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I think both pale in comparison with George Osborne's political career.TheScreamingEagles said:So which collapsed quicker?
England’s batting this morning or Theresa May’s ratings during the election campaign?0 -
Henry Jackson Society on what the EU owes the UK:
European integration is largely a product of peace and security, not its cause. While the EU has helped to dampen distrust between ancient opponents, Europe is peaceful and prosperous today primarily because the UK and the US have been willing to finance sophisticated armed forces and nuclear forces to deter countries – both within and without NATO, and by extension the EU – from disrupting the status quo. Whatever role the EU has played has been at best supplemental.
http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/HJS-Policy-Briefing-What-the-EU-Owes-the-UK-Final.pdf0 -
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........0 -
Editor of an oligarch owned local free-sheet......you could almost feel sorry for him. Almost.RoyalBlue said:
I think both pale in comparison with George Osborne's political career.TheScreamingEagles said:So which collapsed quicker?
England’s batting this morning or Theresa May’s ratings during the election campaign?0 -
I understand that "What Model Railway" has a very lively blog if you would prefer to talk about guages, etc?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........0 -
In fairness, is that not the way Advent calendars are supposed to work?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........0 -
do I get to call you swivel eyed ?TOPPING said:
I understand that "What Model Railway" has a very lively blog if you would prefer to talk about guages, etc?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........0 -
But's he's landed on his feet, earning inter alia 650k per year for one day a week, and a fair whack on the lecture circuit.RoyalBlue said:
I think both pale in comparison with George Osborne's political career.TheScreamingEagles said:So which collapsed quicker?
England’s batting this morning or Theresa May’s ratings during the election campaign?
When Theresa May leaves Downing Street no ones going to be paying her that kind of money unless you want to to see a repeat of of 2017 Tory conference speech.0 -
I think it's mandatory over there.Alanbrooke said:
do I get to call you swivel eyed ?TOPPING said:
I understand that "What Model Railway" has a very lively blog if you would prefer to talk about guages, etc?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........0 -
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noDavidL said:
In fairness, is that not the way Advent calendars are supposed to work?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........
the attraction of advent calendars is their variety, something new each day0 -
You must get better Advent calendars than we do. Here "variety" is that the chocolate is a slightly different shape.Alanbrooke said:
noDavidL said:
In fairness, is that not the way Advent calendars are supposed to work?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........
the attraction of advent calendars is their variety, something new each day0 -
maybe he could take over Salmonds flop spot on RTCarlottaVance said:
Editor of an oligarch owned local free-sheet......you could almost feel sorry for him. Almost.RoyalBlue said:
I think both pale in comparison with George Osborne's political career.TheScreamingEagles said:So which collapsed quicker?
England’s batting this morning or Theresa May’s ratings during the election campaign?0 -
To happier subjects, and this year's Comedy Wildlife pictures of the year are out:
https://gizmodo.com/behold-the-most-hilarious-wildlife-photos-of-2017-18213012690 -
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/alcoholic-christmas-advent-calendars-2017-11538564DavidL said:
You must get better Advent calendars than we do. Here "variety" is that the chocolate is a slightly different shape.Alanbrooke said:
noDavidL said:
In fairness, is that not the way Advent calendars are supposed to work?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........
the attraction of advent calendars is their variety, something new each day0 -
I am sure that the BBC were lecturing me just today that I really shouldn't be giving that sort of thing to my 14 year old.CarlottaVance said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/alcoholic-christmas-advent-calendars-2017-11538564DavidL said:
You must get better Advent calendars than we do. Here "variety" is that the chocolate is a slightly different shape.Alanbrooke said:
noDavidL said:
In fairness, is that not the way Advent calendars are supposed to work?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........
the attraction of advent calendars is their variety, something new each day
Is it just me or is the idea of Advent calendars for grown ups just a little weird?0 -
Every little helps......DavidL said:
Is it just me or is the idea of Advent calendars for grown ups just a little weird?CarlottaVance said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/alcoholic-christmas-advent-calendars-2017-11538564DavidL said:
You must get better Advent calendars than we do. Here "variety" is that the chocolate is a slightly different shape.Alanbrooke said:
noDavidL said:
In fairness, is that not the way Advent calendars are supposed to work?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........
the attraction of advent calendars is their variety, something new each day0 -
One of my colleagues has an Advent calendar from a household name insurer where the chocolates are behind pictures of the insurer's team. Festive indeed.DavidL said:
I am sure that the BBC were lecturing me just today that I really shouldn't be giving that sort of thing to my 14 year old.CarlottaVance said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/alcoholic-christmas-advent-calendars-2017-11538564DavidL said:
You must get better Advent calendars than we do. Here "variety" is that the chocolate is a slightly different shape.Alanbrooke said:
noDavidL said:
In fairness, is that not the way Advent calendars are supposed to work?Alanbrooke said:
and when I open todays window our steaming mound is sponsored by Alistair,AlastairMeeks said:What does Brexit mean? It's an advent calendar of shit, with each day offering some new turd on the breakfast table.
same as yesterdays
and the day befores
and the day before that .........
the attraction of advent calendars is their variety, something new each day
Is it just me or is the idea of Advent calendars for grown ups just a little weird?
