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Friends of Justine Greening tell me: “She should have absolutely expected to continue… she saw people who have been massively disloyal, others not competent, allowed to stay in Cabinet, and even given expanded briefs”
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/08/jeremy-corbyn-eu-single-market-after-brexit
Has @CarlottaVance been along to tell us this was a misunderstood triumph yet?
Big but on the day is Hunt & Clark.. What was that all about?
Overall reinforces to that she's in place to deliver brexit but 2020 or after she'll be replaced unless brexit starts to look a rip roaring success.
The Messiah helped today by coming clean on leaving the single market.
Now where are all those labour supporters who expect Corbyn to engineer a remain position
What an own goal it will be seen as, just at a time the Tories are becoming even more crap....
No Prime Minister - I don't have time to do the job on offer as I have to attend my £3000 a term nursery school.
Labour wants all the benefits of being in the single market without being a member of the single market as that would mean keeping freedom of movement.
And they presumably want to stay in a customs union with the EU/EEA but not in the customs union of the EU/EEA.
I think it's called keeping everyone happy and promising the undeliverable! Or having your Patisserie and eating the entire stock on the shelves.
"It does mean, however, that if May does choose to push on with re-forming the government, there’s a strong chance that something will go wrong."
Mrs May's political capital that was tiny to begin with is now microscopic.
The only vaguely sensible decision was to move Social Care to Health.
But as for the rest. Why?
If you want true socialism and massive state intervention in the economy you can't be in the single market as the state aid rules would prevent it.
https://amp.ft.com/content/7306b972-f49a-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00?__twitter_impression=true
"Theresa May- the PM that was told by ministers what job they wanted"
and many other such comments to show how out of touch and useless she is.
She could have done a mini-reshuffle but no. A full on reshuffle that wasn't.
Worst government ever.
Worst opposition ever.
It’s their uselessness that is maintaining their polling performances: 40% of the country is deeply anti-Tory, 40% is deeply anti-Labour; only tiny proportions of voters - very strongly represented on PB - are positively for either party these days.
https://twitter.com/jreynoldsmp/status/950457604001730561
This still seems to be a mystery to many posters on here who seem to think most people spend their waking lives fretting about the single market/ customs union.
Here's the full letter:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/950501082903580672
All the rest was pointless. She has not brought on new talent; she has not got rid of duffers or the disloyal; she has not indicated some change in strategic direction; she has not strengthened her own position; she has not changed the look or appeal of the government.
It's just a load of nothingness like her speeches and like most of what comes out of her government.
So to prove your “useless”, you’ll need to demonstrate value to the “consumers”. Good luck with that. Grayling’s DfT was responsible for Southern Rail, the biggest avoidable screwup since WCML modernisation, while Gove’s education reforms were so popular with parents that Cameron moved his old ally out of post for becoming “electoral poison”.
Corbyn can be criticised for innumerable things, but on this he is spot on.
A policy likely to run into the sand in any event.
But of course the number of people in the country has no impact on housing demand or wages or congestion - does it? Shouldn't we be able to decide what immigration is needed for the benefit of the U.K and those already here - rather than what is beneficial to those arriving.
After all it's what Canada, Australia and. NZ do
Boris is a difficult one: I don't think he enhances the prestige or standing of the United Kingdom, but he's a difficult man to sack. That being said, having demonstrated a willingness to fire senior people would have put Boris on notice.
I would have been tempted to promote Gove, but I think he's doing a good job in a ministry that needs an intelligent man at the helm through Brexit.
Greening, I would have kept in place. Leadsom is useless, goodbye. I would have promoted Kwasi Kwarteng into the Cabinet, perhaps taking Fox's role. People don't hate Kwasi, and he's really smart, which would be an enormous relief to both our trading partners and the civil servants at the DfIT.
And it's relatively simple - it's an online form - to get work permits for salaried employees from Canada in the US. (You can't have a criminal record, but if a company is willing to go through the, five minute, hurdle of going through a web portal, you're in.)
I think we tend to overestimate the prevalence of "points based systems" in immigration. When there are two countries of relatively similar wealth, that adjoin each other, and have strong trade links, then the controls are usually fairly nominal.
Brexit isn't anywhere near the top issue for Labour voters the same way it is for Conservative voters or for many on here. That attempted wedge in the Labour support against Corbyn has been tried multiple times and failed miserably because it isn't the main issue.
I also fail to see how a storm out and an argument will achieve what mass resignations and a coup before the general election, voting to trigger article 50 and a resignation and a few firings just after the election failed to achieve.
But if there really is some huge remainer block voting for Corbyn purely for staying in the EU rather than other reasons as well who haven't got a clue what is going on (more so than the the average voter) that have basically missed almost everything why would they suddenly start processing information and turn against Corbyn now or over the next few years?
It has mainly been the weapon of choice for labour centrists to attack him with since they realised the rest of his platform is mostly pretty popular. A lot of the people who seem to think this approach will cause damage are the same people who have underestimated Corbyn several other times since his nomination for the leadership, they may be right this time but I expect it is another false dawn.
New Labour may have been a great time for some voters on here but I'd be surprised if there were half as many enthusiastic Labour voters in the previous few elections as there was recently in 2017, were do you think the massive surge in the membership came from, the massive engagement on social media and the big increase in youth turnout?
The current form of Labour may not be to your liking but I think you are confusing your views with the general public. This is the most popular Labour have been for many years.
I think the problem is people who think Labour have gone way off to the crazy left and think the Tories have gone into some crazy nationalist right wing Brexit are not actually that big a part of the electorate but they are one that has been very well served for decades electorally and has quite an influence across the media so feel they are a bigger part of the electorate than they actually are. Hence the massive shock at both the Brexit vote and the 3 elections Corbyn took part in (maybe no.2 wasn't a shock)
When you've dominated and believe you were in the majority or still are in the majority it can be difficult to understand why things aren't going the way you believe they should and believe others want them to as well.
I don't want this to sound condescending or come across as a lecture just I believe it is easier for even a less educated/insightful person to see this from the outside than it can be from the inside. Also the post was generally aimed at a few posts in that direction rather than just yours.
As a sort of example to my point a few people complained about having to seriously consider spoiling their ballot / abstaining for the first time. Which is a sham,e as someone who missed a few elections I know what it is like to have nothing to vote for. In terms of voters at large though participation has gone up, quite a bit among the young many feeling like they have something they want to vote for at last, so I don't think Labour should be criticised for a small group feeling politically homeless when they engaged a much larger one which felt homeless.
Lastly, as someone who has gone the opposite way thanks to the change in Labour I might be tempted to say sorry but it is my turn to get a chance to vote for a bit, you've had years of what you wanted.