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Spain = EU
Catalonia = UK
(In attitude, if not physically)
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And I fly back to UK from Barcelona on the 22nd October. Maybe I need a Catalan flag and photo of Gerard PiqueRobD said:
Blimey, a UDI in western europedr_spyn said:twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/915315185644077061
Carles Puigdemont adding his bit to make the rest of the week a good time to not visit Barcelona.
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Oh indeed - if the turnout had been similar with no suppression, I wonder if they would dare declare, but given they now have very good reason why it was that low, and a reason which means queries about reliability of the turnout amounts and outcome totals seem less important, no wonder they are pushing ahead. The violent response raised the stakes, which were already pretty damn high.SandyRentool said:
The only reason the turnout wasn't higher is because of the voter suppression and intimidation from the Madrid government's stormtroopers. When you are dragged out of the polling station by your hair, it is a bit harsh to be classed as a no-show.kle4 said:
Surely the only thing that might prevent a UDI at this point is the low turnout, but on the flip side the Catalan separatists have pushed themselves and been pushed by Madrid to the point can they afford not to at least attempt to make the declaration? Sure, Spain will take away the region's autonomy, but that is surely going to have to happen whether the Catalan government UDIs or not unless Madrid has been bluffing this whole time and is about to offer a whole tranche of new powers, which seems improbable.SeanT said:
Fuck me. Imagine if the Queen did that. End of the monarchy?GIN1138 said:
This looks like it's going from bad to worse?dr_spyn said:BBC Clip of Spanish King's Speech.
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/915292710667350016
And it's not like the Spanish monarchy is massively ancient and widely respected (like the British monarchy). It isn't. It's barely 40 years old, suffered a recent abdication, and is seen by many Spaniards as irrelevant, parasitic or downright venal.
This is not how you DO Constitutional Monarchy.
Spain is headed for a huge crisis.0 -
I have a relative who is (planning on) going to Barcelona this weekendBig_G_NorthWales said:
And I fly back to UK from Barcelona on the 22nd October. Maybe I need a Catalan flag and photo of Gerard PiqueRobD said:
Blimey, a UDI in western europedr_spyn said:twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/915315185644077061
Carles Puigdemont adding his bit to make the rest of the week a good time to not visit Barcelona. 0 -
Reports from the airport yesterday was that they were just waving passengers throughRobD said:
I have a relative who is (planning on) going to Barcelona this weekendBig_G_NorthWales said:
And I fly back to UK from Barcelona on the 22nd October. Maybe I need a Catalan flag and photo of Gerard PiqueRobD said:
Blimey, a UDI in western europedr_spyn said:twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/915315185644077061
Carles Puigdemont adding his bit to make the rest of the week a good time to not visit Barcelona.0 -
Its not true about oysters as an aphrodisiac. I had a dozen the other night and only eight worked..SeanT said:
My 22 year old wife has insisted we go for oysters and champagne. Quite stridently.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://youtu.be/Lj-9lSEBBm0SeanT said:I just got paid an UNEXPECTED £63,000
Plop. 63 grand. In my account, to my total surprise. Turns out it is recent royalties for S K Tremayne in Germany (I had no idea the Fire Child was such a hit there).
I tell you, if you want intermittent, sporadic but quite intense highs, then write a book that Does Well In Foreign Parts.
There is nothing, outwith the sexual act, that is as purely, purely pleasurable as unexpected foreign royalties. It's better than winning the lottery, because that is just luck, and you played no part in it.
I'm having a nice glass of wine from a pleasant part of the EU, to celebrate.0 -
Regarding UC. It was obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of reality that 6 weeks is long enough to reduce people to starvation and all the mental and physical consequences that provides. And there is a mass of evidence of the punitive damage being done to the people this supposedly helps.
And they have chosen to continue anyway. Perhaps the Tory ministers didn't understand the brief - which makes them grossly incompetent. Perhaps they simply don't give a fuck about poor people. Perhaps both. Either way, they deserve a long period in opposition to rediscover their principles0 -
You have not been listening or maybe you do not want to. The Government announced today big changes to the payments including immediate in hardship cases.RochdalePioneers said:Regarding UC. It was obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of reality that 6 weeks is long enough to reduce people to starvation and all the mental and physical consequences that provides. And there is a mass of evidence of the punitive damage being done to the people this supposedly helps.
And they have chosen to continue anyway. Perhaps the Tory ministers didn't understand the brief - which makes them grossly incompetent. Perhaps they simply don't give a fuck about poor people. Perhaps both. Either way, they deserve a long period in opposition to rediscover their principles
But that does not fit your narrative0 -
Either it requires overwhelming support, or else, ruthless terror.TheWhiteRabbit said:0 -
Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/0 -
Out of the May frying pan-into the Johnson fire.0
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I blame the whole UC debacle on ideological purism. I appreciate that some measures have been announced today but it is too little too late. UC is a failure on several levels for instance paying Housing Benefit to the claimant rather than the Landlord complicates the claimants life for no reason what so ever. You have to remember that some of the people who will be moved onto UC have difficulty budgeting or don't even have a bank account to then pay the landlord. People on ESA as well as JSA will be transferred and paid monthly, saying they can have money advanced if in hardship complicates peoples lives again for no other reason than ideology. They will then have to pay the money back again or have it deducted. How on earth can this be deemed to helping them I do not know. To my mind UC has failed and should be scrapped, why does it help claimants on ESA with severe and enduring conditions who are not fit for work to be transferred to this system? I really don't understand why UC is being rolled out further, especially when it clearly is not fit for purpose. IDS is yesterdays news and this stupid system that creates hardship should be buried with IDS's political corpse.RochdalePioneers said:Regarding UC. It was obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of reality that 6 weeks is long enough to reduce people to starvation and all the mental and physical consequences that provides. And there is a mass of evidence of the punitive damage being done to the people this supposedly helps.