In fairness, the chocolates are very good.0 -
Alanbrooke said:
maybe he could take over Salmonds flop spot on RTCarlottaVance said:
Editor of an oligarch owned local free-sheet......you could almost feel sorry for him. Almost.RoyalBlue said:
I think both pale in comparison with George Osborne's political career.TheScreamingEagles said:So which collapsed quicker?
England’s batting this morning or Theresa May’s ratings during the election campaign?
A promotion?0 -
Finally, a good use for a golf hole.AlastairMeeks said:To happier subjects, and this year's Comedy Wildlife pictures of the year are out:
https://gizmodo.com/behold-the-most-hilarious-wildlife-photos-of-2017-18213012690 -
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/9415871300143677440 -
Mr. L, ha, I thought so too. But, er, then discovered a friend of mine has three (bought for her, I should stress).0
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Oh dearMaxPB said:
They aren't serving their country. They are trying to overrule the public vote. Ultimately MPs answer to the public, we have instructed them to take the country out of the EU and now these 11 traitors are trying to overrule that with technicalities.TOPPING said:
I mean Max don't get me wrong, I know you are interested in all this but for someone who has f***ed off to live in a foreign (ugh!) country calling people traitors who are serving their country is, oh I don't know, a bit off, don't you think?MaxPB said:
The traitors believe that leave it means we remain and they get to overrule the public. In reality it means no deal.Slackbladder said:
File under 'No sh*t' Sherlock....HYUFD said:Luxembourg PM confirms Parliament will not be able to send May back to renegotiate Brexit deal
https://mobile.twitter.com/adamfleming/status/941268474986364930
The vote was just illogical stupid gesture politics.
There will be a deal. It will be 'take it or leave it'.
I get it, I was an expat for a while. Out come the Union Jack boxer shorts, the gramophone playing Land of Hope and Glory, and listening to The Archers on loop. But really.
Epic fail to understand how a Parliamentary Democracy (like what i voted Leave for) works
I can sell you some cheap pitchforks0 -
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.0 -
Do you think we could get him to write a thread?CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/9415871300143677440 -
Matthew Goodwin looks at what lies ahead for Europe in 2018:
https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/2018-europe-s-populist-challenges-will-continue0 -
Well, women. Different rules apply.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, ha, I thought so too. But, er, then discovered a friend of mine has three (bought for her, I should stress).
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@HYUFD voted remain.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
You can also add the north to your west York ban from London ;-)0 -
A succinct summary of a popular narrative.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
I loved watching the panel squirm.......0 -
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
... no matter how stupid it may be.0 -
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Money can't buy everything - May will be an ex-PM, how much would GO have given for that?! Hahaha!TheScreamingEagles said:
But's he's landed on his feet, earning inter alia 650k per year for one day a week, and a fair whack on the lecture circuit.RoyalBlue said:
I think both pale in comparison with George Osborne's political career.TheScreamingEagles said:So which collapsed quicker?
England’s batting this morning or Theresa May’s ratings during the election campaign?
When Theresa May leaves Downing Street no ones going to be paying her that kind of money unless you want to to see a repeat of of 2017 Tory conference speech.0 -
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
Almost in Belgium, though! If the local landowner had been Catholic.....or am I too simplistic?TheScreamingEagles said:
In The Netherlands. Site of a few battles.TOPPING said:
I still have no idea where Maastricht is. Belgium, right? Ask me to find it on a map, that said...CD13 said:Things have changed in one major way since the referendum. Before the referendum, talk of Europe was met with bored glances. Maastricht? Some place in Belgium or Holland?
Now it stirs up interest. Hoping to slip in a no-leave leave without anyone noticing won't happen. A second referendum will bring it into sharp focus. Not so much about the result as about the political and chattering classes taking the piss.
Can I be the first to suggest that Frank Field be given a knighthood?0 -
The last part of the Cretacous period is named after it, the Maastrichtian. Ended when the giant asteroid struck causing a mass extinction....TheScreamingEagles said:
In The Netherlands. Site of a few battles.TOPPING said:
I still have no idea where Maastricht is. Belgium, right? Ask me to find it on a map, that said...CD13 said:Things have changed in one major way since the referendum. Before the referendum, talk of Europe was met with bored glances. Maastricht? Some place in Belgium or Holland?
Now it stirs up interest. Hoping to slip in a no-leave leave without anyone noticing won't happen. A second referendum will bring it into sharp focus. Not so much about the result as about the political and chattering classes taking the piss.
Can I be the first to suggest that Frank Field be given a knighthood?0 -
Completely flabbergasting that a rightwing, Atlanticist think tank would take that view.CarlottaVance said:Henry Jackson Society on what the EU owes the UK:
European integration is largely a product of peace and security, not its cause. While the EU has helped to dampen distrust between ancient opponents, Europe is peaceful and prosperous today primarily because the UK and the US have been willing to finance sophisticated armed forces and nuclear forces to deter countries – both within and without NATO, and by extension the EU – from disrupting the status quo. Whatever role the EU has played has been at best supplemental.
http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/HJS-Policy-Briefing-What-the-EU-Owes-the-UK-Final.pdf
Liam Fox is a big HJSocialite isn't he?0 -
maybe it's HYUFD's twin brother.Tykejohnno said:
@HYUFD voted remain.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
You can also add the north to your west York ban from London ;-)
Where and what exactly am I allowed?0 -
In Limburg, the hilly part of the Netherlands. Catholic in an otherwise Protestant country and a bastion of Geert WIlders, a genuinely racist politician. Pleasant city apart from that ...TOPPING said:
I still have no idea where Maastricht is. Belgium, right? Ask me to find it on a map, that said...CD13 said:Things have changed in one major way since the referendum. Before the referendum, talk of Europe was met with bored glances. Maastricht? Some place in Belgium or Holland?
