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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Following the SNPs loss of its Holyrood majority last week ex-party boss Salmond says the voting system unfair

Alex Salmond, whose SNP lost its Holyrood majority last week, moans about the unfairness of voting system. https://t.co/QPxrOSR3S2

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  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    First
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Second like the Tories in Scotland.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    3-0 Sunderland
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    He's got some neck has Alex.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Jake_Wilde: George Orwell predicts the anti-Labour alliance in the Welsh Assembly https://t.co/eRRdJAonha
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Ooh a thread on electoral voting systems.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Happy 70th Birthday Mike

    Also the 6th anniversary of the coalition forming.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Happy 70th Birthday Mike

    Also the 6th anniversary of the coalition forming.

    When are the birthday honours announced?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Scott_P said:

    @Jake_Wilde: George Orwell predicts the anti-Labour alliance in the Welsh Assembly https://t.co/eRRdJAonha

    All I can foresee is a Labour deal with the Lib Dems, sorry Lib Dem.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE

    It takes a heart of stone!

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @LadPolitics: Wonder if anyone would have a bet on this if we put some odds up? https://t.co/eJELhqFejt
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Scott_P said:

    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE

    Brittanic People's Front or Popular Brittanic Front?
  • Max_EdinburghMax_Edinburgh Posts: 347
    I suspect that secretly Mr Salmond was more than happy to see that he was able to win a majority and Nicola Sturgeon couldn't.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    MarqueeMark said:

    He's got some neck has Alex.

    From that picture, at least a couple of them.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    welshowl said:

    Scott_P said:

    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE

    Brittanic People's Front or Popular Brittanic Front?
    If there is no FM, how soon before a second election?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited May 2016
    What was the thundering phrase Salmond used repeatedly during the SEXIT (Scottish exit) debate?

    Something like: "The sovereign will of the Scottish people" wasn't it?
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    A very happy birthday Mike, what's left of this special one and many more of them.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    welshowl said:

    Scott_P said:

    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE

    Brittanic People's Front or Popular Brittanic Front?
    Whatever happened to Kilroy-Silk? Actually, after writing that, I find I really couldn't give a tinker's cuss.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Show me a bad loser and I'll show you a loser.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited May 2016
    foxinsoxuk said:

    welshowl said:

    Scott_P said:

    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE

    Brittanic People's Front or Popular Brittanic Front?
    If there is no FM, how soon before a second election?
    They have 28 days. Then the Welsh Sec can call new elections. June 23rd might fit (!). Seriously they'll cobble something together I'd think with a couple of Lab concessions. I just want an M4 relief road whoever's in power.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    His suggestion would ensure the SNP would not have won a majority, to be fair. I don't know if her realises that.
    If, as he suggests, there's a national list rather than a regional one, the results would have been:
    SNP 59
    Cons 30
    Lab 24
    Green 8
    LD 6
    UKIP 2

    Even if the SNP had actually scored as many votes on the list as they actually did on the constituency vote, they'd still have ended up with fewer seats thanbthey did under the current system.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited May 2016
    Andy_Cooke said:

    His suggestion would ensure the SNP would not have won a majority, to be fair. I don't know if her realises that.
    If, as he suggests, there's a national list rather than a regional one, the results would have been:
    SNP 59
    Cons 30
    Lab 24
    Green 8
    LD 6
    UKIP 2

    Even if the SNP had actually scored as many votes on the list as they actually did on the constituency vote, they'd still have ended up with fewer seats thanbthey did under the current system.

    And this is why I keep coming back to this site. Bravo.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    SNP critical thread ....

    Incoming turnips ....
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,196
    Max_Edinburgh said:

    I suspect that secretly Mr Salmond was more than happy to see that he was able to win a majority and Nicola Sturgeon couldn't.

    Yup. And complaining about the unfairness of the voting system on her behalf just rubs it in.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    In short, his complaint is based on the fact that he actually got lucky onnthe current system in 2007; any fairness measures would actually ensure that on 46.5% of the vote, Sturgeon would NOT get over 50% of the seats.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Best wishes Mike. Hope you've had a good one.

    (What a cheeky post, too - love it!)
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    MarqueeMark said:

    3-0 Sunderland

    Newcastle and Norwich (where you have to feel sorry for their recently appointed Chairman) both look down and Everton's Martinez looks out.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    When dog whistles go wrong:

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/news/74883/david-cameron-apologises

    Poor stuff from the Tories.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited May 2016
    JackW said:

    SNP critical thread ....

