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Well, the Medes and Persians liked it that way:kle4 said:
It doesn't matter if it says that, the principle of being able to amend exists. And a sound principle too, since why on earth would anyone want a law created that no one could ever repeal under any circumstances?Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
"Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed." Daniel 6:15.
And I can imagine a Corbyn led administration wanting to entrench laws about the means of production belonging to the workers, say. A no repeal ever clause would be unlikely, but if they went for a 75% majority in both Houses threshold that would be in line with the US Constitution (or is that 2/3rds?)0 -
But Parliament could amend the act with a simple majority.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, the Medes and Persians liked it that way:kle4 said:
It doesn't matter if it says that, the principle of being able to amend exists. And a sound principle too, since why on earth would anyone want a law created that no one could ever repeal under any circumstances?Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
"Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed." Daniel 6:15.
And I can imagine a Corbyn led administration wanting to entrench laws about the means of production belonging to the workers, say. A no repeal ever clause would be unlikely, but if they went for a 75% majority in both Houses threshold that would be in line with the US Constitution (or is that 2/3rds?)0 -
Just a courtesy: limits the risk of a future dispute.Ishmael_Z said:
In which case, why would you need the amendment prior to repeal? You wouldn't - you are right second time.Charles said:
Wouldn't work - because an Act of Parliament can override existing law...Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
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Mr. Z, their laws were not proof against Macedonian spears.0
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Again, you would apply your threshold to amendments as well as repeals - like the US again. (It's 2/3rds there btw).RobD said:
But Parliament could amend the act with a simple majority.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, the Medes and Persians liked it that way:kle4 said:
It doesn't matter if it says that, the principle of being able to amend exists. And a sound principle too, since why on earth would anyone want a law created that no one could ever repeal under any circumstances?Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
"Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed." Daniel 6:15.
And I can imagine a Corbyn led administration wanting to entrench laws about the means of production belonging to the workers, say. A no repeal ever clause would be unlikely, but if they went for a 75% majority in both Houses threshold that would be in line with the US Constitution (or is that 2/3rds?)0 -
I don't think that's possible.Ishmael_Z said:
Again, you would apply your threshold to amendments as well as repeals - like the US again. (It's 2/3rds there btw).RobD said:
But Parliament could amend the act with a simple majority.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, the Medes and Persians liked it that way:kle4 said:
It doesn't matter if it says that, the principle of being able to amend exists. And a sound principle too, since why on earth would anyone want a law created that no one could ever repeal under any circumstances?Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
"Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed." Daniel 6:15.
And I can imagine a Corbyn led administration wanting to entrench laws about the means of production belonging to the workers, say. A no repeal ever clause would be unlikely, but if they went for a 75% majority in both Houses threshold that would be in line with the US Constitution (or is that 2/3rds?)0 -
May to pledge to keep the European arrest warrant and stay tied to Europol.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/theresa-may-pledges-to-keep-eu-arrest-warrant-and-europol-links-lj2pkx6lg0 -
It would certainly get very weird. It might be up to the Speakers of the 2 Houses to decline to allow a vote on a Bill with such a clause in it.RobD said:
I don't think that's possible.Ishmael_Z said:
Again, you would apply your threshold to amendments as well as repeals - like the US again. (It's 2/3rds there btw).RobD said:
But Parliament could amend the act with a simple majority.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, the Medes and Persians liked it that way:kle4 said:
It doesn't matter if it says that, the principle of being able to amend exists. And a sound principle too, since why on earth would anyone want a law created that no one could ever repeal under any circumstances?Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
"Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed." Daniel 6:15.
And I can imagine a Corbyn led administration wanting to entrench laws about the means of production belonging to the workers, say. A no repeal ever clause would be unlikely, but if they went for a 75% majority in both Houses threshold that would be in line with the US Constitution (or is that 2/3rds?)0 -
Lord Hailsham did - he proposed it when thinking about a written constitution in the 1970s.RobD said:
I don't think that's possible.Ishmael_Z said:
Again, you would apply your threshold to amendments as well as repeals - like the US again. (It's 2/3rds there btw).RobD said:
But Parliament could amend the act with a simple majority.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, the Medes and Persians liked it that way:kle4 said:
It doesn't matter if it says that, the principle of being able to amend exists. And a sound principle too, since why on earth would anyone want a law created that no one could ever repeal under any circumstances?Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
"Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed." Daniel 6:15.
And I can imagine a Corbyn led administration wanting to entrench laws about the means of production belonging to the workers, say. A no repeal ever clause would be unlikely, but if they went for a 75% majority in both Houses threshold that would be in line with the US Constitution (or is that 2/3rds?)0 -
Or they would rightly ignore any such attempt at entrenchment.Ishmael_Z said:
It would certainly get very weird. It might be up to the Speakers of the 2 Houses to decline to allow a vote on a Bill with such a clause in it.RobD said:
I don't think that's possible.Ishmael_Z said:
Again, you would apply your threshold to amendments as well as repeals - like the US again. (It's 2/3rds there btw).RobD said:
But Parliament could amend the act with a simple majority.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, the Medes and Persians liked it that way:kle4 said:
It doesn't matter if it says that, the principle of being able to amend exists. And a sound principle too, since why on earth would anyone want a law created that no one could ever repeal under any circumstances?Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
"Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed." Daniel 6:15.
And I can imagine a Corbyn led administration wanting to entrench laws about the means of production belonging to the workers, say. A no repeal ever clause would be unlikely, but if they went for a 75% majority in both Houses threshold that would be in line with the US Constitution (or is that 2/3rds?)0 -
That doesn't mean it's possible now, it just means he thought it would be a good idea.ydoethur said:
Lord Hailsham did - he proposed it when thinking about a written constitution in the 1970s.RobD said:
I don't think that's possible.Ishmael_Z said:
Again, you would apply your threshold to amendments as well as repeals - like the US again. (It's 2/3rds there btw).RobD said:
But Parliament could amend the act with a simple majority.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, the Medes and Persians liked it that way:kle4 said:
It doesn't matter if it says that, the principle of being able to amend exists. And a sound principle too, since why on earth would anyone want a law created that no one could ever repeal under any circumstances?Ishmael_Z said:
So the forewarned draftsman would amend his clause to "This Act can neither be amended nor repealed."Charles said:
Some bored lawyer looked at that case. Technically I think you would need to amend the law first to take out the anti-repeal provision...Ishmael_Z said:
No you aren't. Or rather, parliament isn't. If the Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act contains a clause which says "This Act cannot be repealed", the Act can nonetheless be repealed.View_From_Cumbria said:
Of all the myths of British democracy the idea parliament cannot bind its successors is surely the most dishonest. Regardless of the maxim when you are elected to any public office you are ALWAYS bound by the actions of your predecessors.agingjb said:Since a parliament cannot bind its successors, how can the result of a referendum called by one parliament continue to have absolute democratic force after a general election has created a new parliament?
"Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed." Daniel 6:15.
And I can imagine a Corbyn led administration wanting to entrench laws about the means of production belonging to the workers, say. A no repeal ever clause would be unlikely, but if they went for a 75% majority in both Houses threshold that would be in line with the US Constitution (or is that 2/3rds?)0 -
The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.0
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Referendums are NEVER about what they purport to be about. The electorate might well hijack such a referendum, to register a protest against the ludicrous misconception on the part of the government of the day, that Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.TheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
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I’d be fine with that, so long as the same threshold was used for changing from FPTP.TheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
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First, pass the pineapple.RobD said:
I’d be fine with that, so long as the same threshold was used for changing from FPTP.TheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
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Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
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Said government would pass a law banning Die Hard from being shown/watched during December.Ishmael_Z said:
Referendums are NEVER about what they purport to be about. The electorate might well hijack such a referendum, to register a protest against the ludicrous misconception on the part of the government of the day, that Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.TheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
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Pickers tend to be east Europeans and packers and processors a mixture of local people and east Europeans. If they stop horticulture local people will lose their jobs too.Charles said:
Also they are dropping seasonal workers - presumably temporary migrants.kyf_100 said:
Turnover of 101m. 1150 employees.TheScreamingEagles said:One of the biggest growers of berries in the UK is moving part of its business to China because it cannot guarantee it will find enough fruit pickers available to work.
Up to 200 seasonal jobs have gone at Haygrove’s farm in Ledbury, Herefordshire, and some of the company’s raspberry and blueberry-growing will be relocated to Yunnan province in China because of uncertainty over migrant labour due to Brexit.
Angus Davison, the founder of Haygrove, said: “In the UK we employ 230 full-time and 1,150 seasonal workers, but we are now reducing that to 950 because of Brexit nervousness.” The company has a turnover of £101m.
“We are already out of time,” he says, explaining that he can’t afford to wait for Theresa May to reveal her immigration policy as this year’s harvest was planned last year.
Davison has written to Theresa May, pleading with her to take urgent action. “Unless a seasonal workers scheme is put in place, you must expect to see the steep decline of this significant rural employer and source of food,” he wrote.
“It is appreciated that treating one industry differently to another is difficult; however agriculture, unlike construction and hospitality, can be exported. If enough people are not made available to do the work, the work can be taken to the people.”
The prime minster has not replied.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/11/british-farmer-moves-fruit-growing-to-china-over-brexit-uncertainty
Have they considered paying their workers more? Just a thought.
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The true face of the "benificent" dictator is finally revealed.....TheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
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Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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I can't tell if your post is satire, or whether you actually mean it ...volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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First pizza, then pineapple?williamglenn said:
First, pass the pineapple.RobD said:
I’d be fine with that, so long as the same threshold was used for changing from FPTP.TheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
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Don't you have to eat it first?williamglenn said:
First, pass the pineapple.RobD said:
I’d be fine with that, so long as the same threshold was used for changing from FPTP.TheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
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Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.0 -
I've read the article, but there doesn't seem to be any indication of what might happen to the land they abandon. Somebody else might decide it was worth having a go at, as an existing business. Or perhaps the land could be turned over to new housing.TheScreamingEagles said:One of the biggest growers of berries in the UK is moving part of its business to China because it cannot guarantee it will find enough fruit pickers available to work.
Up to 200 seasonal jobs have gone at Haygrove’s farm in Ledbury, Herefordshire, and some of the company’s raspberry and blueberry-growing will be relocated to Yunnan province in China because of uncertainty over migrant labour due to Brexit.
Angus Davison, the founder of Haygrove, said: “In the UK we employ 230 full-time and 1,150 seasonal workers, but we are now reducing that to 950 because of Brexit nervousness.” The company has a turnover of £101m.
“We are already out of time,” he says, explaining that he can’t afford to wait for Theresa May to reveal her immigration policy as this year’s harvest was planned last year.
Davison has written to Theresa May, pleading with her to take urgent action. “Unless a seasonal workers scheme is put in place, you must expect to see the steep decline of this significant rural employer and source of food,” he wrote.
“It is appreciated that treating one industry differently to another is difficult; however agriculture, unlike construction and hospitality, can be exported. If enough people are not made available to do the work, the work can be taken to the people.”
The prime minster has not replied.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/11/british-farmer-moves-fruit-growing-to-china-over-brexit-uncertainty
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I believe you have a young child/children. Where the heck do you get time to go to the cinema, yet alone regularly enough to warrant a cineworld card? I'm obviously doing (many) things wrong ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.0 -
Since I moved back in with my parents I've had so much spare time.JosiasJessop said:
I believe you have a young child/children. Where the heck do you get time to go to the cinema, yet alone regularly enough to warrant a cineworld card? I'm obviously doing (many) things wrong ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
They love being grandparents and provide me with 168 hours a week of free childcare.
I can sneak in one or two films during the week and if I'm lucky two on a Friday night.0 -
Fascinating hearing the difference in the coverage of Oxfam scandal vs presidents club.
On Radio Daily Mirror they managed to blame the Daily Mail (because of their undercover reporting of phone banks they already tarred the name of charities) and the lack of international regulations on sex offenders for this issue with Oxfam and of course bent over backwards to bang on about all the good work they do.0 -
Good evening all.
SAWS (Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme) and its predecessors used to provide seasonal workers from a wide range of European countries (including Russia and the Ukraine). By the time SAWS closed in 2013, the workers were almost exclusively Romanian and Bulgarian (this was due to regulation, but also in recognition that A8 workers were voting with their feet). It was closed when A2 transitional controls ceased.