Now it stirs up interest. Hoping to slip in a no-leave leave without anyone noticing won't happen. A second referendum will bring it into sharp focus. Not so much about the result as about the political and chattering classes taking the piss.
Can I be the first to suggest that Frank Field be given a knighthood?0 -
Well they let me into the first class lounges, but I do have famously high standards of sartorial elegance.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/941583642505117696
Before a flight to the US a few years ago I shared a first class lounge with a pop star dressed in a tracksuit and you could have easily mistaken then for a guest on the Jeremy Kyle show.0 -
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.0 -
The borders in that part of the world have been very mobile.OldKingCole said:
Almost in Belgium, though! If the local landowner had been Catholic.....or am I too simplistic?TheScreamingEagles said:
In The Netherlands. Site of a few battles.TOPPING said:
I still have no idea where Maastricht is. Belgium, right? Ask me to find it on a map, that said...CD13 said:Things have changed in one major way since the referendum. Before the referendum, talk of Europe was met with bored glances. Maastricht? Some place in Belgium or Holland?
Now it stirs up interest. Hoping to slip in a no-leave leave without anyone noticing won't happen. A second referendum will bring it into sharp focus. Not so much about the result as about the political and chattering classes taking the piss.
Can I be the first to suggest that Frank Field be given a knighthood?
Arsene Wenger, for example, would be a German if events had turned out slightly different.0 -
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.0 -
There's a reason why the rest of Yorkshire people call people from Barnsley 'Dingles'rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.0 -
There was an interesting "Who do you think you are", with JK Rowling, some of whose family came from Alsace. Some ended up German and some French depending on what they had done after the transfer from France to Germany in 1871.TheScreamingEagles said:
The borders in that part of the world have been very mobile.OldKingCole said:
Almost in Belgium, though! If the local landowner had been Catholic.....or am I too simplistic?TheScreamingEagles said:
In The Netherlands. Site of a few battles.TOPPING said:
I still have no idea where Maastricht is. Belgium, right? Ask me to find it on a map, that said...CD13 said:Things have changed in one major way since the referendum. Before the referendum, talk of Europe was met with bored glances. Maastricht? Some place in Belgium or Holland?
Now it stirs up interest. Hoping to slip in a no-leave leave without anyone noticing won't happen. A second referendum will bring it into sharp focus. Not so much about the result as about the political and chattering classes taking the piss.
Can I be the first to suggest that Frank Field be given a knighthood?
Arsene Wenger, for example, would be a German if events had turned out slightly different.0 -
How much success did Arsenal miss out on?!TheScreamingEagles said:
The borders in that part of the world have been very mobile.OldKingCole said:
Almost in Belgium, though! If the local landowner had been Catholic.....or am I too simplistic?TheScreamingEagles said:
In The Netherlands. Site of a few battles.TOPPING said:
I still have no idea where Maastricht is. Belgium, right? Ask me to find it on a map, that said...CD13 said:Things have changed in one major way since the referendum. Before the referendum, talk of Europe was met with bored glances. Maastricht? Some place in Belgium or Holland?
Now it stirs up interest. Hoping to slip in a no-leave leave without anyone noticing won't happen. A second referendum will bring it into sharp focus. Not so much about the result as about the political and chattering classes taking the piss.
Can I be the first to suggest that Frank Field be given a knighthood?
Arsene Wenger, for example, would be a German if events had turned out slightly different.0 -
Joe Twyman is leaving YouGov after 18 years...
https://twitter.com/JoeTwyman/status/9416168025299927040 -
Mainly penalty shoot outs.Theuniondivvie said:
How much success did Arsenal miss out on?!TheScreamingEagles said:
The borders in that part of the world have been very mobile.OldKingCole said:
Almost in Belgium, though! If the local landowner had been Catholic.....or am I too simplistic?TheScreamingEagles said:
In The Netherlands. Site of a few battles.TOPPING said:
I still have no idea where Maastricht is. Belgium, right? Ask me to find it on a map, that said...CD13 said:Things have changed in one major way since the referendum. Before the referendum, talk of Europe was met with bored glances. Maastricht? Some place in Belgium or Holland?
Now it stirs up interest. Hoping to slip in a no-leave leave without anyone noticing won't happen. A second referendum will bring it into sharp focus. Not so much about the result as about the political and chattering classes taking the piss.
Can I be the first to suggest that Frank Field be given a knighthood?
