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You say it like it's a bad thinganothernick said:
It's more than that. A leadership contest could well lead to one (or more) of the following:rkrkrk said:
What proportion of these anonymous anecdotes are made up?TheScreamingEagles said:
There have been loads since the election but very little in the way of an actual challenge... I'm not saying it won't happen - but what are the Tories waiting for?
Is it just that resentment of Boris and not wanting him to be PM means they will support TM?
1) An irrevocable split in the Tory Party
2) The collapse of the Brexit talks
3) A Corbyn-led government
4) Another general election
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Yep, a restful period on the sidelines doing bugga all campaigning would beckon.TheScreamingEagles said:
Awful. Just awful.GIN1138 said:
Hoe does this ministry sound to you:TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris as PM will be a bigger disaster than Theresa May.GIN1138 said:
I was only joking.SeanT said:
Actually, Boris looks like he is almost crying, and his face is full of human empathy, and pity (which is the natural reaction, the speech was so sad)GIN1138 said:
I am acquainted with Boris Johnson. He is ambitious and smart and he can be ruthless, but he is not some evil careerist monster. He is also, sincerely, a eurosceptic.
I like Boris and as an "outsider" to the Tory Party it looks like a "no-brainer" for him to take over from Theresa like yesterday...
Trust me, trust JohnO, trust Michael Gove.
PM- Boris
CotE - Gove
Foreign Sec - JRM
Home Sec - Priti
Would you tear up your membership card?
I’d remain a member but wouldn’t campaign for it until we returned to sanity.0 -
Not heard of him before to my shame. He is right in every aspect of that speech. Not least the last one about the British Government.freetochoose said:
Googling him I also noticed a tweet from a few days ago from him:
"Everybody says that the #CatalanReferendum was illegal. There were several independence movements which were "illegal". Following this reasoning the USA would have remained a colony of UK. One cannot ignore the desire of millions of Catalans."0 -
Have you got a link to it being a BBC pass?YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.0 -
I'd get a membership card.GIN1138 said:
How does this ministry sound to you:TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris as PM will be a bigger disaster than Theresa May.GIN1138 said:
I was only joking.SeanT said:
Actually, Boris looks like he is almost crying, and his face is full of human empathy, and pity (which is the natural reaction, the speech was so sad)GIN1138 said:
I am acquainted with Boris Johnson. He is ambitious and smart and he can be ruthless, but he is not some evil careerist monster. He is also, sincerely, a eurosceptic.
I like Boris and as an "outsider" to the Tory Party it looks like a "no-brainer" for him to take over from Theresa like yesterday...
Trust me, trust JohnO, trust Michael Gove.
PM- Boris
CotE - Gove
Foreign Sec - JRM
Home Sec - Priti
David Davis - Brexit Sec
Would you tear up your membership card?0 -
What a sensible man!freetochoose said:0 -
DId Boy George ever show his face? Wonder what he did with his pass...YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.
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However, I would offer Rees-Mogg a middle ranking job in one of the more important Departments, perhaps Minister of State at DWP?0
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If he walked in with no pass, then that is clearly a security issue & responsibility lies with G4S (who were paid to be in charge of security).Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Cwsc, is it confirmed it was a BBC pass?
If he misused a journalist’s pass or BBC pass, the responsibility lies with the news organisation.
Obviously, more details needed.0 -
PPS for David Davis looks like the appropriate limit for his abilities.JohnO said:However, I would offer Rees-Mogg a middle ranking job in one of the more important Departments, perhaps Minister of State at DWP?
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Given his Catholicism, surely he'll be better suited to being a PUSS at Northern Ireland?JohnO said:However, I would offer Rees-Mogg a middle ranking job in one of the more important Departments, perhaps Minister of State at DWP?
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So David Davis would have JRM as his PPS and Stewart Jackson as his Chief of Staff.AlastairMeeks said:
PPS for David Davis looks like the appropriate limit for his abilities.JohnO said:However, I would offer Rees-Mogg a middle ranking job in one of the more important Departments, perhaps Minister of State at DWP?
That's a scary thought even before you realise that would be in DExEU0 -
Private Frazer?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let Rigby name the person thenTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I listened to it live on the radio. It was genuinely difficult to hear her struggle. You could tell by the panic in her voice that she knew it wasn't just a cough, it was turning into some sort of metaphor for her premiership. Near the end, I was begging her to stop, and just say "Fuck it. Fuck Brexit, fuck Boris, fuck labour, and fuck all of you. I've had enough of this shit, and I'm off. Fight it out amongst yourselves."
I think the twat with the P45 needs to have a word with himself.
On the whole, I think she's done for and I think she knows it's a case of sooner rather than later.0 -
We've no idea about his political and administrative abilities, and the capacity to defend policies in the Commons and outside with which he may personally disagree, until these are tested. PPS is a no-job.AlastairMeeks said:
PPS for David Davis looks like the appropriate limit for his abilities.JohnO said:However, I would offer Rees-Mogg a middle ranking job in one of the more important Departments, perhaps Minister of State at DWP?
