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Thanks once again to Fat Steve for making the arrangements. The next PB gathering will be at the Dirty Dicks pub just across the road from Liverpool Street Station in London from 1830 on Wednesday November 20th. These have become very much a tradition and a good time is generally had by all.
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As slippery as fish covered in cod liver oil is Mr Grant Shapps or should that be John Green, or should that be Peter Armistice or should that be Tony Michael or should that be Frank Raynor or should that be John Lone?0
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No.tim said:Are we allowed to repeat RCS1000's column inches joke?
Just appreciate the irony of the cartoon, without comment.0 -
Don't get me wrong, I would be aghast if he lost his main job of Tory election supremo and he is an open wound. I just would like him to decide which name he would like us to call him. Oh and the fact the police thought he was involved in a fraud but didn't press charges only prolongs this issue.0
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More on 'hurrah for state schools!':
http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6371662#.UnPbY7NSI7g.twitter
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*appreciates irony of cartoon without comment*
Are we allowed to say 'good cartoon, Marf'?0 -
YesCarola said:*appreciates irony of cartoon without comment*
Are we allowed to say 'good cartoon, Marf'?0 -
Good cartoon Marf!0
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I hope if QTS is ditched we don't get loads of private school teachers moving over to state schools. That would be a disaster. Think of the children!0
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I'm still laughing at your 'union thugs doing thuggish deeds' comments.compouter1 said:Don't get me wrong, I would be aghast if he lost his main job of Tory election supremo and he is an open wound. I just would like him to decide which name he would like us to call him. Oh and the fact the police thought he was involved in a fraud but didn't press charges only prolongs this issue.
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He looks and talks a bit like Blair. Perhaps Blair's Heir saw himself reflected back, as he would like to be.tim said:Dave sure can pick them
snip~
I've not been able to discern any political ability in Shapps, his Eastleigh campaign was a classic of his genre,his time at housing saw record lows in building and record highs in press releases, on TV he's a lightweight*, any PB Tory tell me what Cameron saw in him.0 -
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good cartoon Marf!
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Ooh Crikey seems I've got twice as much on Sadiq Khan as I thought - assumed the Bet365 hadn't gone through at 12s.0
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A bit rich, Ash, given your constant and hilariously inept attempts to rebrand yourself.compouter1 said:I just would like him to decide which name he would like us to call him.
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FPT:
It often surprises me that convenience (such as easy parking) is rated so mutch higher than clinicalcare, but it is a consistent finding...NickPalmer said:Apols if already mentioned, but an interesting poll on attitudes to the NHS:
http://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/cta-pub-opp.pdf
Summary on quick skim: it's wonderful (better than any other British institution including the monarchy and the armed forces), we're familiar with Stafford but it was unusual, let's increase taxes to make it even better, probably don't bother to give us more choices, I want a hospital that's convenient, never mind the quality, but clinical commissioning does sound good.
Uphill struggle for those here who want to replace or radically change it. I wouldn't go for convenience over quality myself - interesting as governments of both flavours have wanted to merge hospitals for better and/or cheaper care.0 -
Nice cartoon, Marf! Hope to see everyone at Dirty Dick's on the 20th!0
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Not possible to make Dirty Dicks, as busy clinical session that day.
July 8th is a tuesday, If it were a Sunday, I could get there. Bar Tat, of course!0 -
Bloody hell,a good front page for the government from the independent.
Nick Sutton
@suttonnick
Independent - "The water bill torture: Government action on rip-off price rises" #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/ylRkeQjQ4Z0 -
Looks like HowtoCorp has called it a day - It filed for dissolution a couple of weeks back.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05399983/HOW-TO-CORP-LIMITED0 -
compouter1 said:
As slippery as fish covered in cod liver oil is Mr Grant Shapps or should that be John Green, or should that be Peter Armistice or should that be Tony Michael or should that be Frank Raynor or should that be John Lone?
Possible Marxism alert Tyke ;-)Tykejohnno said:Bloody hell,a good front page for the government from the independent.
Nick Sutton
@suttonnick
Independent - "The water bill torture: Government action on rip-off price rises" #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/ylRkeQjQ4Z
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Hopefully should be able to come to the Ilkley get together. Is Sean buying there too?0
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Excellent move by the government if they are deciding to have a crack at the piss-taking water companies - Ed Miliband gave an interview to the Evening Standard today suggesting that move but looks as if No. 10 might head him off for once. Quick thinking if so.
We are all Marxists now, comrade.0 -
Looks like the Telegraph is going after a Tory MP on tax avoidance.0
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The debt/deficit is now dead as an election issue it would seem. Entirely forgotten by the public and the politicians.0
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Small fry.The big fish is the rail prices.Bobajob said:Excellent move by the government if they are deciding to have a crack at the piss-taking water companies - Ed Miliband gave an interview to the Evening Standard today suggesting that move but looks as if No. 10 might head him off for once. Quick thinking if so.
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FPT
@Life_ina_marketing_town
Given that there is not, and has never been such as thing as 'Britain's National Health Service', the poll is based on a false premise.
I remember Stefano Pessina telling me once that the second most trusted healthcare professional in the UK is the "Boots nurse".
Unfortunately they don't exist...0 -
Don’t be fooled: Labour would increase your energy bills
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/10421143/Dont-be-fooled-Labour-would-increase-your-energy-bills.html0 -
After reading McBride's book (which I really enjoyed) I thought I'd go back and read bits of Seldon's book on Brown at 10. I never finished Seldon's book last time I read it, and I was fascinated to find that Brown tendered his resignation to the Queen before Clegg had finalised a deal with the Tories.
I am sure I never knew that up until now. I was always under the assumption that Brown waitied and waited (under civil service instruction, and as a point of constitutional etiquette) until Cameron indicated he would form a government.