Here's a useful link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/257242/migrant-seasonal-workers.pdf
It's hard to sustain seasonal workers, they are literally the poor whites of the workforce. No one wants to do it - one of the prices we're paying for the economic recovery in Eastern Europe is that more opportunities are opening up over there - it's not just down to Brexit.
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Ah Cineworld catering!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
Everything, I mean literally everything about refreshments at Cineworld is utterly, utterly crap. A piss-poor selection of Baskin Robbins(!) ice-creams, sludgy hot-dogs, limp tacos with chemical dips, or bags of overpriced sweets constitute the full offering. Service is slow and sullen. Prices are outrageous (£3.25 for a bag of Maltesers!) No wonder most people bring their own food & drink in these days.
Is there a bigger missed business opportunity today in Britain? Come-on Cineworld outsource the catering to a company that knows how to do it!0 -
Doesn't that describe all the cinema chains? Crap overpriced food?Benpointer said:
Ah Cineworld catering!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
Everything, I mean literally everything about refreshments at Cineworld is utterly, utterly crap. A piss-poor selection of Baskin Robbins(!) ice-creams, sludgy hot-dogs, limp tacos with chemical dips, or bags of overpriced sweets constitute the full offering. Service is slow and sullen. Prices are outrageous (£3.25 for a bag of Maltesers!) No wonder most people bring their own food & drink in these days.
Is there a bigger missed business opportunity today in Britain? Come-on Cineworld outsource the catering to a company that knows how to do it!0 -
Yeah, we never had power cuts in the 70s when I was growing up. There wasn't the 3 day week or a series of rolling power cuts or the time that schools were closed because of fuel strikes. Nothing at all like that.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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Who goes to the cinema for the dining experience? Other than that delicious-sounding pineapple pizza offering TSE mentioned, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:
Doesn't that describe all the cinema chains? Crap overpriced food?Benpointer said:
Ah Cineworld catering!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
Everything, I mean literally everything about refreshments at Cineworld is utterly, utterly crap. A piss-poor selection of Baskin Robbins(!) ice-creams, sludgy hot-dogs, limp tacos with chemical dips, or bags of overpriced sweets constitute the full offering. Service is slow and sullen. Prices are outrageous (£3.25 for a bag of Maltesers!) No wonder most people bring their own food & drink in these days.
Is there a bigger missed business opportunity today in Britain? Come-on Cineworld outsource the catering to a company that knows how to do it!0 -
We just take our own snacks in tbhTheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card. 0 -
Probably, But Cineworld outdo the rest imo. There is such potential to do it so much better. For the life of me I can't see why they feel the need to inflict some faux American-style offering on the UK.FrancisUrquhart said:
Doesn't that describe all the cinema chains? Crap overpriced food?Benpointer said:
Ah Cineworld catering!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
Everything, I mean literally everything about refreshments at Cineworld is utterly, utterly crap. A piss-poor selection of Baskin Robbins(!) ice-creams, sludgy hot-dogs, limp tacos with chemical dips, or bags of overpriced sweets constitute the full offering. Service is slow and sullen. Prices are outrageous (£3.25 for a bag of Maltesers!) No wonder most people bring their own food & drink in these days.
Is there a bigger missed business opportunity today in Britain? Come-on Cineworld outsource the catering to a company that knows how to do it!0 -
You go to the cinema to see decent films.RobD said:
Who goes to the cinema for the dining experience? Other than that delicious-sounding pineapple pizza offering TSE mentioned, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:
Doesn't that describe all the cinema chains? Crap overpriced food?Benpointer said:
Ah Cineworld catering!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
Everything, I mean literally everything about refreshments at Cineworld is utterly, utterly crap. A piss-poor selection of Baskin Robbins(!) ice-creams, sludgy hot-dogs, limp tacos with chemical dips, or bags of overpriced sweets constitute the full offering. Service is slow and sullen. Prices are outrageous (£3.25 for a bag of Maltesers!) No wonder most people bring their own food & drink in these days.
Is there a bigger missed business opportunity today in Britain? Come-on Cineworld outsource the catering to a company that knows how to do it!
Unfortunately what you get is The Last Jedi.0 -
If this was north Korea and I was little rocket man I would ban all food and drink in cinemas...If it isn't the annoying crunching, it is somebody who has drink 3l of coke and has to go for a whizz every 5 mins.RobD said:
Who goes to the cinema for the dining experience? Other than that delicious-sounding pineapple pizza offering TSE mentioned, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:
Doesn't that describe all the cinema chains? Crap overpriced food?Benpointer said:
Ah Cineworld catering!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
Everything, I mean literally everything about refreshments at Cineworld is utterly, utterly crap. A piss-poor selection of Baskin Robbins(!) ice-creams, sludgy hot-dogs, limp tacos with chemical dips, or bags of overpriced sweets constitute the full offering. Service is slow and sullen. Prices are outrageous (£3.25 for a bag of Maltesers!) No wonder most people bring their own food & drink in these days.
Is there a bigger missed business opportunity today in Britain? Come-on Cineworld outsource the catering to a company that knows how to do it!0 -
The trailer for the hans solo movie isn't filling me with much confidence.....ydoethur said:
You go to the cinema to see decent films.RobD said:
Who goes to the cinema for the dining experience? Other than that delicious-sounding pineapple pizza offering TSE mentioned, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:
Doesn't that describe all the cinema chains? Crap overpriced food?Benpointer said:
Ah Cineworld catering!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
Everything, I mean literally everything about refreshments at Cineworld is utterly, utterly crap. A piss-poor selection of Baskin Robbins(!) ice-creams, sludgy hot-dogs, limp tacos with chemical dips, or bags of overpriced sweets constitute the full offering. Service is slow and sullen. Prices are outrageous (£3.25 for a bag of Maltesers!) No wonder most people bring their own food & drink in these days.
Is there a bigger missed business opportunity today in Britain? Come-on Cineworld outsource the catering to a company that knows how to do it!