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You don't understand how this confidential sources malarkey works.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let Rigby name the person thenTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Just catching up on headlines.
May is gone, right?0 -
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck!" - Obi-Wan Kenobi.GIN1138 said:
In life you make your own luck...MarkHopkins said:
Just TMay just have bad luck? I mean: a cold, letters alling down, a comedian sneaking through.
Exactly which parts of this her ault?0 -
The Manchester police have stated that he “had accreditation” (quoted in the Telegraph).TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you got a link to it being a BBC pass?YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.
We know he was posing as a journalist (a photographer).
Let’s wait and see what emerges, but, if he was using the pass of any news organisation, it is the news organisation who have behaved irresponsibly.
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If she were a dog, she'd be taken round back and well you know.Jonathan said:Just catching up on headlines.
May is gone, right?0 -
foxinsoxuk said:
You say it like it's a bad thinganothernick said:
It's more than that. A leadership contest could well lead to one (or more) of the following:rkrkrk said:
What proportion of these anonymous anecdotes are made up?TheScreamingEagles said:
There have been loads since the election but very little in the way of an actual challenge... I'm not saying it won't happen - but what are the Tories waiting for?
Is it just that resentment of Boris and not wanting him to be PM means they will support TM?
1) An irrevocable split in the Tory Party
2) The collapse of the Brexit talks
3) A Corbyn-led government
4) Another general election 0 -
Fixed it for youTheScreamingEagles said:
You don't understand how this made-up drivel malarkey works.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let Rigby name the person thenTheScreamingEagles said:
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He is a better communicator than every single member of the cabinet. What of his abilities limits him?AlastairMeeks said:
PPS for David Davis looks like the appropriate limit for his abilities.JohnO said:However, I would offer Rees-Mogg a middle ranking job in one of the more important Departments, perhaps Minister of State at DWP?
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Cowards hide behind rumoursTheScreamingEagles said:
You don't understand how this confidential sources malarkey works.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let Rigby name the person thenTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
So no evidence it was a BBC pass, just speculation on your part?YBarddCwsc said:
The Manchester police have stated that he “had accreditation” (quoted in the Telegraph).TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you got a link to it being a BBC pass?YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.
We know he was posing as a journalist (a photographer).
Let’s wait and see what emerges, but, if he was using the pass of any news organisation, it is the news organisation who have behaved irresponsibly.0 -
His hypocrisy, his thoughts on food banks for starters.Mortimer said:
He is a better communicator than every single member of the cabinet. What of his abilities limits him?AlastairMeeks said:
PPS for David Davis looks like the appropriate limit for his abilities.JohnO said:However, I would offer Rees-Mogg a middle ranking job in one of the more important Departments, perhaps Minister of State at DWP?
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You mean like Mrs May and her team.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Cowards hide behind rumoursTheScreamingEagles said:
You don't understand how this confidential sources malarkey works.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Let Rigby name the person thenTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Read my post.TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence it was a BBC pass, just speculation on your part?YBarddCwsc said:
The Manchester police have stated that he “had accreditation” (quoted in the Telegraph).TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you got a link to it being a BBC pass?YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.
We know he was posing as a journalist (a photographer).
Let’s wait and see what emerges, but, if he was using the pass of any news organisation, it is the news organisation who have behaved irresponsibly.
I said .... “IF the prankster used a BBC pass ...”
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If this goes on much longer I could see her actually becoming very unwell.TwistedFireStopper said:I listened to it live on the radio. It was genuinely difficult to hear her struggle. You could tell by the panic in her voice that she knew it wasn't just a cough, it was turning into some sort of metaphor for her premiership. Near the end, I was begging her to stop, and just say "Fuck it. Fuck Brexit, fuck Boris, fuck labour, and fuck all of you. I've had enough of this shit, and I'm off. Fight it out amongst yourselves."
I think the twat with the P45 needs to have a word with himself.
On the whole, I think she's done for and I think she knows it's a case of sooner rather than later.
Nobody wants to see that (well Osborne and TSE might but nobody with any compassion would want to see it)0 -
But why choose the BBC, instead of say Sky News, or The Sun?YBarddCwsc said:
Read my post.TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence it was a BBC pass, just speculation on your part?YBarddCwsc said:
The Manchester police have stated that he “had accreditation” (quoted in the Telegraph).TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you got a link to it being a BBC pass?YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.
We know he was posing as a journalist (a photographer).
Let’s wait and see what emerges, but, if he was using the pass of any news organisation, it is the news organisation who have behaved irresponsibly.
