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Brexit: Britons favour second referendum by 16-point margin – new ICM poll https://t.co/Kvw8o8zI29
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The idea of us remaining with all our pre-existing opt-outs and keeping our rebate is utterly fantastical.
Edit: Second, like the prospective referendum
Would you rather £150 million was spent on holding a second EU referendum or on the NHS?
As for the second referendum will they also poll people on what the question should be?
Leave or remain - we did that
Leave on the agreed deal or leave with no deal
Agree the deal and leave or stay in the EU on current terms
Agree the deal or stay in the EU even if it means we must join the Euro and Schengen
Leave the customs union and stay in the single market or stay in the single market and leave the customs union. Or leave both or leave neither?
Canada, Norway or Switzerland - which EU relationship would you prefer for the UK
What exactly would we vote on - and who would agree the question?
As you say - what would the referendum solve? We reject the deal - do we stay or leave on WTO rules - as Rees Mogg and Farage want a harder Brexit - or remain as that is what Adonis and Umunna want.
Chaos in other words! Which is why it won't happen.
Tie
Labour +3
Labour +1
Labour +1
Labour +1
Tie
In other words - nothing is happening in the polls
Surely you are better than that
https://www.twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/956729170700259329
Hannity didn’t say it was Trump’s right to fire Mueller but that it was his right to raise questions about a possible conflict
Material difference
I don't think a second referendum will happen, but whether it does is purely an internal Tory issue.
Just a can of worms
Lab 41.2%
Con 40.2%
LD 7.5%
UKIP 3.7%
Greens 2.5%
Changes since GE:
Lab +0.2%
Con -3.3%
LD -0.1%
UKIP +1.8%
Greens +0.8%
Baxter with current boundaries:
Con 289
Lab 288
LD 14
Greens 1
SNP 36
Baxter with new boundaries:
Con 281
Lab 259
LD 9
Greens 1
SNP 31
Forget opinion polls, a second referendum has already been massively rejected by the voters.
A new, different settlement (whether more or less favourable) would be more complicated, which is another reason why nobody is going to be saying "you can stay, but you have to join schengen, nah" or whatever.
The status quo ante included us being obstinate refuseniks who got special privileges (as the rest of Europe saw it) because otherwise we threatened we might stop supporting the project. Hence the rebate. The rebate is hated by the rest of Europe.
Yes we might be able to remain keeping our opt-out from the Single Currency but the Rebate is dead. It already expires on 31/12/2020 when the current budget round expires and there is not a snowball's chance in hell of the rest of Europe agreeing to let us keep it if we show that we daren't Brexit even after a referendum said we should.
It won't even need to be dressed up as that. They would just argue that the rebate that was created when the UK was one of the poorer states is no longer appropriate in an EU of 28 nations and put their foot down on the matter knowing we don't dare do anything else.
http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Of course you would need to decide which pollster rules - as even they can't agree if people actually want a second referendum.
As the recent Ashcroft poll last week showed voters either back a second referendum by 8 per cent or oppose one by 13 per cent depending on the question you ask!
https://mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/953582066565820416?lang=en-gb
Surely only one answer - let's have a referendum as to whether we have a second referendum. It's the only way to find out what the public want.
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I believe that was Lord Bucketheads policy. Unfortunately he was beaten by some second rate candidate so parliament is lesser for it.
I said earlier that the ECJ had no sanction available. Actually, it does. It could simply rule the decision contrary to the Treaties and, therefore, invalid.
If Labour can't take anything from the SNP in Scotland then it probably would require big leads in order to for Labour to get a majority.
The idea that this was all a big Tory mistake would be a useful one to get going as a long term thought (not that it might not anyway) especially considering the age profile of those for and against EU membership.
Lab should do well in the locals but Qs will soon start to appear about how long Labour supporters will tolerate the wall sitting approach.
