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YouGov chart showing "trust on EU matters" from latest poll pic.twitter.com/vsB8AD8fHN

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  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    First? ;)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,942
    Broken, sleazy Trust on the slide.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,942
    MikeK said:

    First? ;)

    Like Leave on 23rd June? :smiley:
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,998
    Third like Spurs come Sunday night.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,805
    edited May 2016
    It seems strange that Obama's intervention hasn't helped Remain then, given that he is the least distrusted among DKs and SVs. Perhaps a good omen for the future though, when they stand in the polling booth and reflect on what they've heard.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Well the PM's ratings look grand, don't they? :)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    7th, way better than the UK at Eurovision...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,534
    Armenian lass has no face furniture. For those keeping count...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MarqueeMark said:

    Armenian lass has no face furniture. For those keeping count...

    Nobody looking at her face
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Remain better get Cameron out of the debate sharpish. Only Blair could challenge him in untrustworthiness.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/journodave/status/730121616601010176
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,534
    Cameron's legacy: The Boy Who Cried Wolf....
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/journodave/status/730121616601010176

    Snort.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    I wonder if the other Eurovision countries will throw some charity points our way this year, to try and convince us to Remain. Or is it wishful thinking?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,534
    Danny565 said:

    I wonder if the other Eurovision countries will throw some charity points our way this year, to try and convince us to Remain. Or is it wishful thinking?

    You think Europeans are that shallow?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,838
    Danny565 said:

    I wonder if the other Eurovision countries will throw some charity points our way this year, to try and convince us to Remain. Or is it wishful thinking?

    I don't think the long arm of the EU reaches that far.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,838
    runnymede said:

    Well the PM's ratings look grand, don't they? :)

    It's a genuinely remarkable figure: -34, even by people on his own side.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    The Times

    Daniel Finkelstein: "The most reliable polls are at the end of a phone"
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited May 2016
    In 1975 we had the great and the good lined up on one side and the "nutters" (Benn, Shore, Powell etc.) on the other. The choice was obvious, except it turned out that the "nutters" were correct and the great and the good were lying through their teeth.

    Blair took us into a war based on a completely false prospectus. Lots of people believed him because they could not even contemplate the idea that a British PM would mislead Parliament on such an important issue. He did though. Then he did it again in 2006, when he committed an inadequate number of inadequately equipped troops to do a job that was never properly stated.

    Frankly, anyone who believes a word any politician says is a bloody fool.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Well the PM's ratings look grand, don't they? :)

    It's a genuinely remarkable figure: -34, even by people on his own side.
    Elsewhere Cameron has barely 1 in 10 Labour voters (2015) trusting what he has to say on Europe. He is hurting the image of REMAIN and split the Conservatives. One of the most politically inept decisions. If only he had followed the example of Harold Wilson.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Disappointing there are no ratings for the near perfect Chancellor.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,486
    HurstLlama said:

    In 1975 we had the great and the good lined up on one side and the "nutters" (Benn, Shore, Powell etc.) on the other. The choice was obvious, except it turned out that the "nutters" were correct and the great and the good were lying through their teeth.

    Blair took us into a war based on a completely false prospectus. Lots of people believed him because they could not even contemplate the idea that a British PM would mislead Parliament on such an important issue. He did though. Then he did it again in 2006, when he committed an inadequate number of inadequately equipped troops to do a job that was never properly stated.

    Frankly, anyone who believes a word any politician says is a bloody fool.

    Amen.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Well the PM's ratings look grand, don't they? :)

    It's a genuinely remarkable figure: -34, even by people on his own side.
    Elsewhere Cameron has barely 1 in 10 Labour voters (2015) trusting what he has to say on Europe. He is hurting the image of REMAIN and split the Conservatives. One of the most politically inept decisions. If only he had followed the example of Harold Wilson.
    Tish and pish, Mr Betting, surely you know that, according to some on here, Cameron is one of the greatest post-war PMs and his mate Osborne is a near perfect chancellor..
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Hillaromics 101 - "Women are the main driver of the American economy because we are a 70% consumption economy and most purchases are made by women."

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/730109255081070592
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    GideonWise said:

    Disappointing there are no ratings for the near perfect Chancellor.

    That would be close to -100. His ratings from Con members are at an all time low....
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,199
    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    It seems strange that Obama's intervention hasn't helped Remain then, given that he is the least distrusted among DKs and SVs. Perhaps a good omen for the future though, when they stand in the polling booth and reflect on what they've heard.

    Do you think many will dk right up to the point they stand in the booth? I'd imagine most in that position just wouldn't bother.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,776
    Good evening.