I said .... “IF the prankster used a BBC pass ...”0 -
A press pass at the Conservative Party Conference costs £875. Never was a cheap stunt so expensive.YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.0 -
Doesn't she run the Conservative Party? Apart from the cold they are all the party's fault.MarkHopkins said:
Just TMay just have bad luck? I mean: a cold, letters alling down, a comedian sneaking through.
Exactly which parts of this her ault?0 -
Ashcroft doesn't seem impressed :
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10/theresa-mays-speech-no-retreat-face-difficulty/0 -
An extensive reshuffle before Christmas, coupled with substantive action to make a reality of her conference pledges.Jonathan said:
I don't think she will lead the party into the next election: her political duty is to bring forward talent into prominent positions so that MPs, the membership and then the electorate have a new PM with the credibility to take the Tories to victory in 2022. It's difficult but doable.0 -
Sounds like she should make Ken Clarke Foreign Secretary.JohnO said:
An extensive reshuffle before Christmas, coupled with substantive action to make a reality of her conference pledges.Jonathan said:
I don't think she will lead the party into the next election: her political duty is to bring forward talent into prominent positions so that MPs, the membership and then the electorate have a new PM with the credibility to take the Tories to victory in 2022. It's difficult but doable.0 -
I think The Good Lord is trying to put the best spin on it he can.CarlottaVance said:
It was an unmitigated disaster...0 -
Lies, I want her gone, because I want a chance to win the next election, as does Mr Osborne.GIN1138 said:
If this goes on much longer I could see her actually becoming very unwell.TwistedFireStopper said:I listened to it live on the radio. It was genuinely difficult to hear her struggle. You could tell by the panic in her voice that she knew it wasn't just a cough, it was turning into some sort of metaphor for her premiership. Near the end, I was begging her to stop, and just say "Fuck it. Fuck Brexit, fuck Boris, fuck labour, and fuck all of you. I've had enough of this shit, and I'm off. Fight it out amongst yourselves."
I think the twat with the P45 needs to have a word with himself.
On the whole, I think she's done for and I think she knows it's a case of sooner rather than later.
Nobody wants to see that (well Osborne and TSE might but nobody with any compassion would want to see it)
The longer she stays, the bigger Corbyn's majority.0 -
No, Jeremy Hunt.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sounds like she should make Ken Clarke Foreign Secretary.JohnO said:
An extensive reshuffle before Christmas, coupled with substantive action to make a reality of her conference pledges.Jonathan said:
I don't think she will lead the party into the next election: her political duty is to bring forward talent into prominent positions so that MPs, the membership and then the electorate have a new PM with the credibility to take the Tories to victory in 2022. It's difficult but doable.0 -
Perhaps because the prankster has often appeared on the BBC .... and so has friends and connections among BBC journalists.TheScreamingEagles said:
But why choose the BBC, instead of say Sky News, or The Sun?YBarddCwsc said:
Read my post.TheScreamingEagles said:
So no evidence it was a BBC pass, just speculation on your part?YBarddCwsc said:
The Manchester police have stated that he “had accreditation” (quoted in the Telegraph).TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you got a link to it being a BBC pass?YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.
We know he was posing as a journalist (a photographer).
Let’s wait and see what emerges, but, if he was using the pass of any news organisation, it is the news organisation who have behaved irresponsibly.
I said .... “IF the prankster used a BBC pass ...”
However, for your sake, I could repeat the whole post with billions of other news organisations ... or you could just read it, and internally process what ‘if’ means.
Actually, the whole incident reminded me of something in Fear & Loathing on the Campaign Trail. Hunter Thompson gave his Rolling Stone journalist’s pass to someone (the BooHoo) who went on to heckle and manhandle Senator Ed Muskie.
Hunter was quite properly censured for this by other journalists.
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Agreed but the reshuffle needs to come in the next couple of weeksJohnO said:
An extensive reshuffle before Christmas, coupled with substantive action to make a reality of her conference pledges.Jonathan said:
I don't think she will lead the party into the next election: her political duty is to bring forward talent into prominent positions so that MPs, the membership and then the electorate have a new PM with the credibility to take the Tories to victory in 2022. It's difficult but doable.
The incident today with the P45 prank looks like it gives her the excuse as her party chairman resigns or stands down as he said he would anyway0 -
Ken should be PM. The Churchill of Remain.JohnO said:
No, Jeremy Hunt.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sounds like she should make Ken Clarke Foreign Secretary.JohnO said:
An extensive reshuffle before Christmas, coupled with substantive action to make a reality of her conference pledges.Jonathan said:
I don't think she will lead the party into the next election: her political duty is to bring forward talent into prominent positions so that MPs, the membership and then the electorate have a new PM with the credibility to take the Tories to victory in 2022. It's difficult but doable.0 -
So, the choices are:
Boris Johnson
Jacob Rees Mogg
Amber Rudd
Phillip Hammond
David Davis
Jeremy Corbin
to be the next PM of the finest country in the World.