Lib Dems may use the locals as a spring board - in the absence of byelections they need a straw to clutch at
Remain was well ahead of Leave until the campaign, because under scrutiny it became obvious that the establishment position that the UK could not survive without the EU was oddly short of any facts. The more discussion there is, the worse the EU looks.
If we held another referendum, the question should be exit on the terms the Tories have negotiated or have a clean break from the EU.
You'd think that Leavers would be concerned that they are so unconvincing. But instead they spend the thread pondering how to permanently exclude the voice of what opinion polls tell us is currently the larger part of the population.
May may indeed be waiting for the right moment to call the bluff of the hard Brexiters. Or she may not.
Both parties have no clue where to go next. The advantage Labour have is they don't have to make a decision. Given that even their best Shadow Cabinet ministers (Macdonnell, Starmer) are weaker than their Tory equivalents (how's that for a stinging indictment?) that is just as well for them.
(OK, in fairness it hasn't been all bad - it's allowed Labour to get rid of the likes of Burnham and Hunt.)
2. Would I be seen dead at an event like that? No. Does that mean I want to stop such events? No. I am a liberal. Unlike you.
I get the impression that some people are less concerned about the welfare of girls and women, and more concerned about the identity of the abusers.
It's a different angle on 'identity politics', I suppose ...
Why has Alison Saunders not yet resigned?
All rape cases to be 'urgently' reviewed over evidence disclosure
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42841346
This could possibly be the end of the CPS in its current form. Imagine if they lose ten appeals because of illegal non-disclosure, which now seems likely given the extent of this scandal.
Just to signal my virtue, I think the Americans have it right. We should be handing out 175 year sentences to serial sex offenders.
Theresa May has abandoned preparations for a third high-profile speech on Brexit for fear of widening cabinet splits over Britain’s future relationship with the EU.
The prime minister had planned to provide more detail of the so-called “end state” in an address next month on the same scale as those given at Lancaster House and in Florence.
Downing Street has called a halt to the preparations, however, fuelling fears that differences in her cabinet are irreconcilable.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/may-ditches-big-brexit-speech-in-effort-to-curb-cabinet-rows-csqqnj0fw
So well, we can't even talk about it.
Awesome!!
*shrugs back under the duvet *
Typical Remaniac smear tactics from Mike.
Hard Brexit has its supporters. The soft version does too. We all agree she is going to have to choose. We all suspect she’ll prove temperamentally incapable of doing so. Meanwhile the moment when our government must declare its hand in trade negotiations with Europe cannot be delayed much longer. Pure logic suggests that nothing could then stop irreconcilable internal Tory tension breaking the party. Messy experience suggests that strong leadership sometimes does reconcile the irreconcilable. All observation suggests she cannot provide it.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one-well-aimed-speech-could-topple-mrs-may-dbjqgd00m
The Presidents Club was misogynistic in planning, organisation and execution. Women were excluded as guests, recruited as hostesses to titillate the guests and required to comply with non disclosure agreements.
The drunk drivers defence doesn't wash. It is perfectly possible to oppose other misogynistic activities too.
Times winged chariot also increases the number of Leavers. As the snowflakes meet the hard reality of life, their politics change slowly, becoming more realistic. Maturity helps them see the world as it is. It's a well-known trend.
In a few years, you'll look back on your current ideas with embarrassment. Don't worry, it's a natural part of growing up.
Pure anecdote. Some years ago the Head of History at one of the universities in Leeds was prosecuted for causing death by dangerous driving. He was guilty, as it happens. However, the police withheld CCTV footage from the defence in the hope that he would try to lie his way out and get an increased sentence for aggravating circumstances.
Fortunately he had the sense to admit what he had been doing (although he would have been more sensible to concentrate on his driving in the first place) and the ploy failed. But it did make me wonder a bit about the CPS if they were that slippery.
Now we find that they appear to be in effect falsifying evidence in a bid to get more convictions - which is extraordinary for the prosecution arm of a modern Western democracy. I thought we had left that behind with the age of the super grass.