The fact that Brown went before a deal is interesting because if the haggling had gone on longer, perhaps Clegg would've extracted more from Cameron, and by now the Tory backbenchers would be proper frothing.
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The Metropolitan Police's letter on Shapps-Green-Fox is deplorable. On the one hand, it insinuates wrongdoing by Shapps, but on the other, states there isn't a case to answer. If the latter is true, then the former shouldn't have been said publicly.0
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And Yuppy Love has just started on Channel 133.
In my opinion the best comedy episode ever written.
It's famed for Del Boy falling through the bar but the episode is just fabulous. John Sullivan, a man with no education, should've been knighted prior to his death. An extraordinary talent.0 -
It is utterly disgraceful - and this is not a partisan point, I can't stand Shapps - that the police feel able to publish this kind of smear. They should either prosecute, or STFU.SMukesh said:
Warsi was worse.But it`ll be funny the next time he writes to the BBC about being `transparent`.tim said:
"The Metropolitan Police said it had received legal advice suggesting the selling of software by Mr Shapps's family firm "may constitute an offence of fraud, among others".SMukesh said:Labour writing to Cameron about Shapps.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24779368
But after assessing the claims the Met said it had decided not to proceed."
That's pretty much the perfect outcome for Labour, Cameron has to leave him in place despite him being useless and every interviewer gets to ask him about the fraud
First they shot the Brazilian electrician ...
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The head of the Met is ofcourse a Labour appointee! Oops!Ishmael_X said:
It is utterly disgraceful - and this is not a partisan point, I can't stand Shapps - that the police feel able to publish this kind of smear. They should either prosecute, or STFU.SMukesh said:
Warsi was worse.But it`ll be funny the next time he writes to the BBC about being `transparent`.tim said:
"The Metropolitan Police said it had received legal advice suggesting the selling of software by Mr Shapps's family firm "may constitute an offence of fraud, among others".SMukesh said:Labour writing to Cameron about Shapps.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24779368
But after assessing the claims the Met said it had decided not to proceed."
That's pretty much the perfect outcome for Labour, Cameron has to leave him in place despite him being useless and every interviewer gets to ask him about the fraud
First they shot the Brazilian electrician ...
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What ? They will take our water ?tim said:
At this juncture the PB Tories pop up to say "They'll just drive the water companies abroad, they'll stop investing and refuse to supply water".Bobajob said:Excellent move by the government if they are deciding to have a crack at the piss-taking water companies - Ed Miliband gave an interview to the Evening Standard today suggesting that move but looks as if No. 10 might head him off for once. Quick thinking if so.
We are all Marxists now, comrade.
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Can we add "not partisan" to the depressingly long list of concepts which are too difficult for you?SMukesh said:
The head of the Met is ofcourse a Labour appointee! Oops!Ishmael_X said:
It is utterly disgraceful - and this is not a partisan point, I can't stand Shapps - that the police feel able to publish this kind of smear. They should either prosecute, or STFU.SMukesh said:
Warsi was worse.But it`ll be funny the next time he writes to the BBC about being `transparent`.tim said:
"The Metropolitan Police said it had received legal advice suggesting the selling of software by Mr Shapps's family firm "may constitute an offence of fraud, among others".SMukesh said:Labour writing to Cameron about Shapps.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24779368
But after assessing the claims the Met said it had decided not to proceed."
That's pretty much the perfect outcome for Labour, Cameron has to leave him in place despite him being useless and every interviewer gets to ask him about the fraud
First they shot the Brazilian electrician ...
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Geez, he's like the Johann Hari of politics.tim said:Fenster said:
I'd sack Shapps and enjoy it. He's way too Tim Nice But Dim for me. He has few redeeming features.tim said:Dave sure can pick them
@EmilyThornberry: Shapps >re letter from Met Police "absolutely nothing here of any interest" it says his alleg actions "may constitute an offence of fraud"
I've not been able to discern any political ability in Shapps, his Eastleigh campaign was a classic of his genre,his time at housing saw record lows in building and record highs in press releases, on TV he's a lightweight*, any PB Tory tell me what Cameron saw in him.
*I therefore covered my bets on T.May with small bets on him and Jeremy Hunt,similar figures, just in case the Tories went for a Cameron repeat
I'm pretty sure he was the politician who slept out with the homeless one Christmas night when he was a Shadow Minister. A nice gesture in itself. But I'm wondering if that's where he got his alternative identities from.
Not unless he was sharing the pavement with Gus O'DonnellFenster said:
I'd sack Shapps and enjoy it. He's way too Tim Nice But Dim for me. He has few redeeming features.tim said:Dave sure can pick them
@EmilyThornberry: Shapps >re letter from Met Police "absolutely nothing here of any interest" it says his alleg actions "may constitute an offence of fraud"
I've not been able to discern any political ability in Shapps, his Eastleigh campaign was a classic of his genre,his time at housing saw record lows in building and record highs in press releases, on TV he's a lightweight*, any PB Tory tell me what Cameron saw in him.
*I therefore covered my bets on T.May with small bets on him and Jeremy Hunt,similar figures, just in case the Tories went for a Cameron repeat
I'm pretty sure he was the politician who slept out with the homeless one Christmas night when he was a Shadow Minister. A nice gesture in itself. But I'm wondering if that's where he got his alternative identities from.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/07/gus-odonnell-letter-john-prescott-dclg-criticism-censored/
A Lib Dem activist
http://www.libdemvoice.org/grant-shapps-991.html
Sebastian Fox and M.Green0 -
Something not existing is no bar to people having a deep belief in it.Charles said:FPT
@Life_ina_marketing_town
Given that there is not, and has never been such as thing as 'Britain's National Health Service', the poll is based on a false premise.
I remember Stefano Pessina telling me once that the second most trusted healthcare professional in the UK is the "Boots nurse".
