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  • Just 24 per cent of people are satisfied with the Labour leader, while 60 per cent say the opposite. At the end of 2012, some 40 per cent of the public were satisfied with him.

    Mr Clegg’s latest figures are 24 per cent satisfied and 64 per cent dissatisfied. Mr Cameron’s are 36 satisfied and 56 dissatisfied.
  • tim said:

    DavidL said:

    tim said:

    @DavidL

    Chris Dillow ‏@CJFDillow 1h
    Jobs in "real estate activities" have risen 15.9% in last year, accounting for 18.9% of all net new jobs. Construction jobs have been flat

    Matthew Pointon ‏@matpointon 1h
    Between Jun 12 and Jun 13, @statisticsONS says people working in 'real estate activities' increased by 77,000.


    Bubble Boy needs to dump this Help To Buy crap ASAP.

    It would be great if the housebuilding part of construction was going so well in every part of the country by early next year that this help was not required. I just fear that your natural sunny optimism is getting ahead of you a little here.

    You could point to the PMIs for construction which have reported that housebuilding is the most rapidly expanding part of construction and that the prospects for future employment in the sector are improving very rapidly but I still think you are overstating the argument just a touch.

    We agree that we need a lot more houses. Given the massive falls in the real price of housing since 2006 I think that George can afford to take a little time yet to be persuaded that this particular legacy has been fixed.
    Fiona Walsh ‏@_fionawalsh 13m
    Return of the estate agent - MT @heatherstewart3 Extraordinary 9.9% rise in no of people employed in "real estate activities" in q2

    A ten per cent rise in estate agents in one bloody quarter, how much more evidence do you need that there's a bubble coming.

    May have to put off the cat cull for a while and take care of the shiny-suited hair-product- doused vermin instead.
    Maybe they were previously classified as working in FE colleges?
  • Still, there's some good news for Ed.

    Roger is going to vote for him.
  • Still, there's some good news for Ed.

    Roger is going to vote for him.

    this is the better news for the Ed, he's no IDS

    His net satisfaction rating of -36 (% satisfied minus % dissatisfied) is his lowest ever, in line with the lowest scored by Mr Duncan-Smith and Mr Hague (-37).
  • Still, there's some good news for Ed.

    Roger is going to vote for him.

    Roger was predicting an uptick in Milibands ratings..

    Poor old Ed, the kiss of death for him..

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    How long ago IOS confident prediction of "substantially positive" MORI ratings for Ed seems now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,188
    edited September 2013
    Neil said:

    How long ago IOS confident prediction of "substantially positive" MORI ratings for Ed seems now.

    Trap's gone, he's was never the same since I backed Ireland at Euro 2012 and them to beat Germany.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Farron is an excellent choice if Lib Dems want to pull some of their lost voters back.But given their record,not more than a couple of points` gain from Labour I think as the ones who have left seem to be to the left of even some Labour voters.
  • Before the certainty to vote filter, the Labour lead is 10%
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,742
    edited September 2013
    I don't know enough about the classifications but I wonder if the ONS classifications for "real estate activities" would cover surveyors, planners, roads consultants, quantity surveyors, drainage engineers etc. The sort of people developers have not had much use for in the last few years but will need if they are going to build more houses?

    On the Ipsos Mori report it is not quite the lethal poll I hypothesised for Ed a week ago but it is not doing him any favours.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    To me Farron makes sense as a stop gap to try and prevent a massacre in 2015. However if the Lib Dems want to be a serious party of government they need a leader who looks prime ministerial. Farron ain't that. He's a good campaigner I'm sure but he might be exposed as leader. I think Lamb would be the better choice between the two but surely if Clegg goes before 2015, Vince would be the obvious option, whatever his ties to the coalition.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited September 2013

    tim said:

    DavidL said:

    tim said:

    @DavidL

    Chris Dillow ‏@CJFDillow 1h
    Jobs in "real estate activities" have risen 15.9% in last year, accounting for 18.9% of all net new jobs. Construction jobs have been flat

    Matthew Pointon ‏@matpointon 1h
    Between Jun 12 and Jun 13, @statisticsONS says people working in 'real estate activities' increased by 77,000.


