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ARSE !!!!!!!!!!!

BTW Crick noting Andrea as an Italian anorak is a bit of an insult.

No self respecting young Italian male would be seen dead in an anorak, let alone want to be called one !!

Let's have a chat with PB Greens .... or as Mrs Thatcher called them the vegetables !!

Andrea may wake up with a few more twitter followers tomorrow ;p

And someone should inform Crick of AndyJS' superhuman effort in collating the candidate selection into one google doc (at least thats what I think that list of his is!)

MyBurningEars said:

Great to see some recognition for Andrea!

Just noticed a few days ago a photo of OGH with Stephen Hawking and the Clintons in the White House... assuming photoshop was not involved, what story did I miss??

My question exactly in the original thread, not sure if it was answered though.

@Neil

Thanks, will see if I can catch up with @AndyJS if I find myself in the same thread as him!

I think I'm still owed an email from @corporeal too.

Jeez. Godfrey Bloom on HIGNFY.

@RobD

I cant imagine putting a constituency bet on the next GE without consulting Andy's spreadsheets (if they cover the constituency). He deserves an honour for services to political betting!

Blimey Paul Merton's teeth need a brush

There is a fantastic excerpt in the Guardian from yesterday's hearing of the Miranda judicial review by the Divisional Court:

[Jason] Beer [QC, counsel for the Commissioner of the Police of the Metropolis] added: "The police had received a request from the security services to make the stop seem as routine as possible." Between 60,000 and 100,000 people a year are examined in port stops every year. "The definition of section one [of the Terrorism Act] is exceptionally broad … Terrorism is terrorism, whatever the motives"

At that point Mr Justice Ouseley, one of three judges considering the case, intervened to comment: "Just as well it was not in force during world war two, it might have applied to the French Resistance."

The next time a Labour supporter criticises anyone for describing Mandela as a terrorist, they should gently be reminded that there is no doubt that the ANC in the 1980s was a terrorist organisation, if one accepts the definition of terrorism which the Labour Party introduced.

tim said:

Mick_Pork said:

tim said:

The UKIP vs PB Tories scrap was getting a bit confused on the last thread

That seems hard to believe considering Cameron and his chum Crosby are definitely not confused with regards to immigration and anti-kipper strategy.

David Coburn UKIP ‏@DavidCoburnUKip

Lynton Crosby told Boris Johnson - " Concentrate on Tory voters and not the f*****g Muslims http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234565/Lynton-Crosby-Foul-mouthed-abuse-campaign-chief-revealed-lands-Tory-post.html …

So when Cammie branded the kippers "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" he obviously knew what he was talking about.

Lynton was employed to spread bile about Romanians and Bulgarians in Spring 2013 and spread love in Spring 2014 wasn't he?



Employed at great expense yes. Money that has always been spent wisely by the incompetent fops.

nigel4england said:

Mick_Pork said:

tim said:

The UKIP vs PB Tories scrap was getting a bit confused on the last thread

That seems hard to believe considering Cameron and his chum Crosby are definitely not confused with regards to immigration and anti-kipper strategy.

David Coburn UKIP ‏@DavidCoburnUKip

Lynton Crosby told Boris Johnson - " Concentrate on Tory voters and not the f*****g Muslims http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234565/Lynton-Crosby-Foul-mouthed-abuse-campaign-chief-revealed-lands-Tory-post.html …

So when Cammie branded the kippers "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" he obviously knew what he was talking about.

I'm a kipper but in the case of Godfrey Bloom he was right!


Bloom going a bit Kilroy-Silk again is he? That's bound to end well.

nigel4england said:

From the other thread:

anothernick said:
» show previous quotes
Could you cite some evidence for your assertion that the UK's infrastructure can't cope with more immigration?
From the Guardian no less:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/sep/03/councils-shortage-primary-school-places

And from my city -

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/9809113.Roads_in_Bradford_and_Leeds__most_congested_in_England_/

Crick chasing Shapps. Always great TV that. Now we get Bloom's red faced flounce against Crick. Equally hilarious.

Am I the only person who thinks AE-P at The Telegraph is wonderfully, bonkersly, insane?

The EU - rightly or wrongly - has preached that countries have to (a) cut public spending, and (b) liberalise labour markets. This has tended to improve competitiveness, albeit at the horrendous cost of unemployment soaring.

France has neither cut spending, nor liberalised its labour market. If the EU and the Eurozone comes apart in the next 18 months, it will almost certainly be because France or Italy has chosen to ignore the Anglo-Saxon dogma that emanates from Berlin and Brussels.