Unfortunately they don't exist...0 -
Before the plebgate incident I'd have given the police (And did at the time) the benefit of the doubt. Not now - this has a stink about it.Life_ina_market_town said:The Metropolitan Police's letter on Shapps-Green-Fox is deplorable. On the one hand, it insinuates wrongdoing by Shapps, but on the other, states there isn't a case to answer. If the latter is true, then the former shouldn't have been said publicly.
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Presenting daytime TV has often been a good career move to get into politics, Esther McVey, Gyles Brandreth, Gloria Del Piero, Shapps looks like he should have presented daytime TV, but surprisingly has not!0
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That Brown went before a Con-LD deal was done has been known for some time. I think David Laws says so in his book on the coalition negotiations and his brief first stint in government. Mandelson certainly does in his memoirs, and I'm pretty sure Cameron has confirmed it in interview as well.Fenster said:After reading McBride's book (which I really enjoyed) I thought I'd go back and read bits of Seldon's book on Brown at 10. I never finished Seldon's book last time I read it, and I was fascinated to find that Brown tendered his resignation to the Queen before Clegg had finalised a deal with the Tories.
I am sure I never knew that up until now. I was always under the assumption that Brown waitied and waited (under civil service instruction, and as a point of constitutional etiquette) until Cameron indicated he would form a government.
The fact that Brown went before a deal is interesting because if the haggling had gone on longer, perhaps Clegg would've extracted more from Cameron, and by now the Tory backbenchers would be proper frothing.
I'm not convinced Brown staying a few more hours would have made much difference. The numbers were never there for a non-Con government; the only question was whether it would be a minority Con or a Con-LD coalition. By the time Brown went, that was pretty clear to everyone so the dynamics would have been relatively similar had Cameron been negotiating as an opposition leader rather than PM.0 -
Neither can I; hosting a Business for Britain drinks if anyone wants to pop alonefoxinsoxuk said:Not possible to make Dirty Dicks, as busy clinical session that day.
July 8th is a tuesday, If it were a Sunday, I could get there. Bar Tat, of course!0 -
Good evening, everyone.
If you're going to Ilkley Moor don't forget your hat.
I fear it'll be difficult to persuade the hound to leave the house tonight, due to all the fireworks.0 -
Surely one should never pop alone.Charles said:
Neither can I; hosting a Business for Britain drinks if anyone wants to pop alonefoxinsoxuk said:Not possible to make Dirty Dicks, as busy clinical session that day.
July 8th is a tuesday, If it were a Sunday, I could get there. Bar Tat, of course!0 -
If it's in the Seldon book then it's absolutely public knowledge. For some reason I always thought Brown waited until the deal was struck. I've read the Laws book too, so it goes to show how much I take it all in!david_herdson said:
That Brown went before a Con-LD deal was done has been known for some time. I think David Laws says so in his book on the coalition negotiations and his brief first stint in government. Mandelson certainly does in his memoirs, and I'm pretty sure Cameron has confirmed it in interview as well.Fenster said:After reading McBride's book (which I really enjoyed) I thought I'd go back and read bits of Seldon's book on Brown at 10. I never finished Seldon's book last time I read it, and I was fascinated to find that Brown tendered his resignation to the Queen before Clegg had finalised a deal with the Tories.
I am sure I never knew that up until now. I was always under the assumption that Brown waitied and waited (under civil service instruction, and as a point of constitutional etiquette) until Cameron indicated he would form a government.
The fact that Brown went before a deal is interesting because if the haggling had gone on longer, perhaps Clegg would've extracted more from Cameron, and by now the Tory backbenchers would be proper frothing.
I'm not convinced Brown staying a few more hours would have made much difference. The numbers were never there for a non-Con government; the only question was whether it would be a minority Con or a Con-LD coalition. By the time Brown went, that was pretty clear to everyone so the dynamics would have been relatively similar had Cameron been negotiating as an opposition leader rather than PM.
If Clegg asked Brown, on that fateful Tuesday, to "give me more time" and said "they have longer to negotiate coalitions" in Europe, then I deduce from that that Clegg wasn't entirely happy with Cameron's comprehensive offer and took a lesser deal than he actually wanted. It also makes Clegg and the Lib Dems like a bunch of shamelessly slippery buggers too. Using Brown and Cameron at the same time (though you can't blame them for this!).0 -
It's Etonian for m*sturbating.corporeal said:
Surely one should never pop alone.Charles said:
Neither can I; hosting a Business for Britain drinks if anyone wants to pop alonefoxinsoxuk said:Not possible to make Dirty Dicks, as busy clinical session that day.
July 8th is a tuesday, If it were a Sunday, I could get there. Bar Tat, of course!
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Sorry to disappoint, but I meant "pop along". Difficult to type while holding a wriggling toddler.Ishmael_X said:
It's Etonian for m*sturbating.corporeal said:
Surely one should never pop alone.Charles said:
Neither can I; hosting a Business for Britain drinks if anyone wants to pop alonefoxinsoxuk said:Not possible to make Dirty Dicks, as busy clinical session that day.
July 8th is a tuesday, If it were a Sunday, I could get there. Bar Tat, of course!0 -
Surbiton - Indeed, there is always that to fall back on if the politics does not work out0
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Mr. Charles, worry not. I'm sure we're all familiar with the difficulties of one-handed typing
Speaking of onanists: Sir Edric's Temple is now up on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sir-Edrics-Temple-ebook/dp/B00GCAF2CI/0 -
Speak for yourself...tim said:
Sure you don't mean tiddler?Charles said:
Sorry to disappoint, but I meant "pop along". Difficult to type while holding a wriggling toddler.Ishmael_X said:
It's Etonian for m*sturbating.corporeal said:
Surely one should never pop alone.Charles said:
Neither can I; hosting a Business for Britain drinks if anyone wants to pop alonefoxinsoxuk said:Not possible to make Dirty Dicks, as busy clinical session that day.