    Bubble Boy needs to dump this Help To Buy crap ASAP.

    It would be great if the housebuilding part of construction was going so well in every part of the country by early next year that this help was not required. I just fear that your natural sunny optimism is getting ahead of you a little here.

    You could point to the PMIs for construction which have reported that housebuilding is the most rapidly expanding part of construction and that the prospects for future employment in the sector are improving very rapidly but I still think you are overstating the argument just a touch.

    We agree that we need a lot more houses. Given the massive falls in the real price of housing since 2006 I think that George can afford to take a little time yet to be persuaded that this particular legacy has been fixed.
    Fiona Walsh ‏@_fionawalsh 13m
    Return of the estate agent - MT @heatherstewart3 Extraordinary 9.9% rise in no of people employed in "real estate activities" in q2

    A ten per cent rise in estate agents in one bloody quarter, how much more evidence do you need that there's a bubble coming.

    May have to put off the cat cull for a while and take care of the shiny-suited hair-product- doused vermin instead.
    Maybe they were previously classified as working in FE colleges?
    Turns out my colleague worked as an estate agent yeeears ago (and he seems like such a nice chap).

    Anyway, he wasn't that surprised as apparently that line of work is highly seasonal. Many independents close for the month before xmas, and all estate agents hire additional staff for the summer months when sales are at their highest because of the weather and the holidays.

    So a large chunk of that rise may well have vanished by the end of the year.
  • Neil said:

    How long ago IOS confident prediction of "substantially positive" MORI ratings for Ed seems now.

    He's having a great 2013 though...
  • This is but one poll.

    But another poll with Labour's lead slipping but still in the 36-40% zone
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Ed leading on living standards. No brainer. But there is a lot of economic +ves which tend to outweigh the message. To say nothing of the delivery.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott
    Oh noooo -groan. It's the "millionaire tax cut" again. @Ed_Miliband looking really glum as Cameron lays into him #pmqs

    Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott
    Ed M sounding bit shrill on unemployment #pmqs Doggedly reiterating phrases like "choked off recovery" doesn't work when figures improving
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Ed actually a bit cringey at this point. He's not landing anything. He can be good but I think he's lost his confidence.

    And who can blame him.
  • Cameron is a smarmy, slippery git, no doubt. Ed Milliband is just plain crap, though.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Chicken run - that could have legs...
  • SeanT said:

    This is but one poll.

    But another poll with Labour's lead slipping but still in the 36-40% zone

    It's not just one poll. It's a trend which has been discernible since the middle of last summer. Tory vote slowly firming, Labour gradually falling.

    Whether this will continue, and whether it's enough to give Cameron a plurality or a majority is entirely moot. But the trend is now undeniable, and lefties who comfort themselves that they remain in the 36-40 envelope are fools.

    And Ed Miliband is crap.
    I know, but a 7% change is exceptional.

    And yes, Ed is crap, I know that, you know that, the UK public know that but a handful of PBers are well, like a river in Egypt when it comes to Ed
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,742
    Economic optimism has risen from a net -30 in March to a new high of +23 this month.

    In some ways it is surprising that such a dramatic change has only reduced the Labour lead from about 10 to 3. It may be a leading indicator of course.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    tim said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Ipsos-MORI headline figures just those certain to vote
    Amongst all those sampled by LAB lead 10
    See http://t.co/ehp7Mthk3B

    That had the PB Tories going for a while.Now they are having to go back to talking about Ed!
  • Labour need a new economic message for PMQs. This one is done... Cameron will just have stats after stats to throw at him from now on in.

    Although the 'cost of living' line might work better outside the house, and it's one the tories need to think about carefully.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    EdM appears to think Gove is Children's Sec - he's said it twice so not a slip.
  • Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 2m
    There you go, EdM roadtests new soundbite: 'he's a Two Nation Prime Minister'. Will that feature in 2015 by any chance?