Now, you can take the view (as AE-P does, and as Paul Krugman does) that austerity in the middle of a slump will only make things worse. What you cannot claim is that France's problems are due to them following EU dogma, when France is doing anything but following EU dogma.

Personally, I think that austerity and the liberalising of labour markets - while horrible for the unemployed builder in Southern Spain - is essential for having a long-term competitive economy. Trying to prop up an economy like Spain, where 20% of workers were in construction or related industries at the peak of the boom, is madness, and can only lead to disaster.

If AE-P wanted to make the point that austerity and liberalisation didn't work, he'd be better to go Spain or Portugal or Ireland or Estonia or Latvia, all of whom have wholeheartedly swallowed the bitter medicine dished out by Mrs Merkel. Instead he focuses on what I'd consider the new sick man of Europe, France. Which, alongside Italy, is the only country to refuse the medicine.

saddened said:

Tykejohnno said:

nigel4england said:

From the other thread:

anothernick said:
» show previous quotes
Could you cite some evidence for your assertion that the UK's infrastructure can't cope with more immigration?
From the Guardian no less:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/sep/03/councils-shortage-primary-school-places

And from my city -

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/9809113.Roads_in_Bradford_and_Leeds__most_congested_in_England_/

To be fair I'd be queuing to leave as well, and I say that as someone who lives in Yorkshire.

The tories won't win votes in the north that way mr saddened ;-)

rcs1000 said:

Am I the only person who thinks AE-P at The Telegraph is wonderfully, bonkersly, insane?

Nope.

Good writer though. Soothsaying abilities not as strong as his prose. I think he has actually calmed down since the late 90s(?), which is about the last time I regularly read the print edition. Back then I had him down as a bit batty on his pet subjects, of which he had plenty.

Tykejohnno said:

saddened said:

Tykejohnno said:

nigel4england said:

From the other thread:

anothernick said:
» show previous quotes
Could you cite some evidence for your assertion that the UK's infrastructure can't cope with more immigration?
From the Guardian no less:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/sep/03/councils-shortage-primary-school-places

And from my city -

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/9809113.Roads_in_Bradford_and_Leeds__most_congested_in_England_/

To be fair I'd be queuing to leave as well, and I say that as someone who lives in Yorkshire.

The tories won't win votes in the north that way mr saddened ;-)

They will in Harrogate.

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saddened said:

Tykejohnno said:

saddened said:

Tykejohnno said:

nigel4england said:

From the other thread:

anothernick said:
» show previous quotes
Could you cite some evidence for your assertion that the UK's infrastructure can't cope with more immigration?
From the Guardian no less:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/sep/03/councils-shortage-primary-school-places

And from my city -

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/9809113.Roads_in_Bradford_and_Leeds__most_congested_in_England_/

To be fair I'd be queuing to leave as well, and I say that as someone who lives in Yorkshire.

The tories won't win votes in the north that way mr saddened ;-)

They will in Harrogate.

you live in Harrogate ?

nigel4england said:

From the other thread:

anothernick said:
» show previous quotes
Could you cite some evidence for your assertion that the UK's infrastructure can't cope with more immigration?
From the Guardian no less:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/sep/03/councils-shortage-primary-school-places

But surely an increasing birthrate is a good thing? Or would you prefer the UK to become an ageing,sclerotic society like Japan or Italy?

tim said:

isam said:

tim said:

isam said:

tim said:

The UKIP vs PB Tories scrap was getting a bit confused on the last thread, the PB Tories who voted UKIP in May seem to be more angry with everyone but themselves, they're teenagers who got caught masturbating at breaktime and didn't realise they were on CCTV

I thought the last thread was getting confused when people who claim to know about the effects of immigration on the working class, despite only reading about it in state sponsored reports rather than experiencing it personally, started getting snobby about the merits of a particular champagne

Nothing wrong with being able to spot a mediocre champagne and a mediocre politician lying about school kids being bussed 20 miles out of Boston Lincs, no contradiction there.

Champers everyone!

Champagne is not, as is assumed on the right wing fringe, always a product of white grapes, the Pinot Noir gives the great blends their longevity, robustness and complexity.

Who cares what the working class and immigrants think about immigration and its effects when we can have Champagne quaffing socialist luvvies reading govt commissioned reports at us?!!

Tykejohnno said:

saddened said:

Tykejohnno said:

saddened said:

Tykejohnno said:

nigel4england said:

From the other thread:

anothernick said:
» show previous quotes
Could you cite some evidence for your assertion that the UK's infrastructure can't cope with more immigration?
From the Guardian no less:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/sep/03/councils-shortage-primary-school-places

And from my city -

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/9809113.Roads_in_Bradford_and_Leeds__most_congested_in_England_/

To be fair I'd be queuing to leave as well, and I say that as someone who lives in Yorkshire.

