need a stronger replacement for the c-word I wonder? If so, what would be a suitable candidate?kle4 said:
Come now, we were allowed to use the word bollocks (and damn for that matter) in creative writing assignments in primary school, so it is pretty darn mild as these things go.Beverley_C said:
You could make the point without the swearing.Richard_Tyndall said:
The EU is the religion. Brexit is the atheists finally striking back and showing what a load of superstitious bollocks it really is.Beverley_C said:
Brexit is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
It does seem as though 'shit' is increasingly acceptable as a mild curse if network television in the USA is anything to go by.0 -
$20! Most porn sites only charge $5-10.FrancisUrquhart said:PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rhode Island residents will have to pay a $20 fee to access sexually explicit content online if a recently introduced bill passes the General Assembly this session.
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20180302/ri-bill-would-impose-fee-for-accessing-online-porn
Or so TSE told me.0 -
You really need me to explain?Benpointer said:
"The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country."Mortimer said:
Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:FF43 said:rcs1000 said:not_on_fire said:
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.
How exactly?
Legislate freely on domestic policy: have laws that suit our people
Control our immigration policy: reduce downward pressure on wages, reduce demand for public services, savings made by not have to provide welfare entitlement for newly arrived EU citizens
Vary our sales tax: reduce tax on certain necessities, e.g. Tampons, the ability to change the way we tax consumption entirely
Construct a tariff schedule for our people: encourage the import of goods that we need to reduce prices for consumers
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I am not shrugging off Corbyn’s actions. I think they make him unelectable.Elliot said:
I agree and already criticised them as useful idiots downthread. What is pathetic is that you think "well some of them did it too" means we can shrug off the actions of a potential Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Jeremy Corbyn has been thick as thieves with some horrific regimes, including ones that have innocent civilians murdered for protesting for democracy. But Theresa May is wrong on customs checks, so they're both as bad as each other, right?SouthamObserver said:
It’s either OK to take money from RT or it’s not. I’m on the Not side.Elliot said:
Very tiresome whataboutism given none of those would be running our foreign policy.SouthamObserver said:
I’ll just leave this here:Elliot said:
Actively taking money from a horrific regime to participate in their propaganda war against the West?TheJezziah said:I never really understood the wailing about appearing on RT, beyond propaganda purposes to condemn individuals for appearing on there is there actually a practical complaint?
https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/10/tory-mps-have-taken-much-money-from-russia-today-than-labour-mps/
Not sure Corbyn ever took money from Russia Today. It was the Iranians who paid him to host a show that gave a voice to anti-Semites and other pond life.
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I have no idea Ben - you seem to think it would be a lot, but more likely the money raised by the hackers obtaining the subscribers details would raise many millionsBenpointer said:
Good idea - think how much could be raised in the UK if we followed a similar approach!FrancisUrquhart said:PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rhode Island residents will have to pay a $20 fee to access sexually explicit content online if a recently introduced bill passes the General Assembly this session.
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I could but I choose not to. I subscribe to the Stephen Fry school of thought about swearing.Beverley_C said:
You could make the point without the swearing.Richard_Tyndall said:
The EU is the religion. Brexit is the atheists finally striking back and showing what a load of superstitious bollocks it really is.Beverley_C said:
Brexit is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
Good night everyone.
“The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest is just a fucking lunatic.”0 -
The average person in the street will have not one jot more ability to alter the way they are governed after Brexit. The vast majority of votes are completely wasted in our FPT system anyway; most MPs follow Sir Joseph Porter's approach and alwys vote as their party tells them too; in all likelihood we will end up largely following EU rules we'll have had no chance to influence.TGOHF said:
Go you are so right - self determination is so overrated - cancel elections and make Corbyn the President.Benpointer said:
"The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country."Mortimer said:
Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.
How exactly?0 -
Off topic, but I see Sir Wradley Biggins categorically states he and his team never crossed an ethical line in career. Though the thought occurs those who tip toe over the line never consider it crossing the line, do they?0
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$20?Benpointer said:
Good idea - think how much could be raised in the UK if we followed a similar approach!FrancisUrquhart said:PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rhode Island residents will have to pay a $20 fee to access sexually explicit content online if a recently introduced bill passes the General Assembly this session.
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20180302/ri-bill-would-impose-fee-for-accessing-online-porn0 -
Indeed. And tbf, Doug Jones was just about as good a Dem candidate as possible, However...kle4 said:
Although Moore did seem a spectacularly bad candidate and still only just lost, so it'd be hard to match him!dixiedean said:
Assuming plays a pivotal role in that sentence, given what we know of GOP Primary voters in that region.TheScreamingEagles said:Assuming the Mississippi GOP candidate is no Roy Moore it should be an easy GOP hold?
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Without commenting on any particular case, I wouldn't exactly be surprised if what is happening is a little bit like in formula 1. The rules come out and the first thing programmes do is work out how far they can stretch the elastic band and still be within them.kle4 said:Off topic, but I see Sir Wradley Biggins categorically states he and his team never crossed an ethical line in career. Though the thought occurs those who tip toe over the line never consider it crossing the line, do they?
