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TMay keeping going in spite of her cough pic.twitter.com/Eo6aJTDMZt
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Four coughs.
A banned racehorse name.0 -
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@JamesAALongman: F off0
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Hello hello, a plug for Osborne?0
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FPT regarding the Rudd video.Philip_Thompson said:
Tad cruel, nobody else is standing yet, Rudd is starting an ovation there. Could equally have said Rudd telling Davis and Hunt to stand too.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?0
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Let's hope that "COUNTRY" holds together!Scott_P said:0 -
Closing part of the speech talking about she doesn't give up, doesn't back down, keeps fighting. And you saw proof of that today with the heckler and the voice trouble.
For some, no clue how many I don't think today will go down that badly.0 -
At least she didn't slide under the podium and refuse to come out
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I don't know. Sometimes these things can go either way.FrancisUrquhart said:How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?
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Well the initial headlines from the Tory supporting newspapers aren't good. Mail and Telegraph very negative.Slackbladder said:
I don't know. Sometimes these things can go either way.FrancisUrquhart said:How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?
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I suppose 'EVERY' could fall off too.Scott_P said:0 -
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I suspect this won't be too long an ovation, I'd think May will want to get off stage ASAP.0
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Complete disaster.0
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They want May out though and have since the election.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the initial headlines from the Tory supporting newspapers aren't good. Mail and Telegraph very negative.Slackbladder said:
I don't know. Sometimes these things can go either way.FrancisUrquhart said:How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?
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May out and ovation over already. Not surprised. No IDS comparison there.0
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My stopwatch says the standing ovation lasted for 1 minute 55 seconds0
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This picture says it all, the F fell down during her speech
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Not watching but if Big g on here as gone AWOL it can not be counted as a success.jonny83 said:Closing part of the speech talking about she doesn't give up, doesn't back down, keeps fighting. And you saw proof of that today with the heckler and the voice trouble.
For some, no clue how many I don't think today will go down that badly.0 -
Yup, she should sack Boris and make Osborne Foreign Secretary.Richard_Nabavi said:Hello hello, a plug for Osborne?
Would suit Boris, he wants to earn more money and I hear the Editorship of The Evening Standard pays very well.0 -
The only option to replace her would be a coronation unless they want to put Brexit in doubt.0
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Centrica down 6%, SSE down 3%0
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Spectacle of a sitting PM almost crying in despair as she finishes her conference speech. She will be lucky not to face a challenge by tea time.0
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Worst conference speech by a prime minister ever.0
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Don't you think she sounds tired?0
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Haven't been paying much attention to UK politics lately but apparently it's the last season of Great Britain and everyone knows they've kind of run out of ideas and it's all over0
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I am a (non Corbynista) Labour supporter and no Tory, but there is a human angle to the May saga. To have a cold and lose her voice in the middle of the most important -and humiliating -speech of her career, deserves a little bit of human sympathy.
She was lucky in that the guy who handed her the P45 looks like a complete nerd, and look like the kind of twatty person who would sing "O Jeremy Corbyn" (even if he was in reality a Tory).
May's premiership will go down as one of the great political tragedies similar to Eden's 1956-7 and Brown's 2007-10.
She will of course not last, nor should she, -but I feel one feel a little sorry for her.0 -
So she wants to build more council housing.
How's about relaxing the planning laws so individuals can build their own homes at affordable prices? Instead of building massive sink estates that breed poverty and crime.
These are the Tories right?0 -
We’ve need a Maggie but have a Brown. Enough. The country needs someone who can lead and communicate with people. She can’t. Go now.0
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Have you gone off TM yet?Richard_Nabavi said:Centrica down 6%, SSE down 3%
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Telegraph is already in the tank for Boris, so not surprising.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the initial headlines from the Tory supporting newspapers aren't good. Mail and Telegraph very negative.Slackbladder said:
I don't know. Sometimes these things can go either way.FrancisUrquhart said:How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?