To quote the immortal Brian Potter, "Sweet Baby Jesus and all the orphans!"0 -
I'd be very happy with that.JohnO said:
No, Jeremy Hunt.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sounds like she should make Ken Clarke Foreign Secretary.JohnO said:
An extensive reshuffle before Christmas, coupled with substantive action to make a reality of her conference pledges.Jonathan said:
I don't think she will lead the party into the next election: her political duty is to bring forward talent into prominent positions so that MPs, the membership and then the electorate have a new PM with the credibility to take the Tories to victory in 2022. It's difficult but doable.0 -
Get him away from Health, please!JohnO said:
No, Jeremy Hunt.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sounds like she should make Ken Clarke Foreign Secretary.JohnO said:
An extensive reshuffle before Christmas, coupled with substantive action to make a reality of her conference pledges.Jonathan said:
I don't think she will lead the party into the next election: her political duty is to bring forward talent into prominent positions so that MPs, the membership and then the electorate have a new PM with the credibility to take the Tories to victory in 2022. It's difficult but doable.0 -
We've been through this countless times: if she goes now, the contest will likely be between Davis and Johnson. Is that what you REALLY want? And, if by chance, it's Amber Rudd on the ballot from the MPs (not Johnson), she will lose badly to DD.TheScreamingEagles said:
Lies, I want her gone, because I want a chance to win the next election, as does Mr Osborne.GIN1138 said:
If this goes on much longer I could see her actually becoming very unwell.TwistedFireStopper said:I listened to it live on the radio. It was genuinely difficult to hear her struggle. You could tell by the panic in her voice that she knew it wasn't just a cough, it was turning into some sort of metaphor for her premiership. Near the end, I was begging her to stop, and just say "Fuck it. Fuck Brexit, fuck Boris, fuck labour, and fuck all of you. I've had enough of this shit, and I'm off. Fight it out amongst yourselves."
I think the twat with the P45 needs to have a word with himself.
On the whole, I think she's done for and I think she knows it's a case of sooner rather than later.
Nobody wants to see that (well Osborne and TSE might but nobody with any compassion would want to see it)
The longer she stays, the bigger Corbyn's majority.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Lies,GIN1138 said:
If this goes on much longer I could see her actually becoming very unwell.TwistedFireStopper said:I listened to it live on the radio. It was genuinely difficult to hear her struggle. You could tell by the panic in her voice that she knew it wasn't just a cough, it was turning into some sort of metaphor for her premiership. Near the end, I was begging her to stop, and just say "Fuck it. Fuck Brexit, fuck Boris, fuck labour, and fuck all of you. I've had enough of this shit, and I'm off. Fight it out amongst yourselves."
I think the twat with the P45 needs to have a word with himself.
On the whole, I think she's done for and I think she knows it's a case of sooner rather than later.
Nobody wants to see that (well Osborne and TSE might but nobody with any compassion would want to see it) 0 -
Project Fear wasn't nearly afraid enough.TwistedFireStopper said:So, the choices are:
Boris Johnson
Jacob Rees Mogg
Amber Rudd
Phillip Hammond
David Davis
Jeremy Corbin
to be the next PM of the finest country in the World.
To quote the immortal Brian Potter, "Sweet Baby Jesus and all the orphans!"0 -
To be honest, it has become so bad, I think David Davis as PM is preferable to Mrs May as PM.JohnO said:
We've been through this countless times: if she goes now, the contest will likely be between Davis and Johnson. Is that what you REALLY want? And, if by chance, it's Amber Rudd on the ballot from the MPs (not Johnson), she will lose badly to DD.TheScreamingEagles said:
Lies, I want her gone, because I want a chance to win the next election, as does Mr Osborne.GIN1138 said:
If this goes on much longer I could see her actually becoming very unwell.TwistedFireStopper said:I listened to it live on the radio. It was genuinely difficult to hear her struggle. You could tell by the panic in her voice that she knew it wasn't just a cough, it was turning into some sort of metaphor for her premiership. Near the end, I was begging her to stop, and just say "Fuck it. Fuck Brexit, fuck Boris, fuck labour, and fuck all of you. I've had enough of this shit, and I'm off. Fight it out amongst yourselves."
I think the twat with the P45 needs to have a word with himself.
On the whole, I think she's done for and I think she knows it's a case of sooner rather than later.
Nobody wants to see that (well Osborne and TSE might but nobody with any compassion would want to see it)
The longer she stays, the bigger Corbyn's majority.
Plus, it'll be fun to see David Davis deliver Brexit he promised was so easy and deliverable.
I'm not worried about Boris, Michael Gove can work his magic on the Prime Ministerial ambitions of Boris, again.0 -
Edit - Beaten to it by JonathanDTwistedFireStopper said:So, the choices are:
Boris Johnson
Jacob Rees Mogg
Amber Rudd
Phillip Hammond
David Davis
Jeremy Corbin
to be the next PM of the finest country in the World.