    Incoming turnips ....

    Tories
    Undermining
    Righteous
    Nationalistic
    Independence
    Plan

    Long may we endure!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Happy birthday Mike.
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    welshowl said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    welshowl said:

    Scott_P said:

    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE

    Brittanic People's Front or Popular Brittanic Front?
    If there is no FM, how soon before a second election?
    They have 28 days. Then the Welsh Sec can call new elections. June 23rd might fit (!). Seriously they'll cobble something together I'd think with a couple of Lab concessions. I just want an M4 relief road whoever's in power.
    Yes, because building more roads has always managed to relieve congestion in the past.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    3-0 Sunderland

    Newcastle and Norwich (where you have to feel sorry for their recently appointed Chairman) both look down and Everton's Martinez looks out.
    Norwich have choked at all the critical moments. They have only themselves to blame. Ah well, at least we get to play Ipswich next season.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Bromptonaut said:

    welshowl said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    welshowl said:

    Scott_P said:

    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE

    Brittanic People's Front or Popular Brittanic Front?
    If there is no FM, how soon before a second election?
    They have 28 days. Then the Welsh Sec can call new elections. June 23rd might fit (!). Seriously they'll cobble something together I'd think with a couple of Lab concessions. I just want an M4 relief road whoever's in power.
    Yes, because building more roads has always managed to relieve congestion in the past.
    Well, yes. (???)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SouthamObserver said:

    When dog whistles go wrong:

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/news/74883/david-cameron-apologises

    Poor stuff from the Tories.

    In deference of not using block quotes here are some italics

    A Number 10 spokesman said: "In reference to the Prime Minister's comments on Suliman Gani, the Prime Minister was referring to reports that he supports an Islamic state.

    "The Prime Minister is clear this does not mean Mr Gani supports the organisation Daesh and he apologises to him for any misunderstanding."

    Hmmm, lets see what David Cameron said

    This man supports IS.

    Of course, clearly short hand for "According to inaccurate reports that I have not verified the validity of, I am lead to believe that he supports Daesh"
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,235
    Happy birthday OGH.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    AlastairMeeks said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    3-0 Sunderland

    Newcastle and Norwich (where you have to feel sorry for their recently appointed Chairman) both look down and Everton's Martinez looks out.
    Norwich have choked at all the critical moments. They have only themselves to blame. Ah well, at least we get to play Ipswich next season.
    Beat Ipswich, I think you mean...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Andy_Cooke said:

    His suggestion would ensure the SNP would not have won a majority, to be fair. I don't know if her realises that.
    If, as he suggests, there's a national list rather than a regional one, the results would have been:
    SNP 59
    Cons 30
    Lab 24
    Green 8
    LD 6
    UKIP 2

    Even if the SNP had actually scored as many votes on the list as they actually did on the constituency vote, they'd still have ended up with fewer seats thanbthey did under the current system.

    I think he's complaining about the fact that effectively an SNP voter in the south of Scotland has more power than one in Glasgow wrt their second preference.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,739
    I think the header is highly tendentious. He didn't say it was unfair in the link I read. And he repeatedly said a list system is more fair.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    3-0 Sunderland

    Newcastle and Norwich (where you have to feel sorry for their recently appointed Chairman) both look down and Everton's Martinez looks out.
    Ed Balls really has had a bastard of a year...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Rumour has it that OGH painted the town yellow in a fashion not seen since the Bourbon monarchs partied down at the Versailles Palace raves and all funded by Mike having to cash in his not insubstantial sale of shares in the Belgravia Hair Centre.

    Some gig .... :smile:

    Happy 70th Mighty Smithson.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,193
    At least I don't work with any Mackems or Smoggies these days.

    Big Sam does it again.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    3-0 Sunderland

    Newcastle and Norwich (where you have to feel sorry for their recently appointed Chairman) both look down and Everton's Martinez looks out.
    Norwich have choked at all the critical moments. They have only themselves to blame. Ah well, at least we get to play Ipswich next season.
    Beat Ipswich, I think you mean...
    That was implicit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Anorak said:

    JackW said:

    SNP critical thread ....

    Incoming turnips ....