Arsene Wenger, for example, would be a German if events had turned out slightly different.0 -
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.0 -
People were still asking about Keith Vaz though...TheScreamingEagles said:Joe Twyman is leaving YouGov after 18 years...
https://twitter.com/JoeTwyman/status/9416168025299927040 -
The vote is to leave the EU. That's all.Peter_the_Punter said:
What spirit? There were as many notions of Brexit as there were voters.Charles said:
To an extent although some of the more extreme BINO proposals ignore the spirit of the votePeter_the_Punter said:
That's why I don't get this hard/soft/medium-done Brexit business. Whatever type of Brexit you get, Government has done what it was told. It got us out of the EU. Job done.foxinsoxuk said:
I don't remember that being on the ballot paperHYUFD said:Some Remainers want to stay in the single market or even reverse Brexit, some Leavers want to go straight to WTO terms and not pay the EU a penny. However most voters want a FTA with the EU that ends free movement which is precisely what May is aiming for
If there was a 'spirit' at all I should say that there was a sort of curmudgeonly 'eff 'em all attitude.
That was perfectly understandable but difficult to distil a coherent foreign and economic policy out of it.
Lots of different people have different interpretations but there comes a point with extreme BINO where you observe the letter but not the spirit
If for example, we were to leave the EU but at the same time remain members of the SM/CU, send observers with voting rights to the Council of Ministers, take all regulatory rules, pay billions of Euros a year in perpetuity sign up for membership of an EU army and agree to use the Euro then I would say that observes the letter but not the spirit of the vote
If we were to leave the EU but remain members of the SM and CU I would view it as a mistake, but not a breach of the spirit of the vote0 -
An easy guide:rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/man-claims-hius-life-being-ruined-by-immigration-but-cant-explain-how-201702271229320 -
Mr. rkrkrk, that's partly because of white flight, and also because respondents from places with high numbers of migrants are more likely to be migrants themselves. Of course, it will also be the case that natives from such areas may well get along nicely with migrants.
A problem is talking of migration as a block, whereas there's a world of difference between migrant groups. Indians and Chinese tend to be rather good. Other groups do not (or, at least, have higher prevalence of criminality).0 -
Off the top of my head, maybe they want to keep it that way? Maybe they look at parts of their country which have had high immigration and are not totally enthused with the multiculturalism that thrives there?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.0 -
Thanks for the response.DavidL said:
Off the top of my head, maybe they want to keep it that way? Maybe they look at parts of their country which have had high immigration and are not totally enthused with the multiculturalism that thrives there?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
To me the tone of his point was not - Barnsley is great but we want to end FOM to preserve how it is/help out those poor londoners struggling with their multiculturalism. To me he seemed unhappy with the current situation in Barnsley - not seeking to preserve it.0 -
Because they are on the left hand side of the Bell Curve.rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.0 -
Seriously? They what, drove through Bourne, saw all those white anglo-saxon protestants, or white continental catholics - and thought: uh uh, no thank you. That it?DavidL said:
Off the top of my head, maybe they want to keep it that way? Maybe they look at parts of their country which have had high immigration and are not totally enthused with the multiculturalism that thrives there?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
Or perhaps you are confusing wanting to be in control of immigration (fair enough), with dislike of immigration (...).
Or perhaps you are looking at it in the wrong way - as in when people talk about multiculturalism, it ain't the white Poles buying sausage from the Polish shop on the High Street they are thinking of...0 -
That would be more persuasive if it were not for the fact that many of those places with very low immigration where people are very opposed to immigration are, not to put too fine a point on it, already shitholes.DavidL said:
Off the top of my head, maybe they want to keep it that way? Maybe they look at parts of their country which have had high immigration and are not totally enthused with the multiculturalism that thrives there?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.0 -
Brexit is about identity, as the article below explains quite well, I believe. Attitudes to immigration are part of those identities. Do you see freedom of movement as liberty or do you see it as an affront to nations being in control? [What Brexit actually means of course is giving power to bureaucracies and an explosion of red tape. But that's a practical issue that has nothing to do with identity]rkrkrk said:
[...]
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/940607648503869441
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Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
People actually fall for these scams???
Nigerian man jailed for role in global email scams
David Chukwuneke Adindu tricked victims into wiring more than $25m into bank accounts he opened in China
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/15/nigerian-man-jailed-for-role-in-global-email-scams?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=15133268100 -
Again Bradford voted leave, large immigration - Why leave ?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.0 -
I'm struggling to understand what is so Libertarian about being told what to do by the PM of Luxembourg.FF43 said:
Brexit is about identity, as the article below explains quite well, I believe. Attitudes to immigration are part of those identities. Do you see freedom of movement as liberty or do you see it as an affront to nations being in control? [What Brexit actually means of course is giving power to bureaucracies and an explosion of red tape. But that's a practical issue that has nothing to do with identity]rkrkrk said:
[...]
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/940607648503869441
Laters....0 -
Interesting. I have seen plenty of shorts and singlets in business/first class and that explains it.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
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None of those explanations can explain such a strong phenomenon.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, that's partly because of white flight, and also because respondents from places with high numbers of migrants are more likely to be migrants themselves. Of course, it will also be the case that natives from such areas may well get along nicely with migrants.
A problem is talking of migration as a block, whereas there's a world of difference between migrant groups. Indians and Chinese tend to be rather good. Other groups do not (or, at least, have higher prevalence of criminality).
London for instance has something like 35% foreign born. That’s still 65% from the UK who should be ripe targets for UKIP/anti immigration sentiment. And yet nothing.