To quote the immortal Brian Potter, "Sweet Baby Jesus and all the orphans!"0 -
Well looks like google want to give Sonos a kicking.0
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Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.TheScreamingEagles said:
To be honest, it has become so bad, I think David Davis as PM is preferable to Mrs May as PM.JohnO said:
We've been through this countless times: if she goes now, the contest will likely be between Davis and Johnson. Is that what you REALLY want? And, if by chance, it's Amber Rudd on the ballot from the MPs (not Johnson), she will lose badly to DD.TheScreamingEagles said:
Lies, I want her gone, because I want a chance to win the next election, as does Mr Osborne.GIN1138 said:
If this goes on much longer I could see her actually becoming very unwell.TwistedFireStopper said:I listened to it live on the radio. It was genuinely difficult to hear her struggle. You could tell by the panic in her voice that she knew it wasn't just a cough, it was turning into some sort of metaphor for her premiership. Near the end, I was begging her to stop, and just say "Fuck it. Fuck Brexit, fuck Boris, fuck labour, and fuck all of you. I've had enough of this shit, and I'm off. Fight it out amongst yourselves."
I think the twat with the P45 needs to have a word with himself.
On the whole, I think she's done for and I think she knows it's a case of sooner rather than later.
Nobody wants to see that (well Osborne and TSE might but nobody with any compassion would want to see it)
The longer she stays, the bigger Corbyn's majority.
Plus, it'll be fun to see David Davis deliver Brexit he promised was so easy and deliverable.
I'm not worried about Boris, Michael Gove can work his magic on the Prime Ministerial ambitions of Boris, again.0 -
If TM is not willing to resign as PM (after appropriate persuasion) then public statements of no confidence would need to be made. A few cabinet ministers could resign (with potential personal political fall out) or elder statesmen/women (eg Hague?).0
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I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.0 -
What a daft prank. I find these kinds of attempts at public humiliation far worse than people being sweary on twitter etc. Not funny, just nasty.0
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I should add that my 'support' for Mrs May is absolutely conditional that she starts behaving like a Prime Minister and least makes an attempt at displaying the smack of firm government. If we're still drifting along aimlessly by early 2018 at the latest, then she will have to go.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.0 -
Surely you'll be calling for her to go after the 2018 summer recess?JohnO said:
I should add that my 'support' for Mrs May is absolutely conditional that she starts behaving like a Prime Minister and least makes an attempt at displaying the smack of firm government. If we're still drifting along aimlessly by early 2018 at the latest, then she will have to go.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.0 -
In these troubled times, my own financial well-being must be subordinated to the national interest.TheScreamingEagles said:
Surely you'll be calling for her to go after the 2018 summer recess?JohnO said:
I should add that my 'support' for Mrs May is absolutely conditional that she starts behaving like a Prime Minister and least makes an attempt at displaying the smack of firm government. If we're still drifting along aimlessly by early 2018 at the latest, then she will have to go.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.0 -
I agree.Winstanley said:What a daft prank. I find these kinds of attempts at public humiliation far worse than people being sweary on twitter etc. Not funny, just nasty.
Theresa was already beyond saving, dead & buried
The prankster just looks like a bully.0 -
Excellent post Cyclefree, I totally agree.Cyclefree said:
I agree with this. I thought she ought to go after the election. Her health is more important, frankly.DavidL said:I don't like Mrs May. She is a difficult person to like. I don't have a high regard for her abilities or her judgment. I am concerned that someone with such poor judgment is in charge of our country at this time.
But that was cruel. This is a woman who has given her life to public service. She has a very strong reputation for integrity. She really didn't deserve that. I like to think that if I was doing this to myself my better half would have a word.
I also don't agree that she has no political skills or empathy. She is unsuited to be PM and is shy and lacking in charisma. But the Hillsborough families spoke highly of her help and of her genuine concern for them. Her work on anti-slavery is worthwhile and she finally got rid of the loathsome Qatada. She was also right in what she said to the Police Federation about the treatment of black youths and, frankly, in what she said to the Tories when they were in Opposition about how they were perceived. She also did quite a lot to help women Tory candidates. I think her first speech as PM was very good. So she meant well. But she lacked the ability to follow through on it and has been utterly overwhelmed by Brexit.
May is an example of the Peter principle in action. Some people grow into a role. She has not. But, let's face it, difficult to see who would given the enormous and probably irreconcilable pressures on anyone becoming PM in the wake of the referendum result.
If Corbyn becomes PM I would expect him to be overwhelmed as well. It is far far easier to make a diagnosis of what has gone wrong than it is to come up with practical solutions which command the support of the Cabinet, MPs, voters and, in the case of negotiations, the EU.
We need a Solomon. What we have is a Frank Spencer. Waiting in the wings is "Wolfie" Smith.