July 8th is a tuesday, If it were a Sunday, I could get there. Bar Tat, of course!0 -
'Swedish parenting has created nation of brats':
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/10421246/Swedish-parenting-has-created-nation-of-brats.html0 -
In your opinion, is there any company or organisation in the UK that is not taking the piss?Bobajob said:Excellent move by the government if they are deciding to have a crack at the piss-taking water companies - Ed Miliband gave an interview to the Evening Standard today suggesting that move but looks as if No. 10 might head him off for once. Quick thinking if so.
We are all Marxists now, comrade.
Aside, obviously, from Labour and the unions?0 -
Story:Carola said:Looks like the Telegraph is going after a Tory MP on tax avoidance.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10422189/Stephen-Hammond-Conservative-ministers-offshore-deal-cuts-tax-bill.html0 -
Len McCluskey praises 'seductive' Scottish independence
The “toxic” trade union leader at the centre of the Grangemouth crisis has given his strongest backing yet for Alex Salmond’s independence campaign.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10421506/Len-McCluskey-praises-seductive-Scottish-independence.html0 -
I have my copy, Mr Dancer, and look forward to reading it over the weekend.Morris_Dancer said:
Speaking of onanists: Sir Edric's Temple is now up on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sir-Edrics-Temple-ebook/dp/B00GCAF2CI/
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Glad to hear it, Mr. M. Look forward to hearing your thoughts.0
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Tim - Until further notice, you are not to discuss the business activities of Grant Shapps or his aliases, directly or indirectly.
You've made a couple of comments this evening which could land Mike Smithson in trouble.
Please confirm you understand this instruction.0 -
Not sure that it is immediately apparent that a study of schools on the other side of the world is relevant to our own school system. It misses the obvious point that perhaps Aussie state schools are just a lot better than our own and so closer to the standards of private schools.tim said:Carola said:More on 'hurrah for state schools!':
http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6371662#.UnPbY7NSI7g.twitter
Was it Gove who said fee paying schools were just a vehicle for buying "thick rich kids" a leg up?
I'm sure his fans on here will agree with that after reading the research
(The ones who understand the research that is)
I also see that Tim ignores the last paragraph of the article quoting a UK expert.
""This is good research, but not good advice," he said. "This looks to me like an attempt to explain the differences (in attainment) between private and state schools. There is a big difference in outcomes, although this can be explained by the difference in (schools') intake.
"This is interesting from a research point of view, but it doesn't alter the fact that the independent schools do have the best results.""0 -
Robert Jenrick selected by Newark Conservatives for 2015 GE (majority 31.5%). He stood in Newcastle under Lyme in 20100
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No wonder so many MPs are so keen on not having a free press anymore.CarlottaVance said:
Story:Carola said:Looks like the Telegraph is going after a Tory MP on tax avoidance.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10422189/Stephen-Hammond-Conservative-ministers-offshore-deal-cuts-tax-bill.html0 -
Christ he doesn't look old enough to be out of short trousers yet let alone standing for Parliament.AndreaParma_82 said:Robert Jenrick selected by Newark Conservatives for 2015 GE (majority 31%). He stood in Newcastle under Lyme in 2010
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Wouldn't it be the CPS deciding not to prosecute?Ishmael_X said:
It is utterly disgraceful - and this is not a partisan point, I can't stand Shapps - that the police feel able to publish this kind of smear. They should either prosecute, or STFU.SMukesh said:
Warsi was worse.But it`ll be funny the next time he writes to the BBC about being `transparent`.tim said:
"The Metropolitan Police said it had received legal advice suggesting the selling of software by Mr Shapps's family firm "may constitute an offence of fraud, among others".SMukesh said:Labour writing to Cameron about Shapps.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24779368
But after assessing the claims the Met said it had decided not to proceed."
That's pretty much the perfect outcome for Labour, Cameron has to leave him in place despite him being useless and every interviewer gets to ask him about the fraud
First they shot the Brazilian electrician ...
The political class really don't want even the faintest possibility of a whiff of a by-election.0 -
He will get all the grandmothers vote!Richard_Tyndall said:
Christ he doesn't look old enough to be out of short trousers yet let alone standing for Parliament.AndreaParma_82 said:Robert Jenrick selected by Newark Conservatives for 2015 GE (majority 31%). He stood in Newcastle under Lyme in 2010
http://www.robertjenrick.com/0 -
Hodges and PB Tories to say this is a disaster for Ed Miliband and Labour.tim said:@DJack_Journo: Tory minister @SHammondMP used offshore co to buy 2nd home & avoid tax in UK & Portugal, says @Telegraph http://t.co/gQdy9pLqUm
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Wonder if the police will send Mike a letter saying that legal advice was sought which concluded that a couple of the comments by one of your posters constitute an offence of libel, among others.However, upon the conclusion of the assessment process the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] have decided not to instigate a criminal investigation and have now closed this matter.PBModerator said:Tim - Until further notice, you are not to discuss the business activities of Grant Shapps or his aliases, directly or indirectly.
You've made a couple of comments this evening which could land Mike Smithson in trouble.
Please confirm you understand this instruction.
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Interesting about the PB gathering in Ilkley next July.
My boyhood home, which the Tour passes on day 2, is only a mile or so away, so Ilkley is a place I knew well.
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Libel is not a criminal offence. It is a tort. It does not fall within the jurisdiction of the police.compouter1 said:Wonder if the police will send Mike a letter saying that legal advice was sought which concluded that a couple of the comments by one of your posters constitute an offence of libel, among others.However, upon the conclusion of the assessment process the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] have decided not to instigate a criminal investigation and have now closed this matter.