Unfortunately what you get is The Last Jedi.0 -
Ah, okay. So in one way lucky: free childcare. In another way unlucky: living with parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Since I moved back in with my parents I've had so much spare time.JosiasJessop said:
I believe you have a young child/children. Where the heck do you get time to go to the cinema, yet alone regularly enough to warrant a cineworld card? I'm obviously doing (many) things wrong ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
They love being grandparents and provide me with 168 hours a week of free childcare.
I can sneak in one or two films during the week and if I'm lucky two on a Friday night.
(I love my parents dearly, but I start to go a little craz(y/ier) if I spend more than three consecutive nights under their roof).0 -
Oh, the fun of bringing your own candle to work. Luckily that was in the days before computers were on every desk, we used things called calculators which had a crank handle.oxfordsimon said:
Yeah, we never had power cuts in the 70s when I was growing up. There wasn't the 3 day week or a series of rolling power cuts or the time that schools were closed because of fuel strikes. Nothing at all like that.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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Instead of the cinema, try the theatre. We got some unexpected babysitting last weekend, and as there was nothing decent on at the cinema, we tried the theatre. 'Pressure' was on, written by, and starring, David Haig.
A very enjoyable afternoon, albeit probably five times more expensive than the cinema.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_(play)0 -
That's what I normally do, but I tried out VIP when it opened, wasn't that impressed.Pulpstar said:
We just take our own snacks in tbhTheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
£19 a film for Cineworld card holders and £29 for non card holders, I get better value going to Frankie & Benny's, Bella Italia, Pizza Hut et al nearby.
I got my second VIP tickets for free when I kicked off when I originally booked my first showing at no point did they tell you that you needed to get there an hour before the film starts to enjoy the VIP benefits.
The IMAX and 4DX experiences are much better.0 -
I'm quite lucky, my parents don't drive me mad, apart from the rare occasions my mother mentions the benefits of an arranged marriage.JosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So in one way lucky: free childcare. In another way unlucky: living with parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Since I moved back in with my parents I've had so much spare time.JosiasJessop said:
I believe you have a young child/children. Where the heck do you get time to go to the cinema, yet alone regularly enough to warrant a cineworld card? I'm obviously doing (many) things wrong ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
They love being grandparents and provide me with 168 hours a week of free childcare.
I can sneak in one or two films during the week and if I'm lucky two on a Friday night.
(I love my parents dearly, but I start to go a little craz(y/ier) if I spend more than three consecutive nights under their roof).0 -
Have you asked them their views on AV, fruit-based pizzas?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite lucky, my parents don't drive me mad, apart from the rare occasions my mother mentions the benefits of an arranged marriage.JosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So in one way lucky: free childcare. In another way unlucky: living with parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Since I moved back in with my parents I've had so much spare time.JosiasJessop said:
I believe you have a young child/children. Where the heck do you get time to go to the cinema, yet alone regularly enough to warrant a cineworld card? I'm obviously doing (many) things wrong ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
They love being grandparents and provide me with 168 hours a week of free childcare.
I can sneak in one or two films during the week and if I'm lucky two on a Friday night.
(I love my parents dearly, but I start to go a little craz(y/ier) if I spend more than three consecutive nights under their roof).
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Nope, first questions will be about if they'd like to be in a harem and their views on concubines.RobD said:
Have you asked them their views on AV, fruit-based pizzas?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite lucky, my parents don't drive me mad, apart from the rare occasions my mother mentions the benefits of an arranged marriage.JosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So in one way lucky: free childcare. In another way unlucky: living with parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Since I moved back in with my parents I've had so much spare time.JosiasJessop said:
I believe you have a young child/children. Where the heck do you get time to go to the cinema, yet alone regularly enough to warrant a cineworld card? I'm obviously doing (many) things wrong ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
They love being grandparents and provide me with 168 hours a week of free childcare.
I can sneak in one or two films during the week and if I'm lucky two on a Friday night.
(I love my parents dearly, but I start to go a little craz(y/ier) if I spend more than three consecutive nights under their roof).0 -
Know the feeling, feel the pain (although for your sake I hope it's not for the same reason).JosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So in one way lucky: free childcare. In another way unlucky: living with parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Since I moved back in with my parents I've had so much spare time.JosiasJessop said:
I believe you have a young child/children. Where the heck do you get time to go to the cinema, yet alone regularly enough to warrant a cineworld card? I'm obviously doing (many) things wrong ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
They love being grandparents and provide me with 168 hours a week of free childcare.
I can sneak in one or two films during the week and if I'm lucky two on a Friday night.
(I love my parents dearly, but I start to go a little craz(y/ier) if I spend more than three consecutive nights under their roof).0 -
I do hope you mean the prospective spouse rather than your parents!TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, first questions will be about if they'd like to be in a harem and their views on concubines.RobD said:
Have you asked them their views on AV, fruit-based pizzas?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite lucky, my parents don't drive me mad, apart from the rare occasions my mother mentions the benefits of an arranged marriage.JosiasJessop said:
Ah, okay. So in one way lucky: free childcare. In another way unlucky: living with parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Since I moved back in with my parents I've had so much spare time.JosiasJessop said:
I believe you have a young child/children. Where the heck do you get time to go to the cinema, yet alone regularly enough to warrant a cineworld card? I'm obviously doing (many) things wrong ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
They love being grandparents and provide me with 168 hours a week of free childcare.
I can sneak in one or two films during the week and if I'm lucky two on a Friday night.
(I love my parents dearly, but I start to go a little craz(y/ier) if I spend more than three consecutive nights under their roof).0 -
What senior Tory would describe something as 'mental'? What senior anything would describe something as 'mental'?0
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I turn 40 this year, only once have I had a conversation about sex with my parents, only with my father in fact.ydoethur said:I do hope you mean the prospective spouse rather than your parents!
I was 18 and about to head off to university and my father said that he expected me to remain innocent and chaste until my arranged marriage.
That was a really traumatising experience.0 -
At least sheep were not mentioned. As a Welshman living in the Forest of Dean and the son of a vet...TheScreamingEagles said:
I turn 40 this year, only once have I had a conversation about sex with my parents, only with my father in fact.ydoethur said:I do hope you mean the prospective spouse rather than your parents!