The tories won't win votes in the north that way mr saddened ;-)

They will in Harrogate.

you live in Harrogate ?

yes

isam - I'm still confused by why you think your good fortune to be born on this island allows you to decide who else should live and work here

Next said:

Carola said:

'Our splash: interesting the Tories now have their own version of 'use it or lose it' after Ed Miliband conference attack on land banks' gallagher

Link with details?

It's on the fp front page.

isam said:

Balanced panel on HIGNFY, Godfrey Bloom and Victoria Coren

One of the best HIGNFY in some time. I haven't seen Mrs J so angry since I mistakenly called feminists 'bra-burners'.

Which reminds me: all the world's energy problems would be sorted if we could only work out how to generate power from righteous indignation. ;-)

Oh, and Godfrey Bloom is an arse. UKIP are better off without him. Sadly, as HIGNFY showed, he will always be connected with the party.They should have chucked him months earlier.

GeoffM said:

I'm all for carrying a gun here.

In Gibraltar? How long before some gun nut sets off an international incident?

GeoffM said:

Neil said:

nigel4england said:

anothernick said:

nigel4england said:

From the other thread:

anothernick said:
» show previous quotes
Could you cite some evidence for your assertion that the UK's infrastructure can't cope with more immigration?
From the Guardian no less:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/sep/03/councils-shortage-primary-school-places

But surely an increasing birthrate is a good thing? Or would you prefer the UK to become an ageing,sclerotic society like Japan or Italy?

70 million population is far too much for an island smaller than Michigan (population less than 10 million)

If the population is intolerably high surely people will stop coming here so it settles down to a lower level?

Depends if you keep giving them free money or not.
That massively trumps a bit of restricted elbow-room.

Surely people who dont receive free money will stop coming here if the population is intolerably high?

Bobajob said:

Carola said:

I don't blame Ed for keeping policies back if the Tories are going to nick them all.

That's unfortunately the problem.

Yes, and the previous Labour govt never nicked Tory ideas ever...

tim said:

@rcs1000

After his book about the Clintons covering up various murders I'd assumed everyone thought he was bonkers.

As conspiracy theories go, AEP's are pretty solid without coming near the classics of the genre. Enough bits that might just be half true, to cover over the lack of any truly convincing evidence. The Tap is better, in my opinion: by luck or judgment he has found a way to sacrifice a few ounces of believability, for an extra pound of compelling story. AEP hasn't quite got the balance right, perhaps held back by his need to retain a career as professional journalist (or at least, mainstream columnist). His tales of dark whispers in Washington or grand designs schemed out by evil Eurocrats are staid, conventional and a bit dull really. But he shows promise. I hope that after retirement, his leash will be freer, and the rovings of his mind can be wilder and a little more entertaining.

GeoffM said:

Freggles said:

Meanwhile in Gunland
http://news.sky.com/story/1165923/detroit-girl-shot-dead-while-seeking-help

On the other hand, guns are successfully used defensively to prevent crime in the USA on average 2082 times every day. That more than outweighs the rare incident that brings the gun control wackos out of the woodwork.

We'd all be safer if we had concealed carry laws. I'm all for carrying a gun here.

GeoffM said:

Freggles said:

Meanwhile in Gunland
http://news.sky.com/story/1165923/detroit-girl-shot-dead-while-seeking-help

On the other hand, guns are successfully used defensively to prevent crime in the USA on average 2082 times every day. That more than outweighs the rare incident that brings the gun control wackos out of the woodwork.

We'd all be safer if we had concealed carry laws. I'm all for carrying a gun here.

So you would like American homicide rates over British ones? Or are you just talking about wealthy landowners protecting themselves from burglars, you don't mind if inner city kids shoot each other?

The Daily Mail defends a convicted murderer, interesting...

rcs1000 said:

isam - I'm still confused by why you think your good fortune to be born on this island allows you to decide who else should live and work here

Is this a commet upon the stupid abortion-laws that exist within England Junior? Or just a misplaced, ill-thought comment that exposes the butterfly-effect...?

Life_ina_market_town said:

There is a fantastic excerpt in the Guardian from yesterday's hearing of the Miranda judicial review by the Divisional Court:

[Jason] Beer [QC, counsel for the Commissioner of the Police of the Metropolis] added: "The police had received a request from the security services to make the stop seem as routine as possible." Between 60,000 and 100,000 people a year are examined in port stops every year. "The definition of section one [of the Terrorism Act] is exceptionally broad … Terrorism is terrorism, whatever the motives"

At that point Mr Justice Ouseley, one of three judges considering the case, intervened to comment: "Just as well it was not in force during world war two, it might have applied to the French Resistance."