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Indeed, they would presumably write about any potential contempt of court accusations.Life_ina_market_town said:
Libel is not a criminal offence. It is a tort. It does not fall within the jurisdiction of the police.compouter1 said:Wonder if the police will send Mike a letter saying that legal advice was sought which concluded that a couple of the comments by one of your posters constitute an offence of libel, among others.However, upon the conclusion of the assessment process the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] have decided not to instigate a criminal investigation and have now closed this matter.
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The strict liability rule only applies where criminal proceedings are active, within the meaning of schedule 1 to the Contempt of Court Act 1981. There are no active criminal proceedings in this matter.Quincel said:Indeed, they would presumably write about any potential contempt of court accusations.
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(OT) Sean Thomas appears in a cartoon in Private Eye, number 1352, page 16, column 20
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These figures used to be available in publications like The Times Guide to the House of Commons but recently they've stopped bothering to do them, so I've had a go myself.
2010 election — results for each English region:
Eastern:
Con: 1,356,740 (47.12%)
LD: 692,932 (24.07%)
Lab: 564,581 (19.61%)
UKIP: 123,177 (4.28%)
BNP: 59,505 (2.07%)
Green: 42,677 (1.48%)
Eng Dem: 8,390 (0.29%)
Others: 31,055 (1.08%)
East Midlands:
Con: 915,933 (41.18%)
Lab: 661,869 (29.76%)
LD: 463,068 (20.82%)
UKIP: 72,659 (3.27%)
BNP: 69,706 (3.13%)
Green: 11,667 (0.52%)
Eng Dem: 8,641 (0.39%)
Others: 20,736 (0.93%)
Greater London:
Lab: 1,245,627 (36.62%)
Con: 1,174,568 (34.53%)
LD: 751,571 (22.10%)
UKIP: 59,452 (1.75%)
Green: 54,316 (1.60%)
BNP: 52,095 (1.53%)
Eng Dem: 9,076 (0.27%)
Others: 54,491 (1.60%)
North East:
Lab: 518,261 (43.23%)
Con: 282,347 (23.55%)
LD: 280,468 (23.39%)
BNP: 51,940 (4.33%)
UKIP: 32,196 (2.69%)
Green: 3,787 (0.32%)
Eng Dem: 1,456 (0.12%)
Others: 28,504 (2.38%)
North West:
Lab: 1,289,978 (39.41%)
Con: 1,038,767 (31.74%)
LD: 707,770 (21.62%)
UKIP: 103,782 (3.17%)
BNP: 70,032 (2.14%)
Green: 17,046 (0.52%)
Eng Dem: 4,533 (0.14%)
Others: 41,122 (1.26%)
South East:
Con: 2,118,035 (49.32%)
LD: 1,124,786 (26.19%)
Lab: 697,567 (16.24%)
UKIP: 177,260 (4.13%)
Green: 62,120 (1.45%)
BNP: 30,618 (0.71%)
Eng Dem: 15,442 (0.36%)
Others: 68,399 (1.59%)
South West:
Con: 1,187,637 (42.82%)
LD: 962,954 (34.72%)
Lab: 426,910 (15.39%)
UKIP: 123,975 (4.47%)
Green: 31,517 (1.14%)
BNP: 20,866 (0.75%)
Eng Dem: 3,277 (0.12%)
Others: 16,307 (0.59%)
West Midlands:
Con: 1,044,081 (39.68%)
Lab: 808,104 (30.71%)
LD: 540,290 (20.53%)
UKIP: 105,685 (4.02%)
BNP: 73,394 (2.79%)
Green: 14,996 (0.57%)
Eng Dem: 2,289 (0.09%)
Others: 42,710 (1.62%)
Yorkshire & The Humber:
Lab: 826,537 (34.36%)
Con: 790,062 (32.84%)
LD: 551,740 (22.94%)
BNP: 104,167 (4.33%)
UKIP: 68,378 (2.84%)
Green: 20,824 (0.87%)
Eng Dem: 11,722 (0.49%)
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Doesn't look like a smart move if the Conservatives want an outright majority come 2015. Newcastle Under Lyme is now 19th on the Conservatives' target list, so why dump the 2010 candidate?AndreaParma_82 said:Robert Jenrick selected by Newark Conservatives for 2015 GE (majority 31.5%). He stood in Newcastle under Lyme in 2010
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Very strange indeed considering he did so well in 2010. Unless he now thins in 2015 he has no chance so has found himself a safer seat?Wulfrun_Phil said:
Doesn't look like a smart move if the Conservatives want an outright majority come 2015. Newcastle Under Lyme is now 19th on the Conservatives' target list, so why dump the 2010 candidate?AndreaParma_82 said:Robert Jenrick selected by Newark Conservatives for 2015 GE (majority 31.5%). He stood in Newcastle under Lyme in 2010
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Since Robert Jenrick was one of the people on the Croydon South longlist, the number of people on that list is now reduced from 15 to 14.0
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Ah, yes. I was mixing this up with the ongoing Brooks/Coulson trial, about which I make no further comment (of course).Life_ina_market_town said:
The strict liability rule only applies where criminal proceedings are active, within the meaning of schedule 1 to the Contempt of Court Act 1981. There are no active criminal proceedings in this matter.Quincel said:Indeed, they would presumably write about any potential contempt of court accusations.
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Reading the last couple of threads it's apparent why interest in politics is whaning. Why unless you where a sad obsessive would you submit yourself to the purile abuse from even sadder obsessives. We really do get the politicians we deserve.0
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I think that that is true.saddened said:Reading the last couple of threads it's apparent why interest in politics is whaning. Why unless you where a sad obsessive would you submit yourself to the purile abuse from even sadder obsessives. We really do get the politicians we deserve.
France deserves Hollande.
Germany deserves Merkel.
The Yookay deserves Cameron.
Sweden deserves Reinfeldt.
Scotland deserves Salmond.
France and the Yookay are clearly in masochistic moods, whereas Germany, Sweden and Scotland are in far more positive phases of their histories.