And they have chosen to continue anyway. Perhaps the Tory ministers didn't understand the brief - which makes them grossly incompetent. Perhaps they simply don't give a fuck about poor people. Perhaps both. Either way, they deserve a long period in opposition to rediscover their principles0 -
It exactly fits the narrative. Are they doing it because it's right? Because they have come to that opinion out of decency? Or because they see the tide of public opinion receding and needing to catch up. And now they're backtracking on this how about on the disability "reviews" from non-qualified "medical assesors"? Aside from the damage to the disabled people, it costs the taxpayer in appeal after appeal after appeal that overturns the decision to take away their wheelchair, their carer, their independence, their dignity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You have not been listening or maybe you do not want to. The Government announced today big changes to the payments including immediate in hardship cases.RochdalePioneers said:Regarding UC. It was obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of reality that 6 weeks is long enough to reduce people to starvation and all the mental and physical consequences that provides. And there is a mass of evidence of the punitive damage being done to the people this supposedly helps.
And they have chosen to continue anyway. Perhaps the Tory ministers didn't understand the brief - which makes them grossly incompetent. Perhaps they simply don't give a fuck about poor people. Perhaps both. Either way, they deserve a long period in opposition to rediscover their principles
But that does not fit your narrative
Again, it's unnecessary brutality from a party that doesn't give a toss.0 -
University Maintenance Grants to be re-instated.
Wonder if May will announce it tomorrow0 -
Just ran the numbers, if that 25k goes up by inflation or wage inflation YoY then the deal is basically the new triple lock for students. In real terms I think it is even better than a 0 tuition fee, 0 loan deal for most students...0
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Your ideological purism is another man's helping hand to those who need it.The_Taxman said:
I blame the whole UC debacle on ideological purism. I appreciate that some measures have been announced today but it is too little too late. UC is a failure on several levels for instance paying Housing Benefit to the claimant rather than the Landlord complicates the claimants life for no reason what so ever. You have to remember that some of the people who will be moved onto UC have difficulty budgeting or don't even have a bank account to then pay the landlord. People on ESA as well as JSA will be transferred and paid monthly, saying they can have money advanced if in hardship complicates peoples lives again for no other reason than ideology. They will then have to pay the money back again or have it deducted. How on earth can this be deemed to helping them I do not know. To my mind UC has failed and should be scrapped, why does it help claimants on ESA with severe and enduring conditions who are not fit for work to be transferred to this system? I really don't understand why UC is being rolled out further, especially when it clearly is not fit for purpose. IDS is yesterdays news and this stupid system that creates hardship should be buried with IDS's political corpse.RochdalePioneers said:Regarding UC. It was obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of reality that 6 weeks is long enough to reduce people to starvation and all the mental and physical consequences that provides. And there is a mass of evidence of the punitive damage being done to the people this supposedly helps.
And they have chosen to continue anyway. Perhaps the Tory ministers didn't understand the brief - which makes them grossly incompetent. Perhaps they simply don't give a fuck about poor people. Perhaps both. Either way, they deserve a long period in opposition to rediscover their principles
The current system has clearly failed - dependence on welfare, especially
Housing benefit, is not positive for individuals or society.0 -
Not going to happen. Role out continues after problems addressed by the government today.The_Taxman said:
I blame the whole UC debacle on ideological purism. I appreciate that some measures have been announced today but it is too little too late. UC is a failure on several levels for instance paying Housing Benefit to the claimant rather than the Landlord complicates the claimants life for no reason what so ever. You have to remember that some of the people who will be moved onto UC have difficulty budgeting or don't even have a bank account to then pay the landlord. People on ESA as well as JSA will be transferred and paid monthly, saying they can have money advanced if in hardship complicates peoples lives again for no other reason than ideology. They will then have to pay the money back again or have it deducted. How on earth can this be deemed to helping them I do not know. To my mind UC has failed and should be scrapped, why does it help claimants on ESA with severe and enduring conditions who are not fit for work to be transferred to this system? I really don't understand why UC is being rolled out further, especially when it clearly is not fit for purpose. IDS is yesterdays news and this stupid system that creates hardship should be buried with IDS's political corpse.RochdalePioneers said:Regarding UC. It was obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of reality that 6 weeks is long enough to reduce people to starvation and all the mental and physical consequences that provides. And there is a mass of evidence of the punitive damage being done to the people this supposedly helps.