The next time a Labour supporter criticises anyone for describing Mandela as a terrorist, they should gently be reminded that there is no doubt that the ANC in the 1980s was a terrorist organisation, if one accepts the definition of terrorism which the Labour Party introduced.

Trying to apply law to war, an inherently lawless activity, leaves one tangled up in dilemnas.

Bobajob said:

Charles said:

MyBurningEars said:

Great to see some recognition for Andrea!

Just noticed a few days ago a photo of OGH with Stephen Hawking and the Clintons in the White House... assuming photoshop was not involved, what story did I miss??

The 2016 election....

I hear Rod Crosby has evidence that Mike was born outside the United States. Can he produce a birth certificate?

Writing still wasn't a commonly accepted innovation when Mike was born ;-)

TGOHF said:

tim said:

TGOHF said:

Neil said:

nigel4england said:

anothernick said:

nigel4england said:

From the other thread:

anothernick said:
» show previous quotes
Could you cite some evidence for your assertion that the UK's infrastructure can't cope with more immigration?
From the Guardian no less:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/sep/03/councils-shortage-primary-school-places

But surely an increasing birthrate is a good thing? Or would you prefer the UK to become an ageing,sclerotic society like Japan or Italy?

70 million population is far too much for an island smaller than Michigan (population less than 10 million)

If the population is intolerably high surely people will stop coming here so it settles down to a lower level?

Have you been to Hong Kong ? Not sure the density limit has been reached yet.

Surely Japan is the UKIP model, have population density sorted out by limiting immigration to almost nothing then watch as the population reduces by a third as they all die off in a mountain of debt and falling birth rates

Think the Ukip model is Sicily or Alabama.

Actually, I think the UKIP model is Russia. Nationalistic, xenophobic, an unswerving belief that they are right and the rest of the world is wrong and p*ssed out of their heads most of the time.

tim said:

Sean_F said:

tim said:

isam said:

tim said:

isam said:

tim said:

The UKIP vs PB Tories scrap was getting a bit confused on the last thread, the PB Tories who voted UKIP in May seem to be more angry with everyone but themselves, they're teenagers who got caught masturbating at breaktime and didn't realise they were on CCTV

I thought the last thread was getting confused when people who claim to know about the effects of immigration on the working class, despite only reading about it in state sponsored reports rather than experiencing it personally, started getting snobby about the merits of a particular champagne

Nothing wrong with being able to spot a mediocre champagne and a mediocre politician lying about school kids being bussed 20 miles out of Boston Lincs, no contradiction there.

Champers everyone!

Champagne is not, as is assumed on the right wing fringe, always a product of white grapes, the Pinot Noir gives the great blends their longevity, robustness and complexity.

Non-vintage Champagne is bit overrated. There's some outstanding Cava and Prosecco that's cheaper.

I'm with you there brother, give me a bottle of top Prosecco and a decent red for the same price as a bog standard Champagne every day.
I've done wine at weddings where the couple have saved a grand and drunk much better stuff by making that decision, but you'd be amazed by how many people refuse to drop Champagne

At mine, we served Freixenet which was far better than standard champagne.

tim said:

Oh lord, the Tories are going to collectivise Surrey

@suttonnick: Saturday's Daily Telegraph front page - "Build new home now 'or lose planning permission'" #tomorrowspaperstoday http://t.co/6yV7aFstAr

Can't read the text, but going from the headline: there's a world of difference between losing planning permission and being forced to sell the land.

JosiasJessop said:

tim said:

Oh lord, the Tories are going to collectivise Surrey

@suttonnick: Saturday's Daily Telegraph front page - "Build new home now 'or lose planning permission'" #tomorrowspaperstoday http://t.co/6yV7aFstAr

Can't read the text, but going from the headline: there's a world of difference between losing planning permission and being forced to sell the land.

In fact it's the opposite, given that no one will be able to build on the land, if planning permission is retracted.

rcs1000 said:

isam - I'm still confused by why you think your good fortune to be born on this island allows you to decide who else should live and work here

oh well

surbiton said:

Logically, it ends with incest Islam!

As a spawn of a Turk I conclude:

• You are clueless,
• You ignore the inbreeding that encourages Postal-Votes (Labour) within the UK and Punjab, and
• You are not very bright.

Easy to speak-of when you understand little. How happy you must be....