And when you consider the list of prime ministers before Cameron, you have to conclude that the Yookay has been in masochistic mood for a very long time. Such long-term self-hatred has serious consequences.0 -
I doubt if I can make dirty Dick's but I'll move heaven and earth to make Ilkley next year. I agree Bar T'at is a good option but The Regent may have more room.
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But who is riding for a fall/massive u-turn - certainly Hollande and Salmond.Stuart_Dickson said:
I think that that is true.saddened said:Reading the last couple of threads it's apparent why interest in politics is whaning. Why unless you where a sad obsessive would you submit yourself to the purile abuse from even sadder obsessives. We really do get the politicians we deserve.
France deserves Hollande.
Germany deserves Merkel.
The Yookay deserves Cameron.
Sweden deserves Reinfeldt.
Scotland deserves Salmond.
France and the Yookay are clearly in masochistic moods, whereas Germany, Sweden and Scotland are in far more positive phases of their histories.
And when you consider the list of prime ministers before Cameron, you have to conclude that the Yookay has been in masochistic mood for a very long time. Such long-term self-hatred has serious consequences.
The UK has been in self-hate mode since the 70s and probably before with the denigration and diminishing of all things thought to be British by a certain political thought process and a preference for anything but Britishness - so leading to the rise of BNP, British jobs for British people, Eng Dems and UKIP. It also has led to near imposition of political correctness and thought control by certain political movements and so from fighting for freedom of thought in WW2and during the Cold War to near thought and speech legal suppression today.0 -
Interesting comparison on the UK under EdM after 2015 and Hollande under France today. Looks at similarity of their policies, pronouncements and inbuilt attitudes and agendas
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A former Labour Parliamentary candidate has resigned from Unite in disgust after the Daily Mail’s revelations about the union’s bullying ‘leverage’ tactics.
Jonathan Roberts said Unite’s militant leader Len McCluskey was putting the entire union movement at risk.
He said that ‘picketing the family homes of company bosses and intimidating their children’ was not a ‘decent’ way of representing workers, and claimed the Unite leadership no longer represents the interests of members.
He is so disgusted with the ‘depressing, devious and combative way’ that Unite runs its operations that he has now torn up his membership card.
Writing on the Labour Uncut website, Mr Roberts said: ‘I’m sure in person he is an affable man, but in my view there is no greater threat to the hope of strong, responsible, decent and successful trade unionism than Len McCluskey and his most loyal supporters.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483875/Labour-man-quits-union-disgust-Daily-Mail-revelations-bullying-leverage-tactics.html#ixzz2jT7MD5xG
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"Allowing unqualified individuals to teach in our schools without needing to acquire a teaching qualification is not a risk that the Labour is willing to take."
Kevin Brennan MP is Labour’s shadow schools minister
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2013/11/01/under-cameron-it’s-easier-to-become-a-teacher-than-to-get-a-job-in-a-burger-bar/#more-174280 -
O/T
I do hope some of our male members (fnah fnah) are participating in Movember. I did for the first time last year and my wife donated a handsome sum to the charity to get me to shave it off!
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Plenty more on there for the Daily Mail!Financier said:Writing on the Labour Uncut website
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If my experience is any guide he'll find it very difficult to persuade Unite's membership department he HAS resigned.Financier said:A former Labour Parliamentary candidate has resigned from Unite in disgust after the Daily Mail’s revelations about the union’s bullying ‘leverage’ tactics.
Jonathan Roberts said Unite’s militant leader Len McCluskey was putting the entire union movement at risk.
He said that ‘picketing the family homes of company bosses and intimidating their children’ was not a ‘decent’ way of representing workers, and claimed the Unite leadership no longer represents the interests of members.
He is so disgusted with the ‘depressing, devious and combative way’ that Unite runs its operations that he has now torn up his membership card.
Writing on the Labour Uncut website, Mr Roberts said: ‘I’m sure in person he is an affable man, but in my view there is no greater threat to the hope of strong, responsible, decent and successful trade unionism than Len McCluskey and his most loyal supporters.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483875/Labour-man-quits-union-disgust-Daily-Mail-revelations-bullying-leverage-tactics.html#ixzz2jT7MD5xG
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@Financier
"He said that ‘picketing the family homes of company bosses and intimidating their children’ was not a ‘decent’ way of representing workers, and claimed the Unite leadership no longer represents the interests of members."
The irony of The Mail running a story about ruining lives through the intimidation of 'doorstepping' wont be lost on readers of The Daily mail.
Didn't they run just such a campaign on McCluskey himself a few weeks ago?
It seems the hypocrisy of newspaper people and them finally getting their comeuppence makes you wonder whether their is a higher being after all!
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As a fairly long-time lurker but new (and sporadic!) poster, I agree with this. The abusive tone of many of the comments has put me off getting more involved.saddened said:Reading the last couple of threads it's apparent why interest in politics is whaning. Why unless you where a sad obsessive would you submit yourself to the purile abuse from even sadder obsessives. We really do get the politicians we deserve.
But perhaps the answer is for those who want a civilised discussion about politics and all sorts of other things simply to ignore the abuse. Don't even respond to personalised attacks.
Yes, interesting. Miliband hasn't been mentioning his shared vision and friendship with Hollande so much recently, has he...?Financier said:Interesting comparison on the UK under EdM after 2015 and Hollande under France today. Looks at similarity of their policies, pronouncements and inbuilt attitudes and agendas
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Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Kevin, I think you might be right.
Just checked practice times, and I'll try to get the pre-qualifying piece up shortly after 11am. Oddly, I seem to have quite a lot of chores to do this morning, so it might be slightly delayed.0 -
@SouthCoastKevin -
"As a fairly long-time lurker but new (and sporadic!) poster, I agree with this. The abusive tone of many of the comments has put me off getting more involved. But perhaps the answer is for those who want a civilised discussion about politics and all sorts of other things simply to ignore the abuse. Don't even respond to personalised attacks."