She needs to do a Howard. Sack everyone in the cabinet from the 2005 intake and earlier and appoint a new team of hungry rookies.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, she should sack Boris and make Osborne Foreign Secretary.Richard_Nabavi said:Hello hello, a plug for Osborne?
Would suit Boris, he wants to earn more money and I hear the Editorship of The Evening Standard pays very well.
Lord Osborne for FCO obviously.
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fpt;
FWIW, personally, I'm a fan of her new policy direction.Pong said:
To her plotters is does.nielh said:I think you all need to chill out about the cough. It won't matter.
They don't need an excuse any more.
"She's not up to it"
Who can disagree?
The last thing the right want is a tory majority government building loads of council houses and cancelling student loans and race audits etc etc.
But I recon ~75% chance this disaster of a speech has sealed her fate.
"STRONG AND STABLE" FFS?
Crosby Textor are a joke of a PR agency. The tories should sue them for incompetence. Is that possible?0 -
Mike said "Very few young people in the audience"
A couple of months ago I attended an event at the local Conservative Club. The only people younger than me were the bar staff. Everyone else was in their mid-60s or later.
They definitely have an age-profile issue.0 -
Given Brexit talks on trade are unlikely to start this year, and the outstanding A50 issues are already being heavily worked on both sides by civil servants and negotiators, I'd argue there is a window this month for a swift defenestration.
There is no room for a party members vote. It would have to be as it was last July.0 -
I apologise to the voters of West Yorkshire who in 2015 I told that Ed Miliband's energy policies would be disastrous and voting Tory would be the only way to stop such nonsense.
I didn't mean to mislead you.0 -
I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.0
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Can't see them agreeing on one person.williamglenn said:The only option to replace her would be a coronation unless they want to put Brexit in doubt.
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Dunno. You tend to get students and the very young 20-something aspiring researchers and bag-carriers.Beverley_C said:Mike said "Very few young people in the audience"
A couple of months ago I attended an event at the local Conservative Club. The only people younger than me were the bar staff. Everyone else was in their mid-60s or later.
They definitely have an age-profile issue.
Then, a big gap until the 60s.
It's those from aged 30-55 they have a problem with.0 -
DIES has dropped off the bottom.Scott_P said:0 -
Yes indeed. That combined with the P45 and the letter falling off the wall behind her makes her look gaffe-prone. It will not help.stevef said:I am a (non Corbynista) Labour supporter and no Tory, but there is a human angle to the May saga. To have a cold and lose her voice in the middle of the most important -and humiliating -speech of her career, deserves a little bit of human sympathy.
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but I feel one feel a little sorry for her.
Her health is reportedly not good and I am sure that being PM is not helping.0 -
Churchill sometimes had coughing fits in the middle of his wartime speeches.....but the similarity between May and Clinton is a bit ominous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H133cTro1NQ0 -
... and apparently now have only the third largest party membership.Beverley_C said:Mike said "Very few young people in the audience"
A couple of months ago I attended an event at the local Conservative Club. The only people younger than me were the bar staff. Everyone else was in their mid-60s or later.
They definitely have an age-profile issue.0 -
They're not going to do it, they know the voters hate freedom.CopperSulphate said:So she wants to build more council housing.
How's about relaxing the planning laws so individuals can build their own homes at affordable prices? Instead of building massive sink estates that breed poverty and crime.
These are the Tories right?0 -
Indeed, even I felt sorry for her, and admired her stoicism, and that's after she made a joke about George Osborne CH, pbuh.JohnO said:I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.
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Hopefully we won't see May being bundled into a van this afternoon.stevef said:Churchill sometimes had coughing fits in the middle of his wartime speeches.....but the similarity between May and Clinton is a bit ominous
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Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?
The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.
But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.0 -
https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/915548403697963013
Also there are no American tanks in Baghdad.0 -
Does a cough matter? No, ... but it was not her cough that let her down, it was her reaction to the coughing that let her down. She realised that another chance to grab the reins was going begging, and we could all see it.