    Seems to me it's Mr Cameron's dismissive comment about Leavers (some time ago now) coming back to bite him. It was something like "Fruitcakes, loonies & nutters", wasn't it? And, to my amazement, that's how he's now coming over himself.

    Is that what's called Karma?
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    GideonWise said:

    Disappointing there are no ratings for the near perfect Chancellor.

    That would be close to -100. His ratings from Con members are at an all time low....
    With a few notable exceptions.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,218
    So the one who commands the highest trust within any group is a Remainer - Barack Obama. As his expressed reasons for remaining are identical to Cameron's, one can only conclude that the latter's poor showing is the result of PM-in-Office pangs, nothing more significant. It also demonstrates that Obama's stardust still has significant potency. And there were those claiming that his intervention was misjudged.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I'm amazed that David Cameron is dead last at -47, he is at -34 with Remainers even if he is leading the Remain campaign.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,194
    Theresa May trying to appeal to both sides - and failing twice over.

    Next PM? - good luck with that!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited May 2016
    Nailed it your maj...

    https://twitter.com/queen_uk/status/730132844647985153
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    How is Nicola Elsie going to spin this one?
    Police Scotland has cancelled a £12 million procurement exercise for a computer system to manage its control rooms in another IT setback for the force.

    Procurement of a new system for the C3 division, which includes handling of emergency calls, has been put on hold despite it being described as “mission critical”.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/call-centre-fears-after-police-cancel-it-fix-2dts6lhng
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,805
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    It seems strange that Obama's intervention hasn't helped Remain then, given that he is the least distrusted among DKs and SVs. Perhaps a good omen for the future though, when they stand in the polling booth and reflect on what they've heard.

    Do you think many will dk right up to the point they stand in the booth? I'd imagine most in that position just wouldn't bother.
    Well, maybe not up to that point and, sure, many won't bother, but Obama's relatively good standing among the DKs is perhaps the biggest surprise in the poll and has got to be a good indicator for Remain.
  • 16661666 Posts: 72
    We are entitled to the facts rather than emotion and economic truth
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Well the PM's ratings look grand, don't they? :)

    It's a genuinely remarkable figure: -34, even by people on his own side.
    Indeed. And good news.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I'd have thought the most useful deductions are for Leave. Given their appalling ratings with Remain voters, don't knows and swing voters, Nigel Farage and Michael Gove need to be kidnapped until 24 June.

    Remain need to get some moderate Labour voices heard. Pushing Alan Johnson forward today looks like a good idea.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    'Now the U.S. has been inundated with PC inquisitors, and PC poison is spreading worldwide in the Anglo zone.

    For these reasons it’s good news that Donald Trump is doing so well in the American political primaries. He is vulgar, abusive, nasty, rude, boorish and outrageous. He is also saying what he thinks and, more important, teaching Americans how to think for themselves again.'
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentevents/2016/03/23/when-excess-is-a-virtue/#5962ae8f34b5
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    I
    Speedy said:

    I'm amazed that David Cameron is dead last at -47, he is at -34 with Remainers even if he is leading the Remain campaign.

    In large part it's influenced by how much people agree with him in general.

    But he's really pulled of a special trick by turning vast swathes of his own voters against him without getting any from the other side to balance against it.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Pointless anecdote alert: at dinner tonight there was a man a couple of tables away who was the spitting image of @NickPalmer. Unless it was Dr Palmer himself.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    ThreeQuidder said:

    Pointless anecdote alert: at dinner tonight there was a man a couple of tables away who was the spitting image of @NickPalmer. Unless it was Dr Palmer himself.

    Was he eating meat ?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,733
    MarqueeMark said:

    Cameron's legacy: The Boy Who Cried Wolf....

    MM - I don't know if this is what you were referring to, but the Daily Mash agree with you:
    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/massive-wolf-coming-to-eat-all-our-sheep-warns-cameron-20160510108723

    Seriously, though, this is why Cameron is distrusted on this even by hos own side: he has come out with such over-the-top claptrap that he has just become ridiculous.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Golly, Cameron's figures are awful with swing voters.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,218
    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    It seems strange that Obama's intervention hasn't helped Remain then, given that he is the least distrusted among DKs and SVs. Perhaps a good omen for the future though, when they stand in the polling booth and reflect on what they've heard.

    Do you think many will dk right up to the point they stand in the booth? I'd imagine most in that position just wouldn't bother.
    Well, maybe not up to that point and, sure, many won't bother, but Obama's relatively good standing among the DKs is perhaps the biggest surprise in the poll and has got to be a good indicator for Remain.
    Agreed. Obama's secondment is starting to look like a Remain master-stroke. Leave, of course, have massive advantages with the euro-phobic