Felt sorry for May today (though I must admit when I initially heard about the Lee Nelson prank I did find it a bit funny, sorry guys). I think she should walk away at this stage, it’s clear that she isn’t up to the job. Of course, then the problem becomes who do you replace her with?0 -
That is not what I said, but the moderstors have asked me not to discuss the matter on here with you, and I shall respect their wishes.SeanT said:
235 victims in this one case, in one town, Rotherham.SandyRentool said:
Why do they keep saying 'Asian'? A more accurate descriptor should be applied.FrancisUrquhart said:Twelve more men 'who raped eight girls under 16' are charged in new probe into Asian sex gangs in Rotherham
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4948528/Twelve-men-charged-Rotherham-sex-investigation.html
I remember when tyson and foxinsox were on PB, loudly pooh-poohing the idea there could be as many as 1400 victims in total over decades, and said the Muslim grooming scandal was imaginary, and a load of right wing racist hysteria.
Not PB's finest hour.0 -
A speech which was twice the length it needed to be - particularly if she were having problems with her voice - and more or less void of content...MarkHopkins said:
Just TMay just have bad luck? I mean: a cold, letters alling down, a comedian sneaking through.
Exactly which parts of this her ault?
Who else is responsible for that ?
The housing policy - which might have changed the narrative - was utterly feeble. And what the hell is the 'British Dream' ? Sounds like something to do with Arthur and Merlin.
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Agree entirely - although it was 2005 not 2007.SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.0 -
If it was a photographer's pass, It's fairly common for snappers to be freelance, albeit often with the backing of an agency who they attend an event on behalf of. It wouldn't take too much to set up a real looking agency, send people along to few low level events and build a relationship with the press team. That might be part of the issue - I'd imagine the Tories press procedures are less thorough than No. 10.FF43 said:
A press pass at the Conservative Party Conference costs £875. Never was a cheap stunt so expensive.YBarddCwsc said:I am not sure I understand what happened with regard to the prankster.
If the prankster used a BBC pass, or was vouched for by the BBC, then I would have thought it was they who should be answering searching questions.
(I’ve no particularly brief to defend Theresa May, I think she should go)
But, if journalists are to be allowed access to politicians & passes to conferences, then news organisations need to behave responsibly.
Simon Brodkin, the guy who did it, is about as funny as a hole in the head - but very good at this kind of thing. A couple of years ago he managed to hurl Nazi golf balls at then candidate Donald Trump. He also managed to scatter money over Sepp Blatter. Obviously very good at creating an elaborate set up that gets him places he shouldn't be. He won't be with the BBC -Think they dropped his show a while back as it was awful.0 -
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.0 -
You, sir, are a true patriot.JohnO said:
In these troubled times, my own financial well-being must be subordinated to the national interest.TheScreamingEagles said:
Surely you'll be calling for her to go after the 2018 summer recess?JohnO said:
I should add that my 'support' for Mrs May is absolutely conditional that she starts behaving like a Prime Minister and least makes an attempt at displaying the smack of firm government. If we're still drifting along aimlessly by early 2018 at the latest, then she will have to go.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.0 -
And I really, really, must pay you back for your superlative generosity and company. Not that I'm conceding that she will have gone by next summer!!TheScreamingEagles said:
You, sir, are a true patriot.JohnO said:
In these troubled times, my own financial well-being must be subordinated to the national interest.TheScreamingEagles said:
Surely you'll be calling for her to go after the 2018 summer recess?JohnO said:
I should add that my 'support' for Mrs May is absolutely conditional that she starts behaving like a Prime Minister and least makes an attempt at displaying the smack of firm government. If we're still drifting along aimlessly by early 2018 at the latest, then she will have to go.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.0 -
As Mr Urquhart of this parish will point out, the civil servants pointed out that Dave was someone who always read his briefings.SeanT said:
lol. David "essay crisis" Cameron was the very definition of "winging it", he thought he could "wing" the EU negotiation, and then "wing" the EU referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.
Oops.
Unlike DD.0 -
Trouble is that Cameron might have read them but he clearly didn't understand them.TheScreamingEagles said:
As Mr Urquhart of this parish will point out, the civil servants pointed out that Dave was someone who always read his briefings.SeanT said:
lol. David "essay crisis" Cameron was the very definition of "winging it", he thought he could "wing" the EU negotiation, and then "wing" the EU referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.
Oops.
Unlike DD.0 -
He did though.Richard_Tyndall said:
Trouble is that Cameron might have read them but he clearly didn't understand them.TheScreamingEagles said:
As Mr Urquhart of this parish will point out, the civil servants pointed out that Dave was someone who always read his briefings.SeanT said:
lol. David "essay crisis" Cameron was the very definition of "winging it", he thought he could "wing" the EU negotiation, and then "wing" the EU referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.
Oops.