    That's really, really weak.. Miliband needs a better line than that.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    CourtNewsUK @CourtNewsUK
    Unison the union in court over claims they cancelled keynote speaker after learning he was Israeli
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Oh gawd .... I thought blood sports were restricted !!

    Someone put Ed out of his misery !! .... Er .... but not before May 2015 !!
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    DavidL said:

    I don't know enough about the classifications but I wonder if the ONS classifications for "real estate activities" would cover surveyors, planners, roads consultants, quantity surveyors, drainage engineers etc.

    I'm involved in a big data centre build project right now. There are quite a few people on good money on this project who do all of the jobs you list (including roads) and all would probably tick "real estate activities" in the absence of a closer box. So I suspect that you're spot on with your point about classifications.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Last month's Ipsos Mori Scottish sub sample had Conservatives at 34% . This month has them in the lead in Scotland at 35% with Labour in Scotland at 18% . Dustbin file .
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 2m
    There you go, EdM roadtests new soundbite: 'he's a Two Nation Prime Minister'. Will that feature in 2015 by any chance?

    That's really, really weak.. Miliband needs a better line than that.

    You would say that...It ain`t the best but fits in with the fall in wages even there appears to be growth and fall in unemployment.The middle class and poor are yet to see an improvement while the private companies and the top 1% are seeing profits rise.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,188
    edited September 2013

    Last month's Ipsos Mori Scottish sub sample had Conservatives at 34% . This month has them in the lead in Scotland at 35% with Labour in Scotland at 18% . Dustbin file .

    It's a trend.

    Con gain Banff & Buchan and Glasgow East
  • Hmm. Seems the banking union in the EU will begin (or at least the first foundations will be laid) in the near future:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24045818
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    haha soundbite of the session....
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    What`s with the glasses-Cam looks like Douglas Hurd!
  • Last month's Ipsos Mori Scottish sub sample had Conservatives at 34% . This month has them in the lead in Scotland at 35% with Labour in Scotland at 18% . Dustbin file


    Maybe the tories should not be pushing for English votes for English issues too much!!
  • Hmm. Seems the banking union in the EU will begin (or at least the first foundations will be laid) in the near future:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24045818

    Obviously Barroso wants one, that doesn't mean he'll get one...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,742

    Last month's Ipsos Mori Scottish sub sample had Conservatives at 34% . This month has them in the lead in Scotland at 35% with Labour in Scotland at 18% . Dustbin file .

    And they never even asked me. Amazing. Tories gain Glasgow North? Probably not even on those figures.

  • So it's the wrong kind of employment and the wrong kind of growth?
  • Poor Gloria del Piero
  • SMukesh said:

    What`s with the glasses-Cam looks like Douglas Hurd!

    Oh god..thats just pure tim-bait you know...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Oh my! Gloria won't be asking Twitter for suggestions for her PMQs in future - that was brilliant rebuttal from Cameron.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 2m
    There you go, EdM roadtests new soundbite: 'he's a Two Nation Prime Minister'. Will that feature in 2015 by any chance?

    That's really, really weak.. Miliband needs a better line than that.

    Strictly speaking correct.

    In addition to the Province of Ulster we have England (including Wales) and Scotland.

  • Unison the union in court over claims they cancelled keynote speaker after learning he was Israeli

    if true then they need to change their xenophobic views and come into the 21st century
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    OK this is just bullying I'm beginning to feel sorry for Ed. EdB also untypically not gurning.