Its amazing how many elite athletes appear to suffer from one condition or another and require a TUE (at least some of the time).0 -
I'm thinking things will actually go into reverse and archaic swears which are currently faintly comical will become once more shockingly vulgar.Benpointer said:
Given the gradual reduction in the power of swear words to offend, will be ever need a stronger replacement for the c-word I wonder? If so, what would be a suitable candidate?kle4 said:
Come now, we were allowed to use the word bollocks (and damn for that matter) in creative writing assignments in primary school, so it is pretty darn mild as these things go.Beverley_C said:
You could make the point without the swearing.Richard_Tyndall said:
The EU is the religion. Brexit is the atheists finally striking back and showing what a load of superstitious bollocks it really is.Beverley_C said:
Brexit is a religion - facts are both unnecessary and unwelcomeTheScreamingEagles said:
Donald Trump's trade war is throwing a spanner into the works on that front for Brexiteers.SouthamObserver said:The ability to do FTAs seems to be becoming less of a selling point for Brexit by the day. Given that, why rush out of the Customs Union?
It does seem as though 'shit' is increasingly acceptable as a mild curse if network television in the USA is anything to go by.0 -
You have totally failed to convince me - and I am sure I will never convince you.Mortimer said:
You really need me to explain?Benpointer said:
"The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country."Mortimer said:
Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:FF43 said:rcs1000 said:not_on_fire said:
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.
How exactly?
Legislate freely on domestic policy: have laws that suit our people
Control our immigration policy: reduce downward pressure on wages, reduce demand for public services, savings made by not have to provide welfare entitlement for newly arrived EU citizens
Vary our sales tax: reduce tax on certain necessities, e.g. Tampons, the ability to change the way we tax consumption entirely
Construct a tariff schedule for our people: encourage the import of goods that we need to reduce prices for consumers0 -
Until the day comes that you want to change the rules. Then you might be grateful we had the freedom to do it.Benpointer said:
The average person in the street will have not one jot more ability to alter the way they are governed after Brexit. The vast majority of votes are completely wasted in our FPT system anyway; most MPs follow Sir Joseph Porter's approach and alwys vote as their party tells them too; in all likelihood we will end up largely following EU rules we'll have had no chance to influence.TGOHF said:
Go you are so right - self determination is so overrated - cancel elections and make Corbyn the President.Benpointer said:
"The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country."Mortimer said:
Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:
For about the billionth time, it isn't all about Lattes.FF43 said:
The problem with the accession in reverse timetable is the lack of desirable alternatives. We like our car and airplane factories with their supply chains. We like our financial services providing tax for healthcare. We don't really want to go back to customs controls on the Irish border. We won't get third country trade arrangements as good as the ones we have already. There will be the temptation to hold back until the alternatives.are better.rcs1000 said:
Many, many millions of people will be happy to end free movement, gain control of our immigration policy, regain our seat at the WTO and be able to vary our VAT levels. More still will be glad to regain the democratic rights over domestic policy that British politicians foolishly
These are concrete gains that will come from Brexit.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.
How exactly?
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All this depends on the terms under which we leave the EU and the final relationship we end up agreeing. If the ability to reduce VAT on tampons also entails significantly reduced inward investment then it may not be worth it.Mortimer said:
You really need me to explain?Benpointer said:
"The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country."Mortimer said:
Condescension alert.Benpointer said:
None of them will improve anyone's life one iota - especially when set against the disruption and adverse economic impact which leaving is going to cause. We are opting out of a huge single market just as a trade war is kicking off. Perfect!Mortimer said:FF43 said:rcs1000 said:not_on_fire said:
If we were to have a five year transition, then I would expect that it would be staggered. (Making up things below rather than proposing this exact schedule...)
So, X + 1 day, we leave the CFP and CAP, and are able to negotiate our own trade deals.
X + 1 year, leave single market, with free movement, and the following EU administered bodies (ESA, Erasmus, etc.)
X + 3 years, leave more EU administered bodies.
X + 5 years, formally leave customs union having negotiated replacement deals.
The freedom to legislate freely on domestic policy, control our immigration policy, vary our sales tax and construct a tariff schedule designed solely for this people of this country, rather than a compromise for a large bloc, will certainly improve lives of the people of this country.
Economic outcomes will be FAR more influenced by domestic policy (and the economic behaviour of our people) than by our leaving the EU.
How exactly?
Legislate freely on domestic policy: have laws that suit our people
Control our immigration policy: reduce downward pressure on wages, reduce demand for public services, savings made by not have to provide welfare entitlement for newly arrived EU citizens
Vary our sales tax: reduce tax on certain necessities, e.g. Tampons, the ability to change the way we tax consumption entirely
Construct a tariff schedule for our people: encourage the import of goods that we need to reduce prices for consumers
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I suspect there may be other subscribers RCS, not just you.rcs1000 said:
$20?Benpointer said:
Good idea - think how much could be raised in the UK if we followed a similar approach!FrancisUrquhart said:PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rhode Island residents will have to pay a $20 fee to access sexually explicit content online if a recently introduced bill passes the General Assembly this session.
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20180302/ri-bill-would-impose-fee-for-accessing-online-porn
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One thing that unites Brexiteers is the way "I" elides into "we" without much thought.welshowl said:Until the day comes that you want to change the rules. Then you might be grateful we had the freedom to do it.
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AI cracks the opaque language of lawyers, outperforming them dramatically.....
https://mashable.com/2018/02/26/ai-beats-humans-at-contracts/
The disintermediation of law is going to,be very interesting to watch.0 -
Not me. Perish the thought. Not least because I'm in the US.Benpointer said:
I suspect there may other subscribers RCS, not just you.rcs1000 said:
$20?Benpointer said:
Good idea - think how much could be raised in the UK if we followed a similar approach!FrancisUrquhart said:PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rhode Island residents will have to pay a $20 fee to access sexually explicit content online if a recently introduced bill passes the General Assembly this session.
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20180302/ri-bill-would-impose-fee-for-accessing-online-porn
I was thinking of TSE.0
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