And they have chosen to continue anyway. Perhaps the Tory ministers didn't understand the brief - which makes them grossly incompetent. Perhaps they simply don't give a fuck about poor people. Perhaps both. Either way, they deserve a long period in opposition to rediscover their principles
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https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/915269302554591233Casino_Royale said:
She's too busy in China opening new pork markets to be leader.Elliot said:
Liz Truss and Dominic Raab come across as the most normal yet credible leaders to me.rcs1000 said:
Or Kwarteng,Richard_Tyndall said:
Nah. Even I agree with you and, his religious views apart, I do like JRM. But he shouldn't getvwithim a hundred miles of being PM.SouthamObserver said:
Feel free to ignore me. I could be wrong. It could be that voters are desperate for someone to the right of Margaret Thatcher with social views anchored very firmly in the 1950s.
I would still like David Davis but accept he is not likely to get the job either by choice or because he cannot enthuse the Tory party.
Otherwise I think they should be looking to bypass all of the current crop of hopefuls. They all have significant faults. Instead they should be looking to the younger generation. Someone like Mercer or Stewart could reinvigorate the party and the electorate.
But it has to be the Next Generation.
*Grins*
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With that and the new threshold, we're basically back to the old taxpayer funded system.Big_G_NorthWales said:University Maintenance Grants to be re-instated.
Wonder if May will announce it tomorrow0 -
Probably with a bit of the old fiscal drag coming later to pay for all this.Big_G_NorthWales said:University Maintenance Grants to be re-instated.
Wonder if May will announce it tomorrow0 -
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/0 -
R> @RochdalePioneers They are also using migration to introduce the ' waiting days ' to housing costs for some claimants for the first time. The legal threshold for a landlord to start possession proceedings for arrears is 56 days. So if you add the paid 4 weeks in arrears and assessment period together everyone is one DWP cock up away from eviction proceedings.For those claimants who then have 7 additional " waiting days " as well the slack is even less.
At best all of this just shoves additional administrative costs on Landlord, advice services and courts before payment comes through and arrears are cleared. But in some cases Ben a basic DWP delay let alone a major one will get folk evicted.
All this in a country where " No Sufis " on a rental Ad is illegal but ' no DSS ' isn't. It's just one more reason for PRS landless not to take UC claimants as tenants. Which takes us back to Osborne Vs IDS. Many of the most objectionable aspects of UC are nothing to do with UC per se but the fact UC is being used to implement big benefit cuts for new claimants.0 -
And ends Corbyn's largessePulpstar said:
With that and the new threshold, we're basically back to the old taxpayer funded system.Big_G_NorthWales said:University Maintenance Grants to be re-instated.
Wonder if May will announce it tomorrow0 -
If it is 4 and a half years to the next election why did Hammond prattle on about Corbyn and Venezuela instead of laying out his own vision for the British economy for the next 4 years?steve_garner said:The absolute certainty of some posters on here that the Tories are hopeless and doomed is somewhat hubristic given that they may have to wait another 4 and half years to find out for sure. Who knows what events will occur in the intervening period?
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Just seen the photos of shooter / room. There looks like there is a note on a table next to his body.0
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Leaving that to Theresa May tomorrow.No_Offence_Alan said:
If it is 4 and a half years to the next election why did Hammond prattle on about Corbyn and Venezuela instead of laying out his own vision for the British economy for the next 4 years?steve_garner said:The absolute certainty of some posters on here that the Tories are hopeless and doomed is somewhat hubristic given that they may have to wait another 4 and half years to find out for sure. Who knows what events will occur in the intervening period?
It is a very big speech for her and expect some rabbits out of the hat0 -
It would make a change from rabbits in headlightsBig_G_NorthWales said:
Leaving that to Theresa May tomorrow.No_Offence_Alan said:
If it is 4 and a half years to the next election why did Hammond prattle on about Corbyn and Venezuela instead of laying out his own vision for the British economy for the next 4 years?steve_garner said:The absolute certainty of some posters on here that the Tories are hopeless and doomed is somewhat hubristic given that they may have to wait another 4 and half years to find out for sure. Who knows what events will occur in the intervening period?
It is a very big speech for her and expect some rabbits out of the hat
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Because both sides are trying to both rewrite and re-fight the last electionNo_Offence_Alan said:
If it is 4 and a half years to the next election why did Hammond prattle on about Corbyn and Venezuela instead of laying out his own vision for the British economy for the next 4 years?steve_garner said:The absolute certainty of some posters on here that the Tories are hopeless and doomed is somewhat hubristic given that they may have to wait another 4 and half years to find out for sure. Who knows what events will occur in the intervening period?
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Those would be the days when centrist dad was the kind of voter people wanted to attract rather than label them as filth.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/0 -
I like that Ben, fair playBenpointer said:
It would make a change from rabbits in headlightsBig_G_NorthWales said:
Leaving that to Theresa May tomorrow.No_Offence_Alan said:
If it is 4 and a half years to the next election why did Hammond prattle on about Corbyn and Venezuela instead of laying out his own vision for the British economy for the next 4 years?steve_garner said:The absolute certainty of some posters on here that the Tories are hopeless and doomed is somewhat hubristic given that they may have to wait another 4 and half years to find out for sure. Who knows what events will occur in the intervening period?