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Big G present and correct and content with her speech.Yorkcity said:
Not watching but if Big g on here as gone AWOL it can not be counted as a success.jonny83 said:Closing part of the speech talking about she doesn't give up, doesn't back down, keeps fighting. And you saw proof of that today with the heckler and the voice trouble.
For some, no clue how many I don't think today will go down that badly.
I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.
A lot depends on the media coverage but she is going nowhere as I have maintained all along
I do understand that those non conservative supporters are straining every tissue to see her go in the hope for a GE and a labour government but the comservative party will not open that door0 -
Oh, it would have been so much better to have him inside the tent.Scott_P said:
Even if he would then have been a rival.0 -
From a personal point of view, of course any sentient being will feel sympathy for Theresa May, and not just because of today; it must have been absolutely devastating for her to see what a gigantic screw-up she had made at the GE. However, sympathy doesn't usually translate into votes, normally it's the other way round.
Perhaps more apposite is the reflection on to Boris. I have a feeling this won't help him.0 -
Have to say I feel very sorry for Tezzy but that's not really a good place to be for a PM. Too many memories of the quiet man speech. She'll probably hang on for now but the Cons might try and replace her next summer.0
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Coughing or not she is still a rubbish PM devoid of even the most basic political skills.JohnO said:I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.
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I can see that argument, but no I don't think so.FF43 said:Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?
The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.
But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.0 -
I think thats correct. I think her PPBs during the election campaign showed her as imperious and a Thatcher mark 11.JohnO said:I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.
The speech -and cough - showed her as human, and being bullied (the P45). I am not a Tory, but I feel very sorry for her and find her more likeable.0 -
Next summer is both too late and too early. We'll be right in the middle of EU trade negotiations.GarethoftheVale2 said:Have to say I feel very sorry for Tezzy but that's not really a good place to be for a PM. Too many memories of the quiet man speech. She'll probably hang on for now but the Cons might try and replace her next summer.
Right now although A50 has been invoked the negotiations proper haven't started yet. There is a very narrow window here or else it has to be after they're completed and a deal is ratified by all parties (too dangerous to do it before ratification is complete).0 -
@Steven_Swinford: No 10 says that Boris Johnson’s language over Libya corpses was not ‘appropriate’0
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Inspiring speech
From an inspiring PM
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Did 'No 10' have to say anything or is this a diversionary act that also has the benefit of slapping Boris down.TheScreamingEagles said:@Steven_Swinford: No 10 says that Boris Johnson’s language over Libya corpses was not ‘appropriate’
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They could sell them off like bits of the Berlin Wall.williamglenn said:0 -
Well in fairness after the silliness of Labour literally singing corbyns name they would always have gone for less adulation, especially as it's not a celebratory time, but probably shortened even more than planned.TheScreamingEagles said:My stopwatch says the standing ovation lasted for 1 minute 55 seconds
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Northern Ireland is the sticking point, not the money or - IMHO - even the ECJ jurisdiction on its own citizens within the UK, which is solvable with a joint body.FF43 said:Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?
The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.
But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.
I agree with Richard Nabavi that's inseparable from the trade deal for the UK overall, so it really is chicken and egg.0 -
The government won't sign on the dotted line of the Withdrawal Agreement or May won't be the one doing it? The moment we exit the EU by whatever means, May will have lost her purpose. So her rivals could force the issue by pushing the crash. But if we stick around they will want the humiliation to be dumped on her, surely?logical_song said:
I can see that argument, but no I don't think so.FF43 said:Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?
The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.
But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.0 -
Agreed.Philip_Thompson said:
Next summer is both too late and too early. We'll be right in the middle of EU trade negotiations.GarethoftheVale2 said:Have to say I feel very sorry for Tezzy but that's not really a good place to be for a PM. Too many memories of the quiet man speech. She'll probably hang on for now but the Cons might try and replace her next summer.