    Tories
    Undermining
    Righteous
    Nationalistic
    Independence
    Plan

    Long may we endure!
    :smiley:
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    London-based shock jock and Wastemonster trougher Salmond should keep his snout out of Holyrood affairs.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    Happy birthday, Mike!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    This might actually be watchable for a change

    @bbcquestiontime: This week's #bbcqt panel in Aberdeen: @DavidMundellDCT @kezdugdale @HumzaYousaf @NaeFear @MerrynSW https://t.co/RzLvaJSqOv
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    Has Trump reversed his pro Brexit view too ?? .... :sunglasses:
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    This is nice

    @bpolitics: .@HBO #Newsroom anchor Will McAvoy is back, and he has a lot to say about Trump and Clinton https://t.co/gJ3YCHyjHT https://t.co/kxOCMpo1MP
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Alistair said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    When dog whistles go wrong:

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/david-cameron/news/74883/david-cameron-apologises

    Poor stuff from the Tories.

    In deference of not using block quotes here are some italics

    A Number 10 spokesman said: "In reference to the Prime Minister's comments on Suliman Gani, the Prime Minister was referring to reports that he supports an Islamic state.

    "The Prime Minister is clear this does not mean Mr Gani supports the organisation Daesh and he apologises to him for any misunderstanding."

    Hmmm, lets see what David Cameron said

    This man supports IS.

    Of course, clearly short hand for "According to inaccurate reports that I have not verified the validity of, I am lead to believe that he supports Daesh"

    Yep, pretty disgraceful really.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_P said:

    This might actually be watchable for a change

    @bbcquestiontime: This week's #bbcqt panel in Aberdeen: @DavidMundellDCT @kezdugdale @HumzaYousaf @NaeFear @MerrynSW https://t.co/RzLvaJSqOv

    You think something with Jim Sillars on it will be watchable?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/richesoliver/status/730498224750997504
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    AlastairMeeks said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    3-0 Sunderland

    Newcastle and Norwich (where you have to feel sorry for their recently appointed Chairman) both look down and Everton's Martinez looks out.
    Norwich have choked at all the critical moments. They have only themselves to blame. Ah well, at least we get to play Ipswich next season.
    Beat Ipswich, I think you mean...
    That was implicit.
    34 points is perfectly respectable.
    Villa heading for League 1 judging by how awful they were.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    JackW said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    Has Trump reversed his pro Brexit view too ?? .... :sunglasses:
    He's got some things right....
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Alistair said:

    You think something with Jim Sillars on it will be watchable?

    I think him and Humza tearing lumps out of each other could be good sport
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited May 2016
    Just when you thought it was safe to come out from behind the sofa......

    Brexit 'Threatens Gibraltar's Security'

    The Foreign Secretary says leaving would be as big a threat to the Rock's security and sovereignty as "traditional threats".

    http://news.sky.com/story/1694232/brexit-threatens-gibraltars-security

    Will it be the catalyst for WW3 though?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Many happy returns Mike!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    The predicted switcharoo is well underway. He has also come out in favour of higher taxes for wealthy & higher minimum wage in the past few days.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    For fun - if they'd used a national list in 2007, they'd have ended up with:
    SNP 59
    Lab 35
    Con 16
    LD 7
    Green 5
    Independent 2
    Scottish Senior Citizens 1
    UKIP 1
    Socialist Labour 1
    Scottish Christian 1
    BNP 1
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    edited May 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    3-0 Sunderland

    Newcastle and Norwich (where you have to feel sorry for their recently appointed Chairman) both look down and Everton's Martinez looks out.
    Norwich have choked at all the critical moments. They have only themselves to blame. Ah well, at least we get to play Ipswich next season.
    Beat Ipswich, I think you mean...
    That was implicit.
    34 points is perfectly respectable.
    Villa heading for League 1 judging by how awful they were.
    Wouldn't surprise me if Newcastle are with them. Who would want to go to either of those clubs as a career move? They are going to be stuck with what they've got. And those players didn't want to be there when they were in the Premiership, they sure as hell aren't going to be motivated to get back there...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,851
    Happy 70th birthday, Mike!
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Anorak said:

    Bromptonaut said:

    welshowl said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    welshowl said:

    Scott_P said:

    @hattmarris84: LISTEN: War of words continues in UKIP as Neil Hamilton brands Farage "Kim-Jong Nige"" https://t.co/6F0pmWIcdT https://t.co/QpHq2TYCaE

    Brittanic People's Front or Popular Brittanic Front?
    If there is no FM, how soon before a second election?
    They have 28 days. Then the Welsh Sec can call new elections. June 23rd might fit (!). Seriously they'll cobble something together I'd think with a couple of Lab concessions. I just want an M4 relief road whoever's in power.
    Yes, because building more roads has always managed to relieve congestion in the past.
    Well, yes. (???)
    Think this was a reference to Braess' paradox
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    The predicted switcharoo is well underway. He has also come out in favour of higher taxes for wealthy & higher minimum wage in the past few days.
    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Telegraph reporting Cameron says no to go debates on eu ref.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    Many happy returns Mike. Your work in providing this site is genuinely appreciated and we should all probably say so more often.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,533
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Telegraph reporting Cameron says no to go debates on eu ref.

    Leave it to Osborne....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    foxinsoxuk said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    The predicted switcharoo is well underway. He has also come out in favour of higher taxes for wealthy & higher minimum wage in the past few days.
    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
    The question is what does the boss really believe....
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/richesoliver/status/730498224750997504

    To be honest I'm still not seeing any evidence of SNP-to_Con switching as opposed to SNP stay-at-home-voters and Tory Surge accounting for Turnout increases.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Telegraph reporting Cameron says no to go debates on eu ref.

    coward...or just trying to salvage what little political capital he has left...?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    The predicted switcharoo is well underway. He has also come out in favour of higher taxes for wealthy & higher minimum wage in the past few days.
    His economic play is being reworked by painfully mainstream Republican economy type people from CUP (Centre for Unleashing Prosperity).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,851
    edited May 2016
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/730399221485023232

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/730398575985889280
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited May 2016
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Beat Ipswich, I think you mean...

    Squeaky bum time.... tick tock.... etc etc
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Alistair said:

    To be honest I'm still not seeing any evidence of SNP-to_Con switching as opposed to SNP stay-at-home-voters and Tory Surge accounting for Turnout increases.

    Well there are two competing narratives then.

    Scenario 1. Voters who previously put a tick in the SNP box decided on this occasion at this election to vote for an alternative.

    Scenario 2. SNP voters, enthused by the referendum and the General election, though nah, can't be arsed this time, while voters who didn't bother previously got up off the couch specifically to put a tick in a Tory box.

    Choose whichever one helps you sleep better at night :)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/richesoliver/status/730498224750997504

    To be honest I'm still not seeing any evidence of SNP-to_Con switching as opposed to SNP stay-at-home-voters and Tory Surge accounting for Turnout increases.
    ACtually, I'm upgrading those graphs to actively misleading, you just can't take the 2015 Westmisnter vote for the roughly equivalent constiuency - there are some massive differences between them so trying to use 2015 vote totals is completely whack.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,998
    Casino_Royale said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/730399221485023232

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/730398575985889280

    They're trying to make it feel real, almost like they are guilt tripping the electorate into voting to Remain.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ScottyNational: Votes: Alex Salmond suggests small changes to Holyrood voting system-
    1 SNP vote =1 seat
    1 non-SNP vote =1 seat for an Alex Salmond portrait
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    The predicted switcharoo is well underway. He has also come out in favour of higher taxes for wealthy & higher minimum wage in the past few days.
    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
    The question is what does the boss really believe....
    Or indeed does he believe in anything? Apart from himself - the Boris Johnson of US politrix.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    foxinsoxuk said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    The predicted switcharoo is well underway. He has also come out in favour of higher taxes for wealthy & higher minimum wage in the past few days.
    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
    The question is what does the boss really believe....
    Or indeed does he believe in anything? Apart from himself - the Boris Johnson of US politrix.
    He believes in making America great again or so I heard once or twice ;-)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,851
    MarqueeMark said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Telegraph reporting Cameron says no to go debates on eu ref.

    Leave it to Osborne....
    Oh, please: let it be true.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,851
    https://twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/730060175768489985
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    ITV and Sky News have sorted out their EU Referendum debates

    http://news.sky.com/story/1694517/cameron-and-gove-in-eu-vote-shows-on-sky-news
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/730503329164439552
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ITV and Sky News have sorted out their EU Referendum debates

    http://news.sky.com/story/1694517/cameron-and-gove-in-eu-vote-shows-on-sky-news

    So as reported by telegraph no head to head debates.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Casino_Royale said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Telegraph reporting Cameron says no to go debates on eu ref.