It is a very big speech for her and expect some rabbits out of the hat0 -
Good enough reason to give him a P45. The over 60s may not change their views on Corbyn, but Hammond has to encourage the under 60s to vote for his lot. Why waste time preaching to the converted?No_Offence_Alan said:
If it is 4 and a half years to the next election why did Hammond prattle on about Corbyn and Venezuela instead of laying out his own vision for the British economy for the next 4 years?steve_garner said:The absolute certainty of some posters on here that the Tories are hopeless and doomed is somewhat hubristic given that they may have to wait another 4 and half years to find out for sure. Who knows what events will occur in the intervening period?
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The last sentence is damning for Osborne. He was eventually schooled in politics and the right thing to do by IDS.YellowSubmarine said:R> @RochdalePioneers They are also using migration to introduce the ' waiting days ' to housing costs for some claimants for the first time. The legal threshold for a landlord to start possession proceedings for arrears is 56 days. So if you add the paid 4 weeks in arrears and assessment period together everyone is one DWP cock up away from eviction proceedings.For those claimants who then have 7 additional " waiting days " as well the slack is even less.
At best all of this just shoves additional administrative costs on Landlord, advice services and courts before payment comes through and arrears are cleared. But in some cases Ben a basic DWP delay let alone a major one will get folk evicted.
All this in a country where " No Sufis " on a rental Ad is illegal but ' no DSS ' isn't. It's just one more reason for PRS landless not to take UC claimants as tenants. Which takes us back to Osborne Vs IDS. Many of the most objectionable aspects of UC are nothing to do with UC per se but the fact UC is being used to implement big benefit cuts for new claimants.
What a plonker.0 -
My advice to anyone wishing to be a landlord is ....... Don't.YellowSubmarine said:R> @RochdalePioneers They are also using migration to introduce the ' waiting days ' to housing costs for some claimants for the first time. The legal threshold for a landlord to start possession proceedings for arrears is 56 days. So if you add the paid 4 weeks in arrears and assessment period together everyone is one DWP cock up away from eviction proceedings.For those claimants who then have 7 additional " waiting days " as well the slack is even less.
At best all of this just shoves additional administrative costs on Landlord, advice services and courts before payment comes through and arrears are cleared. But in some cases Ben a basic DWP delay let alone a major one will get folk evicted.
All this in a country where " No Sufis " on a rental Ad is illegal but ' no DSS ' isn't. It's just one more reason for PRS landless not to take UC claimants as tenants. Which takes us back to Osborne Vs IDS. Many of the most objectionable aspects of UC are nothing to do with UC per se but the fact UC is being used to implement big benefit cuts for new claimants.
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What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/0 -
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The other issue on UC is timing. When the government pencilled in this Blitzkrieg on migration it thought it would be mid term and the screaming would have stopped by the time it faced a useless Corbyn in 2020. Now it's happening against the back drop of the lost majority and collapse in authority. But additionally in the context of the astonishing transmutation of Corbyn. The treatment of those UC claimants who are in work will chime with the Corbyn surge in a way almost noone could have predicted. And Tory backbenchers who's surgeries will be inundated will view the issue with different eyes.0
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No we're not as graduates will still face a 9% increase in their tax bill if they earn more than the threshold!Pulpstar said:
With that and the new threshold, we're basically back to the old taxpayer funded system.Big_G_NorthWales said:University Maintenance Grants to be re-instated.
Wonder if May will announce it tomorrow
A doctor or teacher will be on a 9% higher tax rate than a plumber or electrician.0 -
Some people are not capable of work, I really don't think UC is appropriate to severely disabled people. I am a political centrist not a purist. The Tory right are obsessed by benefits, the chancellor in the last 24 hours said the UK has a sound and fundamentally strong economy. The UK is also a rich country yet we cannot afford to look after the poor apparently and need to encourage even those medically unfit for work to do so. There is a strong smell surrounding this and it is not just the hypocrisy of politicians who advocate the demonization of the poor whilst receiving pay rises other public servants can only dream about.Mortimer said:
Your ideological purism is another man's helping hand to those who need it.The_Taxman said:
I blame the whole UC debacle on ideological purism. I appreciate that some measures have been announced today but it is too little too late. UC is a failure on several levels for instance paying Housing Benefit to the claimant rather than the Landlord complicates the claimants life for no reason what so ever. You have to remember that some of the people who will be moved onto UC have difficulty budgeting or don't even have a bank account to then pay the landlord. People on ESA as well as JSA will be transferred and paid monthly, saying they can have money advanced if in hardship complicates peoples lives again for no other reason than ideology. They will then have to pay the money back again or have it deducted. How on earth can this be deemed to helping them I do not know. To my mind UC has failed and should be scrapped, why does it help claimants on ESA with severe and enduring conditions who are not fit for work to be transferred to this system? I really don't understand why UC is being rolled out further, especially when it clearly is not fit for purpose. IDS is yesterdays news and this stupid system that creates hardship should be buried with IDS's political corpse.RochdalePioneers said:Regarding UC. It was obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of reality that 6 weeks is long enough to reduce people to starvation and all the mental and physical consequences that provides. And there is a mass of evidence of the punitive damage being done to the people this supposedly helps.
And they have chosen to continue anyway. Perhaps the Tory ministers didn't understand the brief - which makes them grossly incompetent. Perhaps they simply don't give a fuck about poor people. Perhaps both. Either way, they deserve a long period in opposition to rediscover their principles
The current system has clearly failed - dependence on welfare, especially
Housing benefit, is not positive for individuals or society.