I was 18 and about to head off to university and my father said that he expected me to remain innocent and chaste until my arranged marriage.
That was a really traumatising experience.0 -
+1FrancisUrquhart said:
If this was north Korea and I was little rocket man I would ban all food and drink in cinemas...If it isn't the annoying crunching, it is somebody who has drink 3l of coke and has to go for a whizz every 5 mins.RobD said:
Who goes to the cinema for the dining experience? Other than that delicious-sounding pineapple pizza offering TSE mentioned, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:
Doesn't that describe all the cinema chains? Crap overpriced food?Benpointer said:
Ah Cineworld catering!TheScreamingEagles said:
Cineworld's VIP menu now contains pineapple on pizza.bigjohnowls said:
Surely if such an overwhelming vote to allow POP were passed it would need to become compulsory and NPOP would become illegalTheScreamingEagles said:The Pineapple on Pizza (Prohibition) Act would contain a clause that it could be only repealed by a referendum where 90% of the electorate have to vote in favour of repeal.
I think they are trying to get me to cancel my cineworld card.
Everything, I mean literally everything about refreshments at Cineworld is utterly, utterly crap. A piss-poor selection of Baskin Robbins(!) ice-creams, sludgy hot-dogs, limp tacos with chemical dips, or bags of overpriced sweets constitute the full offering. Service is slow and sullen. Prices are outrageous (£3.25 for a bag of Maltesers!) No wonder most people bring their own food & drink in these days.
Is there a bigger missed business opportunity today in Britain? Come-on Cineworld outsource the catering to a company that knows how to do it!0 -
Actually it is true, we had mechanical calculators with winding handles in 1966, 4 years later we had electronic desktop monstrosities with glowing displays, and my slide rule was laid to rest.AnneJGP said:
Oh, the fun of bringing your own candle to work. Luckily that was in the days before computers were on every desk, we used things called calculators which had a crank handle.oxfordsimon said:
Yeah, we never had power cuts in the 70s when I was growing up. There wasn't the 3 day week or a series of rolling power cuts or the time that schools were closed because of fuel strikes. Nothing at all like that.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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The btl comments from times subscribers are brutal;
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/besieged-may-pressed-to-put-some-brexit-meat-on-the-cabinet-table-33snfj5p00 -
TSE says: "... procrastination from Mrs May..."
Well, is it not obvious? Brexit means Brexit doesn't it?? (*)
(*) footnote: the equation x = x can be said to have any solution.0 -
I do assure TSE that it's not just in Yorkshire where you have to get off the pot if you're not peeing. Actually, the last I heard, Yorkshire didn't have a pot to piss in.0
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Government websites mined cryptocurrency after hack
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/02/11/government-websites-secretly-mining-cryptocurrency/amp/0 -
The discourse of a Tory Brexiteer:Luckyguy1983 said:What senior Tory would describe something as 'mental'? What senior anything would describe something as 'mental'?
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962488066131849217
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/962704689715392512
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/9627466845886013440 -
Marcus Fysh MP (surely a name created by Viz) was not on my political radar before this. He is now, and he is marked out as an utter twit.williamglenn said:
The discourse of a Tory Brexiteer:Luckyguy1983 said:What senior Tory would describe something as 'mental'? What senior anything would describe something as 'mental'?
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962488066131849217
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/962704689715392512
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962746684588601344
Fortunately such first impressions can be overwritten. However I doubt that will happen in this case ...0 -
Just found out that Silvio Berlusconi is one of the favourites to be Italian prime minister after the 4th March election. I thought he'd left politics.0
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He can't even spell Fish. Tsk.JosiasJessop said:
Marcus Fysh MP (surely a name created by Viz) was not on my political radar before this. He is now, and he is marked out as an utter twit.williamglenn said:
The discourse of a Tory Brexiteer:Luckyguy1983 said:What senior Tory would describe something as 'mental'? What senior anything would describe something as 'mental'?
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962488066131849217
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/962704689715392512
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962746684588601344
Fortunately such first impressions can be overwritten. However I doubt that will happen in this case ...0 -
He seems to know a thing or two about cod economics though.John_M said:
He can't even spell Fish. Tsk.JosiasJessop said:
Marcus Fysh MP (surely a name created by Viz) was not on my political radar before this. He is now, and he is marked out as an utter twit.williamglenn said:
The discourse of a Tory Brexiteer:Luckyguy1983 said:What senior Tory would describe something as 'mental'? What senior anything would describe something as 'mental'?
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962488066131849217
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/962704689715392512
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962746684588601344
Fortunately such first impressions can be overwritten. However I doubt that will happen in this case ...0 -
I must have dreamt all those power cuts in the 1970’s when energy was owned by “us” and we had to sit in the dark because the workers thought the industry should be run for their benefit and not that of its users.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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Or no money for school books... I mean to write on not text books.oxfordsimon said:
Yeah, we never had power cuts in the 70s when I was growing up. There wasn't the 3 day week or a series of rolling power cuts or the time that schools were closed because of fuel strikes. Nothing at all like that.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
Oh and pickets beating the snot out of "scabs"
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Oops. So much for NCSC or whatever it's called.FrancisUrquhart said:Government websites mined cryptocurrency after hack
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/02/11/government-websites-secretly-mining-cryptocurrency/amp/0 -
False consciousness, Ms Cyclefree. Britain was merely showing the world the way towards a low carbon future. Admittedly, that was by turning off all the lights every other day, but doing homework by candlelight was so romantic.Cyclefree said:
I must have dreamt all those power cuts in the 1970’s when energy was owned by “us” and we had to sit in the dark because the workers thought the industry should be run for their benefit and not that of its users.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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Corbyn plans to ensure such dreams are reinforced as memories....Cyclefree said:
I must have dreamt all those power cuts in the 1970’s when energy was owned by “us” and we had to sit in the dark because the workers thought the industry should be run for their benefit and not that of its users.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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This is the sole plaice that puns like that do not flounder.williamglenn said:
He seems to know a thing or two about cod economics though.John_M said:
He can't even spell Fish. Tsk.JosiasJessop said:
Marcus Fysh MP (surely a name created by Viz) was not on my political radar before this. He is now, and he is marked out as an utter twit.williamglenn said:
The discourse of a Tory Brexiteer:Luckyguy1983 said:What senior Tory would describe something as 'mental'? What senior anything would describe something as 'mental'?