Right now although A50 has been invoked the negotiations proper haven't started yet. There is a very narrow window here or else it has to be after they're completed and a deal is ratified by all parties (too dangerous to do it before ratification is complete).
"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well. It were done quickly"0 -
That a top politician does not know how to cope with this situation is the worrying aspect.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.
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Hang on until transition then to one of the younger figures. Go now and it's Boris and they'll probably need to change again.Philip_Thompson said:
Next summer is both too late and too early. We'll be right in the middle of EU trade negotiations.GarethoftheVale2 said:Have to say I feel very sorry for Tezzy but that's not really a good place to be for a PM. Too many memories of the quiet man speech. She'll probably hang on for now but the Cons might try and replace her next summer.
Right now although A50 has been invoked the negotiations proper haven't started yet. There is a very narrow window here or else it has to be after they're completed and a deal is ratified by all parties (too dangerous to do it before ratification is complete).0 -
Well no one is talking about housing or the excellent decision on organ donation.0
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The government's position is no physical infrastructure at all on the Irish border. If you think Northern Ireland is inseparable form the UK as a whole then that means that the government has no real intention of leaving the customs union at all.Casino_Royale said:
Northern Ireland is the sticking point, not the money or - IMHO - even the ECJ jurisdiction on its own citizens within the UK, which is solvable with a joint body.FF43 said:Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?
The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.
But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.
I agree with Richard Nabavi that's inseparable from the trade deal for the UK overall, so it really is chicken and egg.0 -
It is more muddling centrism which is not, in the long term, the right strategy. As you say, it is not in their nature. And it doesn't solve the fundamental social and economic problems. And they have no mandate or majority to pursue such any radical strategy in government.Pong said:fpt;
FWIW, personally, I'm a fan of her new policy direction.Pong said:
To her plotters is does.nielh said:I think you all need to chill out about the cough. It won't matter.
They don't need an excuse any more.
"She's not up to it"
Who can disagree?
The last thing the right want is a tory majority government building loads of council houses and cancelling student loans and race audits etc etc.
But I recon ~75% chance this disaster of a speech sealed her fate.
But the con MP's are a sane group of people, and I don't see them changing leader.
It really is a zombie government, and it could also spell the end of the conservative party. They died for Brexit!0 -
Good for youstevef said:
I think thats correct. I think her PPBs during the election campaign showed her as imperious and a Thatcher mark 11.JohnO said:I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.
The speech -and cough - showed her as human, and being bullied (the P45). I am not a Tory, but I feel very sorry for her and find her more likeable.0 -
She had 24 interviews yesterday and when you struggle with a cold and cough it is very difficult to control, believe me I have been thereeristdoof said:
That a top politician does not know how to cope with this situation is the worrying aspect.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.0 -
ALL the BBC and Daily Mail comments are around housing.TheScreamingEagles said:Well no one is talking about housing or the excellent decision on organ donation.
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The F fell off. So people can do F Off jokes. She's just given a career ending speech during which an F fell off legitimising F Off jokes. What more proof of an organising force behind the Cosmos do you need ?
It's basically poltergeist activity. The sheer Wagnerian horror of what has happened to her manifesting it's self psychokineticly. A synchronicity if ever I saw one. Jungian Karma.0 -
Ugh, Theresa May is a complete waste of time. When are the Tories going to get rid?0
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Remember - TMay has ZERO political skills. This is all about her vanity.eristdoof said:
That a top politician does not know how to cope with this situation is the worrying aspect.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.0 -
It's a good job the u of country fell off along with the o...williamglenn said:0 -
There is no hope of a coronation surely - there is too much at stake in terms of Brexit and also too much enmity. Maybe David Davis could be a Michael Howard style unity candidate - but I think it would have to go to a ballot. Two coronations in 15 months vs Corbyn with a clear member mandate would look awful.Casino_Royale said:Given Brexit talks on trade are unlikely to start this year, and the outstanding A50 issues are already being heavily worked on both sides by civil servants and negotiators, I'd argue there is a window this month for a swift defenestration.