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She is from the left of the party and hates BorisScott_P said:0 -
If something has to be your business in order to offer an opinion this place is going to get awful quiet.FrancisUrquhart said:What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.
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I've never understood why she joined the Conservatives.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is from the left of the party and hates BorisScott_P said:0 -
May is more a deputy head trying to run an assembly, but still out of her depth.SeanT said:TMay comes across as a minor shadow minister who is already out of her depth.
Get rid. Enough. Install Boris. If he's a disaster, replace with a new gen MP in 2019.
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One suspects if she was in a slightly less rock-solid Tory seat, she would've defected to the Lib Dems or Labour a while ago.Sean_F said:
I've never understood why she joined the Conservatives.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is from the left of the party and hates BorisScott_P said:0 -
I wonder how they are going to police it.Beverley_C said:
What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/0 -
No, I mean what you see as ideological purism others see as pragmatic.The_Taxman said:
Some people are not capable of work, I really don't think UC is appropriate to severely disabled people. I am a political centrist not a purist. The Tory right are obsessed by benefits, the chancellor in the last 24 hours said the UK has a sound and fundamentally strong economy. The UK is also a rich country yet we cannot afford to look after the poor apparently and need to encourage even those medically unfit for work to do so. There is a strong smell surrounding this and it is not just the hypocrisy of politicians who advocate the demonization of the poor whilst receiving pay rises other public servants can only dream about.Mortimer said:
Your ideological purism is another man's helping hand to those who need it.The_Taxman said:
I blame the whole UC debacle on ideological purism. I appreciate that some measures have been announced today but it is too little too late. UC is a failure on several levels for instance paying Housing Benefit to the claimant rather than the Landlord complicates the claimants life for no reason what so ever. You have to remember that some of the people who will be moved onto UC have difficulty budgeting or don't even have a bank account to then pay the landlord. People on ESA as well as JSA will be transferred and paid monthly, saying they can have money advanced if in hardship complicates peoples lives again for no other reason than ideology. They will then have to pay the money back again or have it deducted. How on earth can this be deemed to helping them I do not know. To my mind UC has failed and should be scrapped, why does it help claimants on ESA with severe and enduring conditions who are not fit for work to be transferred to this system? I really don't understand why UC is being rolled out further, especially when it clearly is not fit for purpose. IDS is yesterdays news and this stupid system that creates hardship should be buried with IDS's political corpse.RochdalePioneers said:Regarding UC. It was obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of reality that 6 weeks is long enough to reduce people to starvation and all the mental and physical consequences that provides. And there is a mass of evidence of the punitive damage being done to the people this supposedly helps.
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The current system has clearly failed - dependence on welfare, especially
Housing benefit, is not positive for individuals or society.
Centrism is not some nirvana-like state which is above ideology; it has an ideology of its own. It fetishises managerialism, media management and the introduction of far more legislation than any ideology ever encountered in this country.0 -
Lib Dems with Anna SoubryDanny565 said:
One suspects if she was in a slightly less rock-solid Tory seat, she would've defected to the Lib Dems or Labour a while ago.Sean_F said:
I've never understood why she joined the Conservatives.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is from the left of the party and hates BorisScott_P said:0 -
I'm quite happy to help police the all female colleges.RobD said:
I wonder how they are going to police it.Beverley_C said:
What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/0 -
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May lost power in June. She is soon to lose office. Destined to be one of the more tragic figures of British politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Want to bet on that?Jonathan said:
May lost power in June. She is soon to lose office. Destined to be one of the more tragic figures of British politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:
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Ha! More oppression from the patriarchy!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to help police the all female colleges.RobD said:
I wonder how they are going to police it.Beverley_C said:
What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/0 -
Already have. (the losing office part) No tragic figure betting markets sadly.Mortimer said:
Want to bet on that?Jonathan said:
May lost power in June. She is soon to lose office. Destined to be one of the more tragic figures of British politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
If the Tories had to resort to a 2nd and a 3rd leader before the next GE they would be toast at that GE for sure.SeanT said:TMay comes across as a minor shadow minister who is already out of her depth.
Get rid. Enough. Install Boris. If he's a disaster, replace with a new gen MP in 2019.0 -
Richard Nabavi will be able to tell you more, but at Oxford one of the all female colleges was known as 'virgin megastore'Beverley_C said:
Ha! More oppression from the patriarchy!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to help police the all female colleges.RobD said:
I wonder how they are going to police it.Beverley_C said:
What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/0 -
Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.0 -
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!0 -
So that'll be a no to betting with me on how long she survives, then. Got it. You're still astroturfing.Jonathan said:
Already have. (the losing office part) No tragic figure betting markets sadly.Mortimer said:
Want to bet on that?Jonathan said:
May lost power in June. She is soon to lose office. Destined to be one of the more tragic figures of British politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Good if truedr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.0 -
That sort of thing needs punishing...Beverley_C said:
Ha! More oppression from the patriarchy!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to help police the all female colleges.RobD said:
I wonder how they are going to police it.Beverley_C said:
What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/
https://youtu.be/YZtZAHPmbDc0 -
Surely Govt is missing a huge trick.