Unlike DD.0 -
Let me get the next fortnight out of the way, and I'll email you some dates, I've got a couple of London trips in the offing.JohnO said:
And I really, really, must pay you back for your superlative generosity and company. Not that I'm conceding that she will have gone by next summer!!TheScreamingEagles said:
You, sir, are a true patriot.JohnO said:
In these troubled times, my own financial well-being must be subordinated to the national interest.TheScreamingEagles said:
Surely you'll be calling for her to go after the 2018 summer recess?JohnO said:
I should add that my 'support' for Mrs May is absolutely conditional that she starts behaving like a Prime Minister and least makes an attempt at displaying the smack of firm government. If we're still drifting along aimlessly by early 2018 at the latest, then she will have to go.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.0 -
Davis would have walked all over Brown. In fact he would have won a majority instead of falling short and ending up in a coalition like Cameron. Hell, even May managed to get 2 million more votes than Cameron ever got and she is utter rubbish.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.0 -
Dave's two major blunders on the EU ref wereSeanT said:
Apparently Cameron loftily told Merkel and Hollande that they shouldn't worry, he would win the EU referendum easily, something like 70/30. Then I suppose he went back to playing Fruit Ninja on his iPad.TheScreamingEagles said:
As Mr Urquhart of this parish will point out, the civil servants pointed out that Dave was someone who always read his briefings.SeanT said:
lol. David "essay crisis" Cameron was the very definition of "winging it", he thought he could "wing" the EU negotiation, and then "wing" the EU referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.
Oops.
Unlike DD.
Oh dear.
1) Trying to sell his deal as awesome
2) He thought the Leave side would be Farage, John Redwood, and the rest of the Tory freak show.
3) When he realised he would be facing the likes of Gove and Boris, he should have gone medieval on their asses, he didn't want to go blue on blue.0 -
That's cheered me up no end from my current man-flu. Glad I didn't have to make a speech today.TheScreamingEagles said:
Let me get the next fortnight out of the way, and I'll email you some dates, I've got a couple of London trips in the offing.JohnO said:
And I really, really, must pay you back for your superlative generosity and company. Not that I'm conceding that she will have gone by next summer!!TheScreamingEagles said:
You, sir, are a true patriot.JohnO said:
In these troubled times, my own financial well-being must be subordinated to the national interest.TheScreamingEagles said:
Surely you'll be calling for her to go after the 2018 summer recess?JohnO said:
I should add that my 'support' for Mrs May is absolutely conditional that she starts behaving like a Prime Minister and least makes an attempt at displaying the smack of firm government. If we're still drifting along aimlessly by early 2018 at the latest, then she will have to go.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.0 -
Only one of those three won a majority.Richard_Tyndall said:
Davis would have walked all over Brown. In fact he would have won a majority instead of falling short and ending up in a coalition like Cameron. Hell, even May managed to get 2 million more votes than Cameron ever got and she is utter rubbish.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.
I'm sure the man who campaigned like this would have walked over Brown, LOLZ.
David Davis is a tit.
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Clearly, yer man Cameron is the one to blame for the state of your party, and the Nation. Rightly or wrongly, he instigated the Referendum, and then threw the towel in as soon as he could despite his words that he'd stay on for a bit. If he'd hung around, maybe yer other man Osborne might have been in with a chance? Mind you, I can't blame him. He's got a hot wife, loads of money and a lifestyle not many of us will ever have. Why would he hang around to sort the mess out?TheScreamingEagles said:
He did though.Richard_Tyndall said:
Trouble is that Cameron might have read them but he clearly didn't understand them.TheScreamingEagles said:
As Mr Urquhart of this parish will point out, the civil servants pointed out that Dave was someone who always read his briefings.SeanT said:
lol. David "essay crisis" Cameron was the very definition of "winging it", he thought he could "wing" the EU negotiation, and then "wing" the EU referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.
Oops.
Unlike DD.0 -
Theresa May constantly makes me think of Merleau-Ponty: 'In accepting the chance of glory in the role of politician, he accepts also the risk of infamy, in either case "undeserved".'
She had the undeserved glory and her problem was that she believed it, and now she has the undeserved infamy, and her problem is that she believes it too. It's just getting depressing, she's clearly hanging on to give her successor a better chance rather than being tarred with the difficulties of Brexit negotiations (i.e., Cameron's inheritance). And that successor and all the other candidates will campaign for the leadership by trashing her as an easy scapegoat (like Burnham, Cooper, and Kendall did for Ed in 2015).0 -
I am not sure which is worse mays speech or the google press conference.0
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She makes me think of Monty PythonWinstanley said:Theresa May constantly makes me think of Merleau-Ponty:
She really is further gone than the Norwegian Blue0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave's two major blunders on the EU ref wereSeanT said:
Apparently Cameron loftily told Merkel and Hollande that they shouldn't worry, he would win the EU referendum easily, something like 70/30. Then I suppose he went back to playing Fruit Ninja on his iPad.TheScreamingEagles said:
As Mr Urquhart of this parish will point out, the civil servants pointed out that Dave was someone who always read his briefings.SeanT said:
lol. David "essay crisis" Cameron was the very definition of "winging it", he thought he could "wing" the EU negotiation, and then "wing" the EU referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:
I know you hate Boris for stabbing your heroes, and winning the Brexit ref, but what's your beef with DD? He's a fairly standard libertarian Tory, with a much more impressive backstory than, say, Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I'll do my best to stop DD/JRM/Boris becoming PM, and will follow your wise counsel once more.