You might like to read this on White flight:
https://www.understandingsociety.ac.uk/case-studies/white-flight-the-emerging-story
In Barnsley - I wonder how many people are white Londoners/from places with high immigration. My guess would be very few.0 -
Maybe that's not the way he sees it. Just maybe that is your metropolitan elite bias showing...Just a theory of course.AlastairMeeks said:
That would be more persuasive if it were not for the fact that many of those places with very low immigration where people are very opposed to immigration are, not to put too fine a point on it, already shitholes.DavidL said:
Off the top of my head, maybe they want to keep it that way? Maybe they look at parts of their country which have had high immigration and are not totally enthused with the multiculturalism that thrives there?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.0 -
The man said immigration was hurting working class people, I take that to mean wages.DavidL said:
Off the top of my head, maybe they want to keep it that way? Maybe they look at parts of their country which have had high immigration and are not totally enthused with the multiculturalism that thrives there?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.0 -
She wears them outside in all weathers? Yeah, sure....TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
@Richard_Tyndall: I've just seen your reply on the £40bn and the transition deal the other day, sorry I didn't reply then. I was going off this snippet in the Guardian's live blog on the day:
'Britain’s divorce bill is estimated to be £35bn-£39bn (€40bn-€45bn), it has been disclosed.
The UK will only pay if a wider withdrawal agreement is struck by Brexit day and there is swift agreement on a transition period. It includes the payment promised by Theresa May in her Florence speech, which she linked to a two-year “implementation period”, as she describes it. The EU is not linking the sum to the transition period, however.
If the UK wants a transition period beyond 31 December 2020, when the current seven-year EU budget ends, it will have to pay more. The EU is also leaving open the question of whether or not it will seek additional funds in return for the transition period. The money will be paid over time rather than in a lump sum.'
If our commentators are saying the £39bn includes the cost of a transition, that is not how the Europeans seem to have understood it. They're interpreting it as May agreeing to their position that her initial £18bn offer should be doubled before the second stage could be begun, without linking the extra to the transition period (because for them it wasn't within the scope of the first stage).
I don't know what the legal position is, though.0 -
Perhaps. As a metropolitan elitist, I'd rather spend time in London, Brighton, Cambridge or Edinburgh than Barnsley, Clacton or Stoke-on-Trent. Tourism figures would show that there are more metropolitan elitists out there than are commonly suspected.DavidL said:
Maybe that's not the way he sees it. Just maybe that is your metropolitan elite bias showing...Just a theory of course.AlastairMeeks said:
That would be more persuasive if it were not for the fact that many of those places with very low immigration where people are very opposed to immigration are, not to put too fine a point on it, already shitholes.DavidL said:
Off the top of my head, maybe they want to keep it that way? Maybe they look at parts of their country which have had high immigration and are not totally enthused with the multiculturalism that thrives there?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.0 -
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
Because the alternative is being told what to do by an American Fascist.SandyRentool said:
I'm struggling to understand what is so Libertarian about being told what to do by the PM of Luxembourg.FF43 said:
Brexit is about identity, as the article below explains quite well, I believe. Attitudes to immigration are part of those identities. Do you see freedom of movement as liberty or do you see it as an affront to nations being in control? [What Brexit actually means of course is giving power to bureaucracies and an explosion of red tape. But that's a practical issue that has nothing to do with identity]rkrkrk said:
[...]
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/940607648503869441
Laters....0 -
Yeah, if you have paid for a ticket the airline can't really say or do anything to stop you wearing whatever you want (unless you decide to break indecency laws, of course). At the end of the day, when I pay £1300 for club class I'm not having some haughty check in attendant tell me to put shoes on rather than my converse. If I'm flying cattle but want to use my EC membership to go into the lounge they are well within their rights to tell me to put shoes on.TOPPING said:
Interesting. I have seen plenty of shorts and singlets in business/first class and that explains it.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
We're only being told what to do by the PM of Luxembourg because we have realised, or about to realise, that as long as the EU "owns" Europe we have no good alternative to a close relationship with the EU on its terms. Which means the PM of Luxembourg gets a say over our affairs that he wouldn't have had if we had remained in the EU. You voted Leave, but want a close relationship with the EU, I believe? Luxembourg, the Irish etc telling us what's what is the consequence of that contradiction.SandyRentool said:
I'm struggling to understand what is so Libertarian about being told what to do by the PM of Luxembourg.FF43 said:
Brexit is about identity, as the article below explains quite well, I believe. Attitudes to immigration are part of those identities. Do you see freedom of movement as liberty or do you see it as an affront to nations being in control? [What Brexit actually means of course is giving power to bureaucracies and an explosion of red tape. But that's a practical issue that has nothing to do with identity]rkrkrk said:
[...]
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/940607648503869441
Laters....0 -
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
As a child of immigrants myself, I have very little issue with immigration, but that's because I hve very little traditionally British cultural heritage. However, I can understand that people of a more culturally British family background would be sensitive to feeling it was under threat. When people look at these people and call them idiots on the left hand side of the bell curve who live in shitholes, I just find it ugly, intolerant politics. It's little better than the Momentum yobs that have taken over the Labour Party or the right wing UKIP bigots. It's all about dividing the country into tribes and throwing abuse at those in other ones.0
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I’m interestwd in the low immigration - opposition to immigration phenomenon.Tykejohnno said:
Again Bradford voted leave, large immigration - Why leave ?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
I’m not saying all places with high immigration are in favour.
As for bradford - my understanding is that most immigration there is from outside the EU.