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962488066131849217
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/962704689715392512
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962746684588601344
Fortunately such first impressions can be overwritten. However I doubt that will happen in this case ...0 -
pb.com is the home of turbot-charged fish punning....Foxy said:
This is the sole plaice that puns like that do not flounder.williamglenn said:
He seems to know a thing or two about cod economics though.John_M said:
He can't even spell Fish. Tsk.JosiasJessop said:
Marcus Fysh MP (surely a name created by Viz) was not on my political radar before this. He is now, and he is marked out as an utter twit.williamglenn said:
The discourse of a Tory Brexiteer:Luckyguy1983 said:What senior Tory would describe something as 'mental'? What senior anything would describe something as 'mental'?
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962488066131849217
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/962704689715392512
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962746684588601344
Fortunately such first impressions can be overwritten. However I doubt that will happen in this case ...0 -
As an amateur gardener I known that many Raspberry varieties give a reduced yield unless subjected to several hard frosts in the winter. I presume this is why Scotland is popular with commercial growers.Ishmael_Z said:
I have heard it said, by residents of Perthshire, that the growing of so much soft fruit in those parts is largely an historical accident - the fruit farms were a 19th century ploy to give employment to 1000s of Irish navvies who had originally come over to build all the Scots Baronial castles. Certainly compared to apples and stuff, most soft fruit is pretty unchoosy as to where it grows. It is possible that Scottish raspberries would sweep the board at a blind tasting, but I wouldn't bet the house on it. Root vegetables, on the other hand...malcolmg said:
No chance of them tasting better , get real. Year round availability perhaps but it means accepting poorer quality.DecrepitJohnL said:
They taste better? For year-round availability? I buy at least two punnets a week and ... actually come to think of it, I've never seen Chinese raspberries. Do they disappear into jam?Alistair said:
Why would you want to buy non-Scottish raspberrys anyways?TheScreamingEagles said:One of the biggest growers of berries in the UK is moving part of its business to China because it cannot guarantee it will find enough fruit pickers available to work.
Up to 200 seasonal jobs have gone at Haygrove’s farm in Ledbury, Herefordshire, and some of the company’s raspberry and blueberry-growing will be relocated to Yunnan province in China because of uncertainty over migrant labour due to Brexit.
Angus Davison, the founder of Haygrove, said: “In the UK we employ 230 full-time and 1,150 seasonal workers, but we are now reducing that to 950 because of Brexit nervousness.” The company has a turnover of £101m.
“We are already out of time,” he says, explaining that he can’t afford to wait for Theresa May to reveal her immigration policy as this year’s harvest was planned last year.
Davison has written to Theresa May, pleading with her to take urgent action. “Unless a seasonal workers scheme is put in place, you must expect to see the steep decline of this significant rural employer and source of food,” he wrote.
“It is appreciated that treating one industry differently to another is difficult; however agriculture, unlike construction and hospitality, can be exported. If enough people are not made available to do the work, the work can be taken to the people.”
The prime minster has not replied.
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Which is going down the drain first - Oxfam or TFL.0
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Don't you usually claim that any forecast on the economy that is bad after Brexit is bunkum? If that is the case, why should anyone in this instance believe it is the case that Corbyn will wreck the economy? After all if we are no longer interested in maximising international trade through EU membership the slack will have to be taken up somewhere. It is not a case of export industries whether manufactured or service industry just magically realigning themselves to the rest of the world - As economies do not work like that. I might vote for Corbyn because I will never be rich or a high income earner and if we live in a more nationalistic economy, maybe incomes should be flatter and more equal.MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn plans to ensure such dreams are reinforced as memories....Cyclefree said:
I must have dreamt all those power cuts in the 1970’s when energy was owned by “us” and we had to sit in the dark because the workers thought the industry should be run for their benefit and not that of its users.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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Incomes will be flatter and more equal for the millions who lose their jobs under Corbyn alright.....The_Taxman said:
Don't you usually claim that any forecast on the economy that is bad after Brexit is bunkum? If that is the case, why should anyone in this instance believe it is the case that Corbyn will wreck the economy? After all if we are no longer interested in maximising international trade through EU membership the slack will have to be taken up somewhere. It is not a case of export industries whether manufactured or service industry just magically realigning themselves to the rest of the world - As economies do not work like that. I might vote for Corbyn because I will never be rich or a high income earner and if we live in a more nationalistic economy, maybe incomes should be flatter and more equal.MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn plans to ensure such dreams are reinforced as memories....Cyclefree said:
I must have dreamt all those power cuts in the 1970’s when energy was owned by “us” and we had to sit in the dark because the workers thought the industry should be run for their benefit and not that of its users.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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Maybe so but why should it matter more than the people who will lose out over Brexit? Could it be that you are blind to the hardship Brexit will incur to some people but when it hits you in the pocket i.e. Corbyn you lecture everybody on economics?MarqueeMark said:
Incomes will be flatter and more equal for the millions who lose their jobs under Corbyn alright.....The_Taxman said:
Don't you usually claim that any forecast on the economy that is bad after Brexit is bunkum? If that is the case, why should anyone in this instance believe it is the case that Corbyn will wreck the economy? After all if we are no longer interested in maximising international trade through EU membership the slack will have to be taken up somewhere. It is not a case of export industries whether manufactured or service industry just magically realigning themselves to the rest of the world - As economies do not work like that. I might vote for Corbyn because I will never be rich or a high income earner and if we live in a more nationalistic economy, maybe incomes should be flatter and more equal.MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn plans to ensure such dreams are reinforced as memories....Cyclefree said:
I must have dreamt all those power cuts in the 1970’s when energy was owned by “us” and we had to sit in the dark because the workers thought the industry should be run for their benefit and not that of its users.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
As I say I might well vote for Corbyn just to screw over people like yourselves who live in a ivory tower over Brexit. You will come to find it does hit you in the pocket!0 -
From the header "The procrastination from Mrs May is all about keeping her as PM for as long as possible whilst the national interest seems to be relegated as a priority."