    Leave it to Osborne....
    Oh, please: let it be true.
    I think the short list is May, Hammond, Fallon, or Soubry.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ITV and Sky News have sorted out their EU Referendum debates

    http://news.sky.com/story/1694517/cameron-and-gove-in-eu-vote-shows-on-sky-news

    So as reported by telegraph no head to head debates.
    Still waiting for the big BBC debate event format/attendees to be confirmed
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,998
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ITV and Sky News have sorted out their EU Referendum debates

    http://news.sky.com/story/1694517/cameron-and-gove-in-eu-vote-shows-on-sky-news

    I thought we'd seen the last of Kay Burley. :(
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Casino_Royale said:

    https://twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/730060175768489985

    Nice work if you can get it....
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Awkward....

    "The United States is investigating an international aid group headed by David Miliband over allegations of corruption in projects intended to help Syrian civilians and refugees. The International Rescue Committee (IRC) is one of three international groups to have had millions of pounds in funding withdrawn over alleged bid-rigging and bribery.

    Mr Miliband, a former foreign secretary, was appointed president and chief executive of the organisation in 2013, following his exit from Westminster politics."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/david-milibands-refugee-aid-group-in-corruption-probe/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ITV and Sky News have sorted out their EU Referendum debates

    http://news.sky.com/story/1694517/cameron-and-gove-in-eu-vote-shows-on-sky-news

    So as reported by telegraph no head to head debates.
    Still waiting for the big BBC debate event format/attendees to be confirmed
    Oh yeah the big Wembley jamboree.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Farage will not be in the deba... oh, shit.

    @PaulBrandITV: Wow, Farage versus PM on @ITV on 7th June. Though not strictly head to head, but via medium of audience Qs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Scott_P said:

    Farage will not be in the deba... oh, shit.

    @PaulBrandITV: Wow, Farage versus PM on @ITV on 7th June. Though not strictly head to head, but via medium of audience Qs.

    Why not Gove?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Happy birthday Mike
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,998
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ITV and Sky News have sorted out their EU Referendum debates

    http://news.sky.com/story/1694517/cameron-and-gove-in-eu-vote-shows-on-sky-news

    So as reported by telegraph no head to head debates.
    Still waiting for the big BBC debate event format/attendees to be confirmed
    Oh yeah the big Wembley jamboree.
    Good evening Wembley!!!!!!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Moses_ said:

    Awkward....

    "The United States is investigating an international aid group headed by David Miliband over allegations of corruption in projects intended to help Syrian civilians and refugees. The International Rescue Committee (IRC) is one of three international groups to have had millions of pounds in funding withdrawn over alleged bid-rigging and bribery.

    Mr Miliband, a former foreign secretary, was appointed president and chief executive of the organisation in 2013, following his exit from Westminster politics."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/david-milibands-refugee-aid-group-in-corruption-probe/

    Always wondered how they could afford that south Pacific island HQ...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    What I am not sure about in the Scottish system is the merits of having a series of top up MSPs selected from regional lists instead of a national one. It seems to encourage a disproportionate result and means that the value of the list vote varies considerably depending on what part of the country you are in. A list vote for the SNP in the West of Scotland region, for example, was a complete waste of time whilst a list vote in other areas was not.

    I think if we are to have top up MSPs to reflect the overall share of the vote we should just have a single vote which counts for both and then even out the votes per MSP on a national level.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Why not Gove?

    Gove is on the Sky show
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    I see Trump has downgraded his ban on Muslims coming to the US as "just a suggestion".

    Expect the Mexican Wall to be downgraded to "just inviting quotes from builders...."

    The predicted switcharoo is well underway. He has also come out in favour of higher taxes for wealthy & higher minimum wage in the past few days.
    The wall is already there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    edited May 2016
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Scott_P said:

    Farage will not be in the deba... oh, shit.

    @PaulBrandITV: Wow, Farage versus PM on @ITV on 7th June. Though not strictly head to head, but via medium of audience Qs.

    Why not Gove?
    There's an agreement for there not to be any blue on blue in the one on ones
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730504213105627136
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