All that matters to Treasury is cash in and cash out.
But it is the CONCEPT of huge student debt that is toxic - even though most will never be repaid.
Surely they should just cancel all student debt and just have a graduate tax equal to what people are actually repaying.
When discussed the other day, it was rightly pointed out that some people would be much worse off (eg people who paid fees themselves up front etc).
So deal with that anomaly by making the change OPTIONAL - ie give graduates the option of cancelling their debt and moving to graduate tax.
But anyone who prefers to stick with the current arrangement can.
It would cost the Treasury zero (or at least close to zero) but would surely be a massive political win.0 -
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?0 -
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/12/jeremy-corbyn-is-becoming-a-very-confident-and-assured-politician/foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?0 -
Yeah, fair point... nothing's 'for sure' these days.SeanT said:
Really? Who the F knows anymore. Labour have been reborn under.... Corbyn.Benpointer said:
If the Tories had to resort to a 2nd and a 3rd leader before the next GE they would be toast at that GE for sure.SeanT said:TMay comes across as a minor shadow minister who is already out of her depth.
Get rid. Enough. Install Boris. If he's a disaster, replace with a new gen MP in 2019.
The Republicans won under.... Trump.
Macron started an entirely new party and won the French presidency and the French parliament.
Relying on received political wisdom seems, to me, to be an unreliable method in western democracies in the new and profound era of Western Secular Decline (which is where we are).
(I still think 3 PMs between GEs would look pretty pathetic, both for the country and the party.)0 -
who went gaga and got booted out by her partyMortimer said:
You throw around Thatcher as an insult. She was an unbeaten election winner.SouthamObserver said:
Feel free to ignore me. I could be wrong. It could be that voters are desperate for someone to the right of Margaret Thatcher with social views anchored very firmly in the 1950s.0 -
That only cost a billion - not peanuts, but as the price, in theory, for a stablish government for 5 years, it wouldn't be bad. It's all the other stuff that's more problematic.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
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I'm inclined to agree - unless the third one was a game changer, odds are it would just add to the chaos, confusion and dispiriting of the Tory base I suspect. Better to try one more out.Benpointer said:
Yeah, fair point... nothing's 'for sure' these days.SeanT said:
Really? Who the F knows anymore. Labour have been reborn under.... Corbyn.Benpointer said:
If the Tories had to resort to a 2nd and a 3rd leader before the next GE they would be toast at that GE for sure.SeanT said:TMay comes across as a minor shadow minister who is already out of her depth.
Get rid. Enough. Install Boris. If he's a disaster, replace with a new gen MP in 2019.
The Republicans won under.... Trump.
Macron started an entirely new party and won the French presidency and the French parliament.
Relying on received political wisdom seems, to me, to be an unreliable method in western democracies in the new and profound era of Western Secular Decline (which is where we are).
(I still think 3 PMs between GEs would look pretty pathetic, both for the country and the party.)
I do think the Tories need to be resigned to being behind in the polls for some while - had we not had an election, in mid term we'd have been expecting that would we not? Keep plugging away, and then hope the government manages something decent from a brexit deal - winning an election 10-12 years would always be hard, and a brexit so successful to make that probable will be very hard, but is their best hope - anyone angry about austerity is going to carry that through til the next election anyway, that battle can only be mitigated against, not won.0 -
Sun hints on Council Housing.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4606167/theresa-may-council-houses-announcement/0 -
I'm afraid I do have to ask this, but did Gove actually say that about pig's ears? Sorry, but normally I would just ignore it, but this week seems to be a Charles Dodgson fantasy gone mad!foxinsoxuk said:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/915269302554591233Casino_Royale said:
She's too busy in China opening new pork markets to be leader.Elliot said:
Liz Truss and Dominic Raab come across as the most normal yet credible leaders to me.rcs1000 said:
Or Kwarteng,Richard_Tyndall said:
Nah. Even I agree with you and, his religious views apart, I do like JRM. But he shouldn't getvwithim a hundred miles of being PM.SouthamObserver said:
Feel free to ignore me. I could be wrong. It could be that voters are desperate for someone to the right of Margaret Thatcher with social views anchored very firmly in the 1950s.
I would still like David Davis but accept he is not likely to get the job either by choice or because he cannot enthuse the Tory party.
Otherwise I think they should be looking to bypass all of the current crop of hopefuls. They all have significant faults. Instead they should be looking to the younger generation. Someone like Mercer or Stewart could reinvigorate the party and the electorate.
But it has to be the Next Generation.
*Grins*0 -
Yep. This would be very sensible.MikeL said:Surely Govt is missing a huge trick.
All that matters to Treasury is cash in and cash out.
But it is the CONCEPT of huge student debt that is toxic - even though most will never be repaid.
Surely they should just cancel all student debt and just have a graduate tax equal to what people are actually repaying.
When discussed the other day, it was rightly pointed out that some people would be much worse off (eg people who paid fees themselves up front etc).
So deal with that anomaly by making the change OPTIONAL - ie give graduates the option of cancelling their debt and moving to graduate tax.
But anyone who prefers to stick with the current arrangement can.