In this weeks BBC Brexitcast ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xjy1x ) at about 5.35 mins they speculate about two reasons why no clear proposals have come forward yet. One is the above reason, the threat to TMay, the other is that putting forward weaker proposals than friction-less trade without baggage is giving ground. Interestingly later (about 19.10) Katya Adler says she does know really what the government will propose they are just postponing "writing it down" as part of the negotiation. Apparently the EU is increasingly worried that Brexit could lead it a super competitive country near their border with special access to their markets...0 -
You can't keep him down apparently. Not content to just live in excess with his billions for the rest of his life, clearly.AndyJS said:Just found out that Silvio Berlusconi is one of the favourites to be Italian prime minister after the 4th March election. I thought he'd left politics.
See, I've often pondered if certain key services should be privatised or not, but when people oversell it and pretend there won't be or haven't been problems with state run services, it reinforces my doubts about the idea of revisiting the privatisation that exists.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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I'm sure they do, and that they insist it is a better pot than everyone else's for some reason. God's own pisspot or something.ReggieCide said:I do assure TSE that it's not just in Yorkshire where you have to get off the pot if you're not peeing. Actually, the last I heard, Yorkshire didn't have a pot to piss in.
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And the evidence for your last sentence is...?Plank said:From the header "The procrastination from Mrs May is all about keeping her as PM for as long as possible whilst the national interest seems to be relegated as a priority."
In this weeks BBC Brexitcast ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xjy1x ) at about 5.35 mins they speculate about two reasons why no clear proposals have come forward yet. One is the above reason, the threat to TMay, the other is that putting forward weaker proposals than friction-less trade without baggage is giving ground. Interestingly later (about 19.10) Katya Adler says she does know really what the government will propose they are just postponing "writing it down" as part of the negotiation. Apparently the EU is increasingly worried that Brexit could lead it a super competitive country near their border with special access to their markets...
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Not everyone ever said it. The more realistic is we probably would be hurt more by a bad deal than they would, but they would still be hurt to some extent, so why are people on both sides at the fringes so keen not to act like grown ups and throw strops all the time, egged on by extremists, rather than work something out.Benpointer said:
And the evidence for your last sentence is...?Plank said:From the header "The procrastination from Mrs May is all about keeping her as PM for as long as possible whilst the national interest seems to be relegated as a priority."
In this weeks BBC Brexitcast ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xjy1x ) at about 5.35 mins they speculate about two reasons why no clear proposals have come forward yet. One is the above reason, the threat to TMay, the other is that putting forward weaker proposals than friction-less trade without baggage is giving ground. Interestingly later (about 19.10) Katya Adler says she does know really what the government will propose they are just postponing "writing it down" as part of the negotiation. Apparently the EU is increasingly worried that Brexit could lead it a super competitive country near their border with special access to their markets...
Btw whatever happened "they need us more than we need them"? We don't seem to hear that mentioned much these days.0 -
That's somewhat irrational - the degree to which people over or undersell it doesn't make one iota of difference as to whether it's a good idea or not.kle4 said:
You can't keep him down apparently. Not content to just live in excess with his billions for the rest of his life, clearly.AndyJS said:Just found out that Silvio Berlusconi is one of the favourites to be Italian prime minister after the 4th March election. I thought he'd left politics.
See, I've often pondered if certain key services should be privatised or not, but when people oversell it and pretend there won't be or haven't been problems with state run services, it reinforces my doubts about the idea of revisiting the privatisation that exists.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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I suspect Silvio will probably choose the next Italian PM as the leader of the largest party. A past fraud conviction means he is currently serving a ban on holding public office himself. He is trying to overturn the ban in the ECHR, but the case will almost certainly not be held in time. Yes I have laid him on Betfair.AndyJS said:Just found out that Silvio Berlusconi is one of the favourites to be Italian prime minister after the 4th March election. I thought he'd left politics.
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Agree with you on that last point. Said as much on here yesterday but was told it was all about a robust negotiating strategy or some such bollox.kle4 said:
Not everyone ever said it. The more realistic is we probably would be hurt more by a bad deal than they would, but they would still be hurt to some extent, so why are people on both sides at the fringes so keen not to act like grown ups and throw strops all the time, egged on by extremists, rather than work something out.Benpointer said:
And the evidence for your last sentence is...?Plank said:From the header "The procrastination from Mrs May is all about keeping her as PM for as long as possible whilst the national interest seems to be relegated as a priority."
In this weeks BBC Brexitcast ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xjy1x ) at about 5.35 mins they speculate about two reasons why no clear proposals have come forward yet. One is the above reason, the threat to TMay, the other is that putting forward weaker proposals than friction-less trade without baggage is giving ground. Interestingly later (about 19.10) Katya Adler says she does know really what the government will propose they are just postponing "writing it down" as part of the negotiation. Apparently the EU is increasingly worried that Brexit could lead it a super competitive country near their border with special access to their markets...
Btw whatever happened "they need us more than we need them"? We don't seem to hear that mentioned much these days.0 -
CapitaTGOHF said:Which is going down the drain first - Oxfam or TFL.
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I don't think anyone is entirely immune from irrationality. The point is I'm uncertain of the benefits and the negatives so I am open to persuasion on the subject, but if those proposing it are clearly talking bollocks about a land of milk and honey, it gives reasonable cause to doubt the rest of the arguments on the subject.Benpointer said:
That's somewhat irrational - the degree to which people over or undersell it doesn't make one iota of difference as to whether it's a good idea or not.kle4 said:
You can't keep him down apparently. Not content to just live in excess with his billions for the rest of his life, clearly.AndyJS said:Just found out that Silvio Berlusconi is one of the favourites to be Italian prime minister after the 4th March election. I thought he'd left politics.
See, I've often pondered if certain key services should be privatised or not, but when people oversell it and pretend there won't be or haven't been problems with state run services, it reinforces my doubts about the idea of revisiting the privatisation that exists.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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Brace yourself.Benpointer said:
And the evidence for your last sentence is...?
The comments made by K Adler in this weeks Brexitcast podcast sometime shortly after 19.10 mins.
Also from the same podcast one of the contributors references a slideshow he has seen from a Commission briefing saying they show an EU worried about being undercut by a post Brexit UK.