    Oh dear.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    edited September 2013
    `He pulled it faster than a Bournemeouth deck-chair`-Cam

    Labour MP`s taking the mick by going `Ha Ha Ha`

    I wonder why Cam needs to expose his complete lack of ability crack jokes in this way.Public self-flagellation!
  • I’ve helped in elections against Farron in Cumbria, so I know he’s a very effective local campaigner. But a national leader? Honestly, do you really think so? He looks and sounds lightweight. Whenever he’s come up against a competent interrogator like Andrew Neill he falls flat on his face. Miliband and Cameron would make mincemeat of him. To ever choose him in preference to (say) Alexander, Browne or Laws would be a sign that the Libdems wanted to slip back to the 1960s era of pavement politics and give up any pretence to being a party of government.
  • said:
    @MSmithsonPB: Ipsos-MORI headline figures just those certain to vote
    Amongst all those sampled by LAB lead 10
    See http://t.co/ehp7Mthk3B

    Well if people don't vote they are not relevant to a general election so the lead is 3% isn't it.?
  • Mr. Fernando, welcome (back) to pb.com. Are you the chap of the same name who posted a little while ago?

    If so, welcome back, and if not, commiserations on your new Finnish team mate.
  • Cameron is on form. No one's laid a glove on him yet. Which is barmy, considering the many genuine targets that Labour could get him on.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Labour asked the same question 5 times and got nowhere. Not effective.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott
    Not sure if ppl watching on TV can see @Ed_Miliband 's anxious defensive body language. Would like to see it analysed by an expert
  • dr_spyn said:


    "I know what you're thinking: "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44."

    Kinda difficult to lose track of how many shots a Liberator has fired (especially if it broke after its first firing).

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Another LD anti Israel question - nothing better to talk about.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    said:
    @MSmithsonPB: Ipsos-MORI headline figures just those certain to vote
    Amongst all those sampled by LAB lead 10
    See http://t.co/ehp7Mthk3B

    Well if people don't vote they are not relevant to a general election so the lead is 3% isn't it.?

    Nope because we all expect the turnout at the next GE to be higher than 46% . It is far more realistic to take the figures in the data tables for those 7 to 10/10 likely to vote which would give a GE turnout of around 65% Con 32 Lab 38 LD 11 UKIP 10
  • Dave really doesn't like George Galloway.
  • Plato said:


    Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshott
    Not sure if ppl watching on TV can see @Ed_Miliband 's anxious defensive body language. Would like to see it analysed by an expert

    tim - over to you
  • TGOHF said:

    Another LD anti Israel question - nothing better to talk about.

    URW will be turning in his grave
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    TGOHF said:

    Another LD anti Israel question - nothing better to talk about.

    TGOHF said:

    Another LD anti Israel question - nothing better to talk about.

    Much more importantly is it true ??

    The PM hardly defended Israeli resettlement policies.

  • Richard - Tim is much better on hairstyle analysis
  • http://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/Sept13_PolMon_charts.pdf

    Slide 11.

    I remember the fuss over the 1 dp where Milliband was above Cameron at the same stage.

    How's that working out for you now?

    Slide 13.

    One word summary? OOOF

    Slide 27.

    One word summary? Rejoice.
  • Odd of George Galloway to cite Churchill, of all people, in support of appeasement.
  • New Thread
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Kinda difficult to lose track of how many shots a Liberator has fired (especially if it broke after its first firing).

    Although the original Liberator was single shot and discard, the product development and reliability improvements have been excellent. Rifle2.0 can fire 14 shots without cracking, and there's a semi-automatic on the way.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,742
    What has happened to Ed? A few months ago he frequently had Cameron on the ropes, struggling over details and getting very red faced. That was just embarrassing, and not for the first time recently.

    Not a good way to go to what might prove a difficult conference.
  • Two brilliant days for EdM..
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    Interesting that all the Lib Dem leadership briefings against Teather focused on her voting record on gay marriage, putting down a marker against Farron.

    Indeed it is and I pointed it out at the time. Farron would stuggle mightily against a vicious onslaught like Teather has had.

    It will also be a factor whether Clegg decides to try for a suicidal stint as leader at the election campaign or the lib dems finally wake up and realise just how catastrophic calamity Clegg would be for them during campaign. Lib dem leadership battles are extremely vicious despite the pious posturing from their spinners.

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