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Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
bingo!rkrkrk said:
I’m interestwd in the low immigration - opposition to immigration phenomenon.Tykejohnno said:
Again Bradford voted leave, large immigration - Why leave ?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
I’m not saying all places with high immigration are in favour.
As for bradford - my understanding is that most immigration there is from outside the EU.0 -
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
Not sure why it gives you that right? All you’ve paid for is carriage between two cities.MaxPB said:
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
Not where I live in recent years,low skilled immigration from the EU (Eastern europe)rkrkrk said:
I’m interestwd in the low immigration - opposition to immigration phenomenon.Tykejohnno said:
Again Bradford voted leave, large immigration - Why leave ?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
I’m not saying all places with high immigration are in favour.
As for bradford - my understanding is that most immigration there is from outside the EU.
The quality of life where I live was already poor but some bright spark had the idea to make it poorer.0 -
'It's little better than the Momentum yobs that have taken over the Labour Party or the right wing UKIP bigots. It's all about dividing the country into tribes and throwing abuse at those in other ones.'Elliot said:As a child of immigrants myself, I have very little issue with immigration, but that's because I hve very little traditionally British cultural heritage. However, I can understand that people of a more culturally British family background would be sensitive to feeling it was under threat. When people look at these people and call them idiots on the left hand side of the bell curve who live in shitholes, I just find it ugly, intolerant politics. It's little better than the Momentum yobs that have taken over the Labour Party or the right wing UKIP bigots. It's all about dividing the country into tribes and throwing abuse at those in other ones.
The first sentence being a pretty good application of the second sentence, well done.0 -
OK that is interesting. So contradicting the Daily Mash piece - someone it has personally affected. In what way has it done so?Tykejohnno said:
Not where I live in recent years,low skilled immigration from the EU (Eastern europe)rkrkrk said:
I’m interestwd in the low immigration - opposition to immigration phenomenon.Tykejohnno said:
Again Bradford voted leave, large immigration - Why leave ?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
I’m not saying all places with high immigration are in favour.
As for bradford - my understanding is that most immigration there is from outside the EU.
The quality of life where I live was already poor but some bright spark had the idea to make it poorer.0 -
It depends on what it says when you book it. If it says it includes use of the business lounge then they should let you in (BA do).RobD said:
Not sure why it gives you that right? All you’ve paid for is carriage between two cities.MaxPB said:
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
It probably also said there was a dress code when she booked it.MaxPB said:
It depends on what it says when you book it. If it says it includes use of the business lounge then they should let you in (BA do).RobD said:
Not sure why it gives you that right? All you’ve paid for is carriage between two cities.MaxPB said:
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/941583642505117696
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Remind me to not book with Qantas!RobD said:
It probably also said there was a dress code when she booked it.MaxPB said:
It depends on what it says when you book it. If it says it includes use of the business lounge then they should let you in (BA do).RobD said:
Not sure why it gives you that right? All you’ve paid for is carriage between two cities.MaxPB said:
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/9415836425051176960 -
To be clear, my view of the Brexit vote is that it was driven in such places precisely because the locals perceived them as failing - shitholes, if you like. The vote in such areas was at least as much a product of austerity as anti-immigration sentiment. In such places, the vote was not a product of people defensively protecting an area that they were proud of but desperately casting around for solutions to stop things getting still worse.Elliot said:As a child of immigrants myself, I have very little issue with immigration, but that's because I hve very little traditionally British cultural heritage. However, I can understand that people of a more culturally British family background would be sensitive to feeling it was under threat. When people look at these people and call them idiots on the left hand side of the bell curve who live in shitholes, I just find it ugly, intolerant politics. It's little better than the Momentum yobs that have taken over the Labour Party or the right wing UKIP bigots. It's all about dividing the country into tribes and throwing abuse at those in other ones.
The really interesting question is why prosperous areas in the south voted for Leave in such large numbers. That was a much more unusual phenomenon, but is much less remarked upon.0 -
I wouldn't expect payments to be massively bigger than already agreed to cover the first two years of transition. That's because we are committed to pay up to 2020 anyway. I note one of the ways the UK government has massaged the €60 billion estimate to £39 billion is to pay a chunk of the exit fee early, before we leave the EU in 2019, so the remainder is made smaller.Winstanley said:@Richard_Tyndall: I've just seen your reply on the £40bn and the transition deal the other day, sorry I didn't reply then. I was going off this snippet in the Guardian's live blog on the day:
'Britain’s divorce bill is estimated to be £35bn-£39bn (€40bn-€45bn), it has been disclosed.
The UK will only pay if a wider withdrawal agreement is struck by Brexit day and there is swift agreement on a transition period. It includes the payment promised by Theresa May in her Florence speech, which she linked to a two-year “implementation period”, as she describes it. The EU is not linking the sum to the transition period, however.
If the UK wants a transition period beyond 31 December 2020, when the current seven-year EU budget ends, it will have to pay more. The EU is also leaving open the question of whether or not it will seek additional funds in return for the transition period. The money will be paid over time rather than in a lump sum.'
If our commentators are saying the £39bn includes the cost of a transition, that is not how the Europeans seem to have understood it. They're interpreting it as May agreeing to their position that her initial £18bn offer should be doubled before the second stage could be begun, without linking the extra to the transition period (because for them it wasn't within the scope of the first stage).