There is no room for a party members vote. It would have to be as it was last July.
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Maybe they'd want that, but I think that it's become less feasible.FF43 said:
The government won't sign on the dotted line of the Withdrawal Agreement or May won't be the one doing it? The moment we exit the EU by whatever means, May will have lost her purpose. So her rivals could force the issue by pushing the crash. But if we stick around they will want the humiliation to be dumped on her, surely?logical_song said:
I can see that argument, but no I don't think so.FF43 said:Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?
The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.
But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.0 -
Polls reactions will be interesting (if May hangs on). They moved strongly against Hillary when she had her collapse.0
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The letters falling off the wall have to have been pre-scripted somehow. Just too perfect for words.
TM: "An image of modern Britain"
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Most people who see that along with Osborne's comment are going to assume he is the one under the stage with the saw.Scott_P said:0 -
Absolutely do feel sympathy - must have been awful. But I think most voters will feel a bit like bosses having to write a reference for someone they like who wasn't quite up to the job, "Always made every effort and gave her utmost to the task."Richard_Nabavi said:From a personal point of view, of course any sentient being will feel sympathy for Theresa May, and not just because of today; it must have been absolutely devastating for her to see what a gigantic screw-up she had made at the GE. However, sympathy doesn't usually translate into votes, normally it's the other way round.
Perhaps more apposite is the reflection on to Boris. I have a feeling this won't help him.0 -
Must have released that prior to the speech surely.williamglenn said:0 -
Perhaps he was watching Thatcher on YouTube.bigjohnowls said:
Must have released that prior to the speech surely.williamglenn said:0 -
As long as a leader looks and acts like a leader, they will be followed irrespective of how they got there. Corbyn himself proved that during the election. That he had a members' mandate was beside the point before that, when the PLP were in complete revolt against him. They shut up not when he won in 2016 (or only briefly) but when he started proving effective.brendan16 said:
There is no hope of a coronation surely - there is too much at stake in terms of Brexit and also too much enmity. Maybe David Davis could be a Michael Howard style unity candidate - but I think it would have to go to a ballot. Two coronations in 15 months vs Corbyn with a clear member mandate would look awful.Casino_Royale said:Given Brexit talks on trade are unlikely to start this year, and the outstanding A50 issues are already being heavily worked on both sides by civil servants and negotiators, I'd argue there is a window this month for a swift defenestration.
There is no room for a party members vote. It would have to be as it was last July.0 -
Or is planning for the Customs union to include NI - via some form of all Ireland structure - but not GB?williamglenn said:
The government's position is no physical infrastructure at all on the Irish border. If you think Northern Ireland is inseparable form the UK as a whole then that means that the government has no real intention of leaving the customs union at all.Casino_Royale said:
Northern Ireland is the sticking point, not the money or - IMHO - even the ECJ jurisdiction on its own citizens within the UK, which is solvable with a joint body.FF43 said:Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?
The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.
But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.
I agree with Richard Nabavi that's inseparable from the trade deal for the UK overall, so it really is chicken and egg.
Ireland and the U.K had freedom of movement and customs controls from 1923 to 1993 so there is a sort of precedent.0 -
Once Dacre/Murdoch fully pull the plug, their readers will be educated on those policies.TheScreamingEagles said:Well no one is talking about housing or the excellent decision on organ donation.
She's going to build council houses in their gardens and take their organs.
Nasty Theresa.0 -
No-one who ends up as Prime Minister has zero political skills. (And in anticipation of the 'she blew a 20-point lead' argument, yes, she did - but then she also built it in the first place).MikeSmithson said:
Remember - TMay has ZERO political skills. This is all about her vanity.eristdoof said:
That a top politician does not know how to cope with this situation is the worrying aspect.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.0