Hope this helps.
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Fair enough. Personally, I think we should not privatise (i.e. profitise) operations which are clearly public services and for which there is no clear competitive market. So in my book water, electricity and public transport should be run through publicly owned corporations but with politicians kept at arms length.kle4 said:
I don't think anyone is entirely immune from irrationality. The point is I'm uncertain of the benefits and the negatives so I am open to persuasion on the subject, but if those proposing it are clearly talking bollocks about a land of milk and honey, it gives reasonable cause to doubt the rest of the arguments on the subject.Benpointer said:
That's somewhat irrational - the degree to which people over or undersell it doesn't make one iota of difference as to whether it's a good idea or not.kle4 said:
You can't keep him down apparently. Not content to just live in excess with his billions for the rest of his life, clearly.AndyJS said:Just found out that Silvio Berlusconi is one of the favourites to be Italian prime minister after the 4th March election. I thought he'd left politics.
See, I've often pondered if certain key services should be privatised or not, but when people oversell it and pretend there won't be or haven't been problems with state run services, it reinforces my doubts about the idea of revisiting the privatisation that exists.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
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It does, thanks :-)Plank said:
Brace yourself.Benpointer said:
And the evidence for your last sentence is...?
The comments made by K Adler in this weeks Brexitcast podcast sometime shortly after 19.10 mins.
Also from the same podcast one of the contributors references a slideshow he has seen from a Commission briefing saying they show an EU worried about being undercut by a post Brexit UK.
Hope this helps.0 -
If this is true - and that seems at the very least possible - then why on earth did she not make a public issue of it before the Oxfam headlines ?williamglenn said:
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Electric generation is quite a competitive, and now rapidly changing market. Are buses and airlines 'clearly public services for which there is no clear competitive market' ?Benpointer said:
Fair enough. Personally, I think we should not privatise (i.e. profitise) operations which are clearly public services and for which there is no clear competitive market. So in my book water, electricity and public transport should be run through publicly owned corporations but with politicians kept at arms length.kle4 said:
I don't think anyone is entirely immune from irrationality. The point is I'm uncertain of the benefits and the negatives so I am open to persuasion on the subject, but if those proposing it are clearly talking bollocks about a land of milk and honey, it gives reasonable cause to doubt the rest of the arguments on the subject.Benpointer said:
That's somewhat irrational - the degree to which people over or undersell it doesn't make one iota of difference as to whether it's a good idea or not.kle4 said:
You can't keep him down apparently. Not content to just live in excess with his billions for the rest of his life, clearly.AndyJS said:Just found out that Silvio Berlusconi is one of the favourites to be Italian prime minister after the 4th March election. I thought he'd left politics.
See, I've often pondered if certain key services should be privatised or not, but when people oversell it and pretend there won't be or haven't been problems with state run services, it reinforces my doubts about the idea of revisiting the privatisation that exists.volcanopete said:
Yet another poor victim of the privatisation of essential services.You can be guaranteed this will nor happen under a system of common ownership because you will own it.It's time to take back control from these private oligopolies.It's time too we stopped these fat cat bonuses for those at the top making profits at the expense of your misery.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, mentioned it earlier but had another power cut today. The third in about a fortnight. Only a few minutes each time, but it's ridiculous.
The list of stuff which meets that fairly restrictive definition actually seems quite small.
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The mood in the Brexit bunker is grim.
https://twitter.com/Digbylj/status/9628201053601054720 -
Nothing stinks worse than a bad Fysh pun, apart perhaps from the rotten Fysh itself.MarqueeMark said:
pb.com is the home of turbot-charged fish punning....Foxy said:
This is the sole plaice that puns like that do not flounder.williamglenn said:
He seems to know a thing or two about cod economics though.John_M said:
He can't even spell Fish. Tsk.JosiasJessop said:
Marcus Fysh MP (surely a name created by Viz) was not on my political radar before this. He is now, and he is marked out as an utter twit.williamglenn said:
The discourse of a Tory Brexiteer:Luckyguy1983 said:What senior Tory would describe something as 'mental'? What senior anything would describe something as 'mental'?
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962488066131849217
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/962704689715392512
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/962746684588601344
Fortunately such first impressions can be overwritten. However I doubt that will happen in this case ...
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Certainly we shouldn't give in to bullies.williamglenn said:The mood in the Brexit bunker is grim.
https://twitter.com/Digbylj/status/962820105360105472
So giruy Lord Digby.0 -
The EU is concerned about competitive deregulation. Which means two things. They want a deal. They will insist on strict conformance by us before they offer us anything.Plank said:From the header "The procrastination from Mrs May is all about keeping her as PM for as long as possible whilst the national interest seems to be relegated as a priority."
In this weeks BBC Brexitcast ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xjy1x ) at about 5.35 mins they speculate about two reasons why no clear proposals have come forward yet. One is the above reason, the threat to TMay, the other is that putting forward weaker proposals than friction-less trade without baggage is giving ground. Interestingly later (about 19.10) Katya Adler says she does know really what the government will propose they are just postponing "writing it down" as part of the negotiation. Apparently the EU is increasingly worried that Brexit could lead it a super competitive country near their border with special access to their markets...0 -
Because one or two of her officials were implicated? One rotten apple in a barrel and all that!Nigelb said:
If this is true - and that seems at the very least possible - then why on earth did she not make a public issue of it before the Oxfam headlines ?williamglenn said:0 -
He manages to blame both Leaver scapegoats in one tweet - the EU and Remoaners.williamglenn said:The mood in the Brexit bunker is grim.
https://twitter.com/Digbylj/status/9628201053601054720 -
Let me get this right: she's boasting that she knew, but was too spineless to blow the whistle.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel is not the sharpest tool in the box.0 -
From my brief memories of seeing him on TV isn't he always a bit like this?
If he stops angrily lashing out then it is time to worry!0 -
I still can't quite get over how the Cameron project has fallen apart so utterly and completely over the last couple of years.rcs1000 said:
Let me get this right: she's boasting that she knew, but was too spineless to blow the whistle.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel is not the sharpest tool in the box.
I imagine the poor chap sitting in his shed for days on end with his head in his hands.0