Wise advice. However, Kevin, in my experience the tone of blog threads is set by the proprietor and the moderators the proprietor appoints. This was the key strength of PB in the early years, and has been its key weakness in recent years.
Bullying is a culture. A culture which can become deeply ingrained in certain institutions (the HoC, armed forces and the media spring to mind). Good headmasters rid the school of it. Weak headmasters let it thrive.
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Morose thread this morning! I've had a share of abuse over the years here, but as others have said it's less than most forums and the predominant tone still seems to me to be affable at personal level. agree with SCK that not replying to abuse (or saying something light-hearted back) is a good policy. In the last resort it doesn't really matter if some anonymous bloke sneers at you.
On another subject - as an MP I always found fireworks nuisance to be big deal at this tinme of year - dozens of people would write every year that both they and their pets were terrified by bangs into the early hours every night for weeks. They felt they could have lived with big bangs on ov 5, but the habit had grown to do it for week after week. Maybe it's because I'm out of office but I've not heard anything about it this year. Are people noticing less of it?0 -
What? A dozen reporters in High Viz jackets with megaphones and an inflatable rat? Really?Roger said:through the intimidation of 'doorstepping' wont be lost on readers of The Daily mail.
Didn't they run just such a campaign on McCluskey himself a few weeks ago?
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Very interesting figures, and perhaps worthy of a thread, particularly in the fallow period of present without many imminent events.
They may well be of interest to those planning a punt on the Euros; but also are of interest to those who would be interested in working out what the likely halving of the LibDem vote in 2015 will do regionally. I could see major tory gains in the Southwest on the cards. Also intrresting to see how it really is the English Midlands where elections are decided.
Excuse the snip to fit!AndyJS said:These figures used to be available in publications like The Times Guide to the House of Commons but recently they've stopped bothering to do them, so I've had a go myself.
2010 election — results for each English region:
Eastern:
Con: 1,356,740 (47.12%)
LD: 692,932 (24.07%)
Lab: 564,581 (19.61%)
UKIP: 123,177 (4.28%)
BNP: 59,505 (2.07%)
Green: 42,677 (1.48%)
Eng Dem: 8,390 (0.29%)
Others: 31,055 (1.08%)
East Midlands:
Con: 915,933 (41.18%)
Lab: 661,869 (29.76%)
LD: 463,068 (20.82%)
UKIP: 72,659 (3.27%)
BNP: 69,706 (3.13%)
Green: 11,667 (0.52%)
Eng Dem: 8,641 (0.39%)
Others: 20,736 (0.93%)
Greater London:
Lab: 1,245,627 (36.62%)
Con: 1,174,568 (34.53%)
LD: 751,571 (22.10%)
UKIP: 59,452 (1.75%)
Green: 54,316 (1.60%)
BNP: 52,095 (1.53%)
Eng Dem: 9,076 (0.27%)
West Midlands:
Con: 1,044,081 (39.68%)
Lab: 808,104 (30.71%)
LD: 540,290 (20.53%)
UKIP: 105,685 (4.02%)
BNP: 73,394 (2.79%)
Green: 14,996 (0.57%)
Eng Dem: 2,289 (0.09%)
Others: 42,710 (1.62%)
Yorkshire & The Humber:
Lab: 826,537 (34.36%)
Con: 790,062 (32.84%)
LD: 551,740 (22.94%)
BNP: 104,167 (4.33%)
UKIP: 68,378 (2.84%)
Green: 20,824 (0.87%)
Eng Dem: 11,722 (0.49%)
Others: 32,139 (1.34%)0 -
Mr. Palmer, were the firemen striking where you are?0
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This is one of the least abusive political forums that i know of, perhaps because of the betting slant.
On fireworks: there do seem to be fewer this year. Diwali was quieter than usual (a big event in Leicester)
Is it simply the damp and stormy weather on the particular weekends?
Off to burn a Catholic in effigy tonight myself though! It really is a very non PC event.NickPalmer said:Morose thread this morning! I've had a share of abuse over the years here, but as others have said it's less than most forums and the predominant tone still seems to me to be affable at personal level. agree with SCK that not replying to abuse (or saying something light-hearted back) is a good policy. In the last resort it doesn't really matter if some anonymous bloke sneers at you.
On another subject - as an MP I always found fireworks nuisance to be big deal at this tinme of year - dozens of people would write every year that both they and their pets were terrified by bangs into the early hours every night for weeks. They felt they could have lived with big bangs on ov 5, but the habit had grown to do it for week after week. Maybe it's because I'm out of office but I've not heard anything about it this year. Are people noticing less of it?0 -
Nick - I've seen far less evidence of fireworks in general this year. The first ones I heard at all were last night. I have moved house since last year so it's not a like-for-like comparison but I would agree that their use seems to be falling. Maybe the fact that it's probably harder for youths with no great motivation but some ill-intent to buy them has something to do with it. How many corner shops or newsagents stock them these days? Indeed, how many old-fashioned corner shops are there now? I've only seen fireworks for sale at counters in major supermarkets, and then it's something like £20 for a pack of big rockets.0
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The figures serve also to destroy the myth of the absence of Tories in the north while confirming the truth of the absence of Labour in the south, except for London.AndyJS said:These figures used to be available in publications like The Times Guide to the House of Commons but recently they've stopped bothering to do them, so I've had a go myself.