I suppose I should remember a year ago many people thought the Tories would be in power until 2030 at least, things could swing back so sharply again.
He's prone to narcissism, and occasionally a bit flaky, but he's also fairly charming, and obviously intelligent. Shame he's a little past it, now.
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.
Oops.
Unlike DD.
Oh dear.
1) Trying to sell his deal as awesome
2) He thought the Leave side would be Farage, John Redwood, and the rest of the Tory freak show.
3) When he realised he would be facing the likes of Gove and Boris, he should have gone medieval on their asses, he didn't want to go blue on blue.
Assuming Labour voters would swing behind the EU to the extent their MPs did was another problem. Any other leader than Corbyn and the ref would have been 60-40 remain I'd guess.
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Labour voters views on the EU were not decided in the campaign, or since 2015. Plenty will have been voting Lab for parliament and UKIP in euro elections.JonathanD said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave's two major blunders on the EU ref wereSeanT said:
Apparently Cameron loftily told Merkel and Hollande that they shouldn't worry, he would win the EU referendum easily, something like 70/30. Then I suppose he went back to playing Fruit Ninja on his iPad.TheScreamingEagles said:
As Mr Urquhart of this parish will point out, the civil servants pointed out that Dave was someone who always read his briefings.SeanT said:
lol. David "essay crisis" Cameron was the very definition of "winging it", he thought he could "wing" the EU negotiation, and then "wing" the EU referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
There would be no Tory party had Davis beaten Cameron in 2005, Brown would have won the snap election against Davis,SeanT said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, I just find it depressing that she's our least worst option, and this is what has become of our party.JohnO said:
Ah, so you've become a Tory revolutionary defeatist. There we part company.
I
Theory: the Tory party would be in a far, far better position - likewise the country - if they'd chosen Davis over Cameron back in 2007.
He's not a civil libertarian.
For starters he opposed same sex marriage.
He also wants to bring in a de facto ID card for EU citizens.
He's a hypocrite, he is opposed to foreign courts meddling in our country, but went to the European Court of Justice to stop the government legislation.
He consistently wings it, as we're seeing with Brexit, he's just not good enough.
Oops.
Unlike DD.
Oh dear.
1) Trying to sell his deal as awesome
2) He thought the Leave side would be Farage, John Redwood, and the rest of the Tory freak show.
3) When he realised he would be facing the likes of Gove and Boris, he should have gone medieval on their asses, he didn't want to go blue on blue.
Assuming Labour voters would swing behind the EU to the extent their MPs did was another problem. Any other leader than Corbyn and the ref would have been 60-40 remain I'd guess.
Corbyn did remarkably well to carry so many imo. An alternative leadership extolling the EU unequivocally would have got less of a hearing from Labour voters.
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What austerity?Elliot said:
May's seat loss was substantially down to Osborne's austerity.TheScreamingEagles said:
He already knew it well enough, it explains why he helped take the Tories from 198 seats to 331 seats, and Mrs May took the party backwards.Essexit said:
Perhaps May and Osborne both need to get to know their party better.TheScreamingEagles said:If Mrs May had gotten to know her party better, she would have realised how badly the dementia tax would go down with Tory voters.
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Party before country. The story of the Conservatives.TheScreamingEagles said:
3) When he realised he would be facing the likes of Gove and Boris, he should have gone medieval on their asses, he didn't want to go blue on blue.0 -
I used to Iive in Maidenhead. She is a diligent and hard working MP.SeanT said:
Trouble is, TMay isn't even that likeable. Almost zero charm.NickPalmer said:
Absolutely do feel sympathy - must have been awful. But I think most voters will feel a bit like bosses having to write a reference for someone they like who wasn't quite up to the job, "Always made every effort and gave her utmost to the task."Richard_Nabavi said:From a personal point of view, of course any sentient being will feel sympathy for Theresa May, and not just because of today; it must have been absolutely devastating for her to see what a gigantic screw-up she had made at the GE. However, sympathy doesn't usually translate into votes, normally it's the other way round.
Perhaps more apposite is the reflection on to Boris. I have a feeling this won't help him.
If she had Bojo's gift for witty self deprecation, or Corbyn's ability to be folksy, or Blair's talent for grinning smarm, then she'd have *something* - but no. It's hard to find anything obviously positive to say about her.0