It would cost the Treasury zero (or at least close to zero) but would surely be a massive political win.0 -
No one seems to have noticed the signs of Spanish government contingency plans to take direct control of the Catalonia region. When you have military units being tagged to role 'in support of the civil authorities' and military police units being readied to move to neighboring Aragon, its clear they have some sort of back pocket plan. .0
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Well ... yes... I mean... Michael Palin??!!????foxinsoxuk said:
That sort of thing needs punishing...Beverley_C said:
Ha! More oppression from the patriarchy!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to help police the all female colleges.RobD said:
I wonder how they are going to police it.Beverley_C said:
What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/
youtu.be/YZtZAHPmbDc
Now, if it was Karl Urban.. Ooo la la !!
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Good grief.Y0kel said:No one seems to have noticed the signs of Spanish government contingency plans to take direct control of the Catalonia region. When you have military units being tagged to role 'in support of the civil authorities' and military police units being readied to move to neighboring Aragon, its clear they have some sort of back pocket plan. .
That is going to get ugly if the case...0 -
Indeed, how do all the PB tories feel about TM implementing the Labour manifesto, I wonder?foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?0 -
How can the Tories survive more "victories" like June?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/12/jeremy-corbyn-is-becoming-a-very-confident-and-assured-politician/foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?0 -
I suspect hung parliaments are a feature of our electoral landscape until things become less polarised.foxinsoxuk said:
How can the Tories survive more "victories" like June?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/12/jeremy-corbyn-is-becoming-a-very-confident-and-assured-politician/foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?0 -
Bl**dy dark blue misogynists!! It is a disgrace!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
Richard Nabavi will be able to tell you more, but at Oxford one of the all female colleges was known as 'virgin megastore'Beverley_C said:
Ha! More oppression from the patriarchy!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm quite happy to help police the all female colleges.RobD said:
I wonder how they are going to police it.Beverley_C said:
What makes it any of Greer's business? It is a matter for the college and the students.glw said:
Remember the old days when people thought Greer was mad?FrancisUrquhart said:Germaine Greer is going to have the pitchfork treatment again,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/03/women-only-cambridge-college-allow-students-simply-identify/
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Unbelievable a Tory who does not look like she has been hit by a busBig_G_NorthWales said:
She is from the left of the party and hates BorisScott_P said:0 -
and under 70 years oldmalcolmg said:
Unbelievable a Tory who does not look like she has been hit by a busBig_G_NorthWales said:
She is from the left of the party and hates BorisScott_P said: 0 -
Or when Dave becomes leader again.Mortimer said:
I suspect hung parliaments are a feature of our electoral landscape until things become less polarised.foxinsoxuk said:
How can the Tories survive more "victories" like June?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/12/jeremy-corbyn-is-becoming-a-very-confident-and-assured-politician/foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?
Only Tory to win a majority in the last quarter of a century.0 -
That may be, but this latest gaffe or joke, whatever it as, by Boris is beyond bizarre. It's so extraordinary that it's not even really offensive, just utterly weird.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is from the left of the party and hates BorisScott_P said:0 -
Several resident Corbynites would like you to meet AL BlairTheScreamingEagles said:
Or when Dave becomes leader again.Mortimer said:
I suspect hung parliaments are a feature of our electoral landscape until things become less polarised.foxinsoxuk said:
How can the Tories survive more "victories" like June?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/12/jeremy-corbyn-is-becoming-a-very-confident-and-assured-politician/foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?
Only Tory to win a majority in the last quarter of a century.0 -
Finally a sensible policy focusing on actually building affordable housing rather than help to buy which just increases prices by 20-40 per cent and makes developers richer but young people either even more indebted (if they can stretch to a £500k one bed new build in Harlesden) or if not then even more priced out!dr_spyn said:Sun hints on Council Housing.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4606167/theresa-may-council-houses-announcement/
If people are going to have to rent for the rest of their lives at least they should have security of tenure - not living at constant risk of homelessness at two months notice if their landlord wants to jack up the rent or sell. A truly shocking situation for young families in particular who have to move and find new schools etc.0 -
I would have thought more polarisation would lead to less chance of hung parliaments with our FPTP system, as the middle gets squeezed out?Mortimer said:
I suspect hung parliaments are a feature of our electoral landscape until things become less polarised.foxinsoxuk said:
How can the Tories survive more "victories" like June?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/12/jeremy-corbyn-is-becoming-a-very-confident-and-assured-politician/foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?0 -
Except he wouldn't come back to parliament unless he could be leader, I would guess, and he couldn't be leader unless an MP, realistically.TheScreamingEagles said:
Or when Dave becomes leader again.Mortimer said:
I suspect hung parliaments are a feature of our electoral landscape until things become less polarised.foxinsoxuk said:
How can the Tories survive more "victories" like June?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/12/jeremy-corbyn-is-becoming-a-very-confident-and-assured-politician/foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?
Only Tory to win a majority in the last quarter of a century.