2010 election — results for each English region:
Eastern:
Con: 1,356,740 (47.12%)
LD: 692,932 (24.07%)
Lab: 564,581 (19.61%)
UKIP: 123,177 (4.28%)
BNP: 59,505 (2.07%)
Green: 42,677 (1.48%)
Eng Dem: 8,390 (0.29%)
Others: 31,055 (1.08%)
East Midlands:
Con: 915,933 (41.18%)
Lab: 661,869 (29.76%)
LD: 463,068 (20.82%)
UKIP: 72,659 (3.27%)
BNP: 69,706 (3.13%)
Green: 11,667 (0.52%)
Eng Dem: 8,641 (0.39%)
Others: 20,736 (0.93%)
Greater London:
Lab: 1,245,627 (36.62%)
Con: 1,174,568 (34.53%)
LD: 751,571 (22.10%)
UKIP: 59,452 (1.75%)
Green: 54,316 (1.60%)
BNP: 52,095 (1.53%)
Eng Dem: 9,076 (0.27%)
Others: 54,491 (1.60%)
North East:
Lab: 518,261 (43.23%)
Con: 282,347 (23.55%)
LD: 280,468 (23.39%)
BNP: 51,940 (4.33%)
UKIP: 32,196 (2.69%)
Green: 3,787 (0.32%)
Eng Dem: 1,456 (0.12%)
Others: 28,504 (2.38%)
North West:
Lab: 1,289,978 (39.41%)
Con: 1,038,767 (31.74%)
LD: 707,770 (21.62%)
UKIP: 103,782 (3.17%)
BNP: 70,032 (2.14%)
Green: 17,046 (0.52%)
Eng Dem: 4,533 (0.14%)
Others: 41,122 (1.26%)
South East:
Con: 2,118,035 (49.32%)
LD: 1,124,786 (26.19%)
Lab: 697,567 (16.24%)
UKIP: 177,260 (4.13%)
Green: 62,120 (1.45%)
BNP: 30,618 (0.71%)
Eng Dem: 15,442 (0.36%)
Others: 68,399 (1.59%)
South West:
Con: 1,187,637 (42.82%)
LD: 962,954 (34.72%)
Lab: 426,910 (15.39%)
UKIP: 123,975 (4.47%)
Green: 31,517 (1.14%)
BNP: 20,866 (0.75%)
Eng Dem: 3,277 (0.12%)
Others: 16,307 (0.59%)
West Midlands:
Con: 1,044,081 (39.68%)
Lab: 808,104 (30.71%)
LD: 540,290 (20.53%)
UKIP: 105,685 (4.02%)
BNP: 73,394 (2.79%)
Green: 14,996 (0.57%)
Eng Dem: 2,289 (0.09%)
Others: 42,710 (1.62%)
Yorkshire & The Humber:
Lab: 826,537 (34.36%)
Con: 790,062 (32.84%)
LD: 551,740 (22.94%)
BNP: 104,167 (4.33%)
UKIP: 68,378 (2.84%)
Green: 20,824 (0.87%)
Eng Dem: 11,722 (0.49%)
Others: 32,139 (1.34%)0 -
"It is believed leveraging started in late 2011 and is a carefully considered campaign designed to ‘get around’ laws brought in under Margaret Thatcher to curb picketing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483809/Unite-thugs-targeted-60-firms-Militants-unleashed-family-homes-hotels-charity-fun-run.html#ixzz2jTZyRqUA
Not sure it does:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1992/52/section/241
(1)A person commits an offence who, with a view to compelling another person to abstain from doing or to do any act which that person has a legal right to do or abstain from doing, wrongfully and without legal authority—
(a)uses violence to or intimidates that person or his [F1spouse or civil partner]F1 or children, or injures his property.......
(d)watches or besets the house or other place where that person resides, works, carries on business or happens to be, or the approach to any such house or place, or
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George Eaton New Statesman:
"The seven-year rule: why Labour doesn't think Cameron will save the Tories in 2015
History shows that after seven years at the top, politicians' ratings go into decline - and Cameron can't afford to lose votes in 2015."
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@Foxy
"This is one of the least abusive political forums that i know of, perhaps because of the betting slant."
I agree. Anyway give me an abusive poster over a dull whiny one any day.
My objection to the site is the moderator whose user name we're not allowed to know (which is itself Kafkaesque). I understand an internet site can't afford a libel lawyer so erring on the side of caution is understandable.
Nonetheless the moderator on this site is so cautious and illogical that this site is often the only one on the internet not discussing subjects of the moment. It's NOT a difficult judgement call.
All they need to do is tap into the legal advice of bigger organs than Mike's such as any TV station or national newspaper and allow any comment that has appeared in those with a link.0 -
@RogerRoger said:@Foxy
"This is one of the least abusive political forums that i know of, perhaps because of the betting slant."
I agree. Anyway give me an abusive poster over a dull whiny one any day.
My objection to the site is the moderator whose user name we're not allowed to know (which is itself Kafkaesque). I understand an internet site can't afford a libel lawyer so erring on the side of caution is understandable.
Nonetheless the moderator on this site is so cautious and illogical that this site is often the only one on the internet not discussing subjects of the moment. It's NOT a difficult judgement call.
All they need to do is tap into the legal advice of bigger organs than Mike's such as any TV station or national newspaper and allow any comment that has appeared in those with a link.
As OGH would say if you are unhappy with his site then you can always take your custom elsewhere.
You ignore the fact that media organisations have lawyers on tap and usually in-house who can advise on the likelihood of being sued for libel - and even they get it wrong sometimes or the proprietor/editor chooses to ignore their advice.
Mike does not have such an expensive luxury and the legal costs of having to defend a libel charge in court would be ruinous to him and his family.
If he did allow a direct quote from a newspaper with the direct link, then no comment on that quote would be allowable as we all know that certain people who constantly inhabit this site are completely unable to control themselves and so get banned. So for Mike it cannot be worth the risk.
Of course, if you were to put up a personal guarantee of say £10m plus the associated disclaimer absolving Mike from all responsibility for what you may say, then things conceivably may be possible - but it is Mike's site. If you are not happy, start up your own and we all can comment on it.
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