I don't know what the legal position is, though.0 -
interesting:MaxPB said:
Remind me to not book with Qantas!RobD said:
It probably also said there was a dress code when she booked it.MaxPB said:
It depends on what it says when you book it. If it says it includes use of the business lounge then they should let you in (BA do).RobD said:
Not sure why it gives you that right? All you’ve paid for is carriage between two cities.MaxPB said:
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/941583642505117696
https://ausbt.com.au/is-there-a-qantas-club-dress-code
Of course UGG boots should be banned everywhere.0 -
As James Connolly said: 'If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.'FF43 said:
We're only being told what to do by the PM of Luxembourg because we have realised, or about to realise, that as long as the EU "owns" Europe we have no good alternative to a close relationship with the EU on its terms. Which means the PM of Luxembourg gets a say over our affairs that he wouldn't have had if we had remained in the EU. You voted Leave, but want a close relationship with the EU, I believe? Luxembourg, the Irish etc telling us what's what is the consequence of that contradiction.SandyRentool said:
I'm struggling to understand what is so Libertarian about being told what to do by the PM of Luxembourg.FF43 said:
Brexit is about identity, as the article below explains quite well, I believe. Attitudes to immigration are part of those identities. Do you see freedom of movement as liberty or do you see it as an affront to nations being in control? [What Brexit actually means of course is giving power to bureaucracies and an explosion of red tape. But that's a practical issue that has nothing to do with identity]rkrkrk said:
[...]
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/940607648503869441
Laters....
How do you reconcile an integrated world economy that makes us all interdependent, alongside a desire for national sovereignty? We'll be alone in our little rowing boat getting tossed about by a stormy sea, free to row impotently in whatever direction we like, and we'll call it national sovereignty.0 -
The clue is in the name isn't it?TOPPING said:
interesting:MaxPB said:
Remind me to not book with Qantas!RobD said:
It probably also said there was a dress code when she booked it.MaxPB said:
It depends on what it says when you book it. If it says it includes use of the business lounge then they should let you in (BA do).RobD said:
Not sure why it gives you that right? All you’ve paid for is carriage between two cities.MaxPB said:
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/941583642505117696
https://ausbt.com.au/is-there-a-qantas-club-dress-code
Of course UGG boots should be banned everywhere.0 -
Good to see hi-vis jackets are okay...TOPPING said:
interesting:MaxPB said:
Remind me to not book with Qantas!RobD said:
It probably also said there was a dress code when she booked it.MaxPB said:
It depends on what it says when you book it. If it says it includes use of the business lounge then they should let you in (BA do).RobD said:
Not sure why it gives you that right? All you’ve paid for is carriage between two cities.MaxPB said:
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/941583642505117696
https://ausbt.com.au/is-there-a-qantas-club-dress-code
Of course UGG boots should be banned everywhere.
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Yes workwear is fine as long as you haven't come straight from digging the trench.RobD said:
Good to see hi-vis jackets are okay...TOPPING said:
interesting:MaxPB said:
Remind me to not book with Qantas!RobD said:
It probably also said there was a dress code when she booked it.MaxPB said:
It depends on what it says when you book it. If it says it includes use of the business lounge then they should let you in (BA do).RobD said:
Not sure why it gives you that right? All you’ve paid for is carriage between two cities.MaxPB said:
Yeah, that's a bit mental, if you've paid for club class then you should be able to use all of the services within the club class provision in whatever clothes you want.RobD said:
Not for the Qantas lounge, apparently!MaxPB said:
Same rules aiui. Paying customers get to wear whatever they want, executive club members have to abide by the dress code.RobD said:
It was for access to the lounge, not the flight.MaxPB said:
Not if you have a ticket for business or first. If you are there by the grace of the airline or via a loyalty scheme then they usually insist on a dress code.Benpointer said:
Very good! But seriously, they have a dress code for business class??TheScreamingEagles said:I hope she told them 'Don't you want me?'
twitter.com/standardnews/status/941583642505117696
https://ausbt.com.au/is-there-a-qantas-club-dress-code
Of course UGG boots should be banned everywhere.
They actually define UGG boots as sleepwear hence the ban.
https://qantas.com/travel/airlines/qantas-club-dress-guidelines/global/en0 -
Except in the situations where countries still have a veto, then he’d still have a say over our affairs even if we were in the EU.FF43 said:
We're only being told what to do by the PM of Luxembourg because we have realised, or about to realise, that as long as the EU "owns" Europe we have no good alternative to a close relationship with the EU on its terms. Which means the PM of Luxembourg gets a say over our affairs that he wouldn't have had if we had remained in the EU. You voted Leave, but want a close relationship with the EU, I believe? Luxembourg, the Irish etc telling us what's what is the consequence of that contradiction.SandyRentool said:
I'm struggling to understand what is so Libertarian about being told what to do by the PM of Luxembourg.FF43 said:
Brexit is about identity, as the article below explains quite well, I believe. Attitudes to immigration are part of those identities. Do you see freedom of movement as liberty or do you see it as an affront to nations being in control? [What Brexit actually means of course is giving power to bureaucracies and an explosion of red tape. But that's a practical issue that has nothing to do with identity]rkrkrk said:
[...]
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/940607648503869441
Laters....0 -
Postwar there was significant immigration from Poland and the Ukraine, too (the number of Catholic churches and schools is a clue...).Tykejohnno said:
Not where I live in recent years,low skilled immigration from the EU (Eastern europe)rkrkrk said:
I’m interestwd in the low immigration - opposition to immigration phenomenon.Tykejohnno said:
Again Bradford voted leave, large immigration - Why leave ?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
I’m not saying all places with high immigration are in favour.
As for bradford - my understanding is that most immigration there is from outside the EU.
The quality of life where I live was already poor but some bright spark had the idea to make it poorer.
And before that, Germany.0 -
Health for one,the sign up by people from eastern europe at the local health centre, you be lucky to see a doc.TOPPING said:
OK that is interesting. So contradicting the Daily Mash piece - someone it has personally affected. In what way has it done so?Tykejohnno said:
Not where I live in recent years,low skilled immigration from the EU (Eastern europe)rkrkrk said:
I’m interestwd in the low immigration - opposition to immigration phenomenon.Tykejohnno said:
Again Bradford voted leave, large immigration - Why leave ?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
I’m not saying all places with high immigration are in favour.
As for bradford - my understanding is that most immigration there is from outside the EU.
The quality of life where I live was already poor but some bright spark had the idea to make it poorer.
I could go on but work to do,not forgetting transport, schools and the low skilled we let in ,so they all have jobs ? My area says different.
Like I said,it comes down to the quality of life for me.0 -
So you can't get to see a doc if you phone up for an appointment? That is a real effect. The others, would be very interested when you have some time to post in more detail.Tykejohnno said:
Health for one,the sign up by people from eastern europe at the local health centre, you be lucky to see a doc.TOPPING said:
OK that is interesting. So contradicting the Daily Mash piece - someone it has personally affected. In what way has it done so?Tykejohnno said:
Not where I live in recent years,low skilled immigration from the EU (Eastern europe)rkrkrk said:
I’m interestwd in the low immigration - opposition to immigration phenomenon.Tykejohnno said:
Again Bradford voted leave, large immigration - Why leave ?rkrkrk said:
Why does it matter where I live?Tykejohnno said:
Well we don't know where you live to tell us.rkrkrk said:
A quick google gives foreign born population in Barnsley of 4% - less than half the national average.TOPPING said:
So that's what @HYUFD looks like!Tykejohnno said:
Brilliant.CarlottaVance said:A voter speaks:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/941587130014367744
Edit: he is of course absolutely wrong on many levels, if articulate.
Maybe we should just give the man what he wants and see what happens.
He got a big clap for saying end freedom of movement - in a place with hardly any immigrants.
This seems to a common theme - places with low immigration are very opposed to immigration.
I want to understand why.
I’m not saying all places with high immigration are in favour.
As for bradford - my understanding is that most immigration there is from outside the EU.
The quality of life where I live was already poor but some bright spark had the idea to make it poorer.
I could go on but work to do,not forgetting transport, schools and the low skilled we let in ,so they all have jobs ? My area says different.
Like I said,it comes down to the quality of life for me.0 -
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I find it weird that £40bn was interpreted as her massaging it down anyway, a couple of weeks previously and it was bandied about as a terribly high figure (e.g. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/882041/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-40bn-divorce-bill-bananas-david-davis-boris-johnson).FF43 said:
I wouldn't expect payments to be massively bigger than already agreed to cover the first two years of transition. That's because we are committed to pay up to 2020 anyway. I note one of the ways the UK government has massaged the €60 billion estimate to £39 billion is to pay a chunk of the exit fee early, before we leave the EU in 2019, so the remainder is made smaller.Winstanley said:@Richard_Tyndall: I've just seen your reply on the £40bn and the transition deal the other day, sorry I didn't reply then. I was going off this snippet in the Guardian's live blog on the day:
'Britain’s divorce bill is estimated to be £35bn-£39bn (€40bn-€45bn), it has been disclosed.
The UK will only pay if a wider withdrawal agreement is struck by Brexit day and there is swift agreement on a transition period. It includes the payment promised by Theresa May in her Florence speech, which she linked to a two-year “implementation period”, as she describes it. The EU is not linking the sum to the transition period, however.
If the UK wants a transition period beyond 31 December 2020, when the current seven-year EU budget ends, it will have to pay more. The EU is also leaving open the question of whether or not it will seek additional funds in return for the transition period. The money will be paid over time rather than in a lump sum.'
If our commentators are saying the £39bn includes the cost of a transition, that is not how the Europeans seem to have understood it. They're interpreting it as May agreeing to their position that her initial £18bn offer should be doubled before the second stage could be begun, without linking the extra to the transition period (because for them it wasn't within the scope of the first stage).
I don't know what the legal position is, though.
The £100bn (against which it seems small) floated by the FT people was liabilities rather than the final settlement, and actually translated into what we actually got:
'Alex Barker and George Parker of the Financial Times says of the same negotiations that the UK will assume liabilities “worth up to €100bn” (£88bn). However, he says that the net figure (after deductions for payments made to the UK) could fall to less than half of that – “with the UK side pressing for an implied figure of €40-45bn” (£35-£40bn).'
It's the upper end of an estimate regarded previously as unreasonably high, and she's applauded for it. Plus, it's not even final (even if, as you think, the extra will be small). Just baffling.0