I'd like to see a former PM serve in the cabinet of a successor - when was the last time it happened? Even if it wouldn't happen in the immediate aftermath, I'd have thought the benefit of our system would be being able to call upon the services of a former leader.0 -
Alec Douglas Home, he served as Foreign Secretary in Ted Heath's government.kle4 said:
Except he wouldn't come back to parliament unless he could be leader, I would guess, and he couldn't be leader unless an MP, realistically.TheScreamingEagles said:
Or when Dave becomes leader again.Mortimer said:
I suspect hung parliaments are a feature of our electoral landscape until things become less polarised.foxinsoxuk said:
How can the Tories survive more "victories" like June?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/884826906255929344?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/12/jeremy-corbyn-is-becoming-a-very-confident-and-assured-politician/foxinsoxuk said:
And cuts in tuition fees.Benpointer said:
No need - the Tories have already discovered the magic money tree for the DUP deal - just give it another shake!dr_spyn said:Sun trailing council house building programme.
Guess it will be fully costed.
Edit: The Tories championing council houses - how times change!
Remind me. Are the Tories implementing their own manifesto? or did they accidentally swap it for a spare copy of Corbyn's one?
Only Tory to win a majority in the last quarter of a century.
I'd like to see a former PM serve in the cabinet of a successor - when was the last time it happened? Even if it wouldn't happen in the immediate aftermath, I'd have thought the benefit of our system would be being able to call upon the services of a former leader.
PS - Lord Cameron as PM with George Osborne as his representative in The Commons works for me.0 -
Surely it can't be Boris. He may be a Tory, but he's no Conservative or conservative.Richard_Nabavi said:
That may be, but this latest gaffe or joke, whatever it as, by Boris is beyond bizarre. It's so extraordinary that it's not even really offensive, just utterly weird.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She is from the left of the party and hates BorisScott_P said:0 -
Yes, according to Google results for a search for pig's ear in news.OchEye said:
I'm afraid I do have to ask this, but did Gove actually say that about pig's ears? Sorry, but normally I would just ignore it, but this week seems to be a Charles Dodgson fantasy gone mad!foxinsoxuk said:
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/915269302554591233Casino_Royale said:
She's too busy in China opening new pork markets to be leader.Elliot said:
Liz Truss and Dominic Raab come across as the most normal yet credible leaders to me.rcs1000 said:
Or Kwarteng,Richard_Tyndall said:
Nah. Even I agree with you and, his religious views apart, I do like JRM. But he shouldn't getvwithim a hundred miles of being PM.SouthamObserver said:
Feel free to ignore me. I could be wrong. It could be that voters are desperate for someone to the right of Margaret Thatcher with social views anchored very firmly in the 1950s.
I would still like David Davis but accept he is not likely to get the job either by choice or because he cannot enthuse the Tory party.
Otherwise I think they should be looking to bypass all of the current crop of hopefuls. They all have significant faults. Instead they should be looking to the younger generation. Someone like Mercer or Stewart could reinvigorate the party and the electorate.
But it has to be the Next Generation.
*Grins*0 -
Is Private Eye coming out tomorrow, or will the print run be delayed until Friday?0
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Police have found even more guns at shooters other home in Reno....it sounds like he owned more guns than the number of women SeanT has bedded0
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How difficult to administer! It means a lot more people in a lot more correspondence with HMRC.Pulpstar said:
Yep. This would be very sensible.MikeL said:Surely Govt is missing a huge trick.
All that matters to Treasury is cash in and cash out.
But it is the CONCEPT of huge student debt that is toxic - even though most will never be repaid.
Surely they should just cancel all student debt and just have a graduate tax equal to what people are actually repaying.
When discussed the other day, it was rightly pointed out that some people would be much worse off (eg people who paid fees themselves up front etc).
So deal with that anomaly by making the change OPTIONAL - ie give graduates the option of cancelling their debt and moving to graduate tax.
But anyone who prefers to stick with the current arrangement can.
It would cost the Treasury zero (or at least close to zero) but would surely be a massive political win.0 -
Yes I think that was the idea , but not heard anything since he announced it , back in 2015 GE.Mortimer said:0 -
What choice do they have, if Catalonia tries to declare UDI?Y0kel said:No one seems to have noticed the signs of Spanish government contingency plans to take direct control of the Catalonia region. When you have military units being tagged to role 'in support of the civil authorities' and military police units being readied to move to neighboring Aragon, its clear they have some sort of back pocket plan. .
For that matter, how do the Catalan nationalists even think UDI would work? From an international point of view it would still be part of Spain, certainly no EU country would recognise it. If the Spanish government didn't intervene, Catalonia would be left in a legal limbo with banks not clearly able to operate (would they operate under Spanish law in this supposedly independent country?), and airlines not able to land. Even trade in goods to across the border with the EU would be in legal and regulatory limbo.0 -
Perhaps so, but if she's not jumping and Boris doing a David Miliband, they're pretty stuck - they will suffer in the polls and perhaps create an unstoppable narrative, but I think given the ructions at the top, the best option may be to get to the EU transition period, if it can be agreed, then switch to a new generation MP, a new face for a new Britain, and hope whoever that is can turn the party fortunes around.Sean_F said:
She's not up to it, sadly.SeanT said:TMay comes across as a minor shadow minister who is already out of her depth.
Get rid. Enough. Install Boris. If he's a disaster, replace with a new gen MP in 2019.
Better than flailing around with senior figures obviously loathing one another - they're certainly briefing it to journalists enough, the various camps, and the denials come across as phony as the Blair-Brown feud denials - but not strong enough to take each other on in a fight, and then one of the damaged old guard ousting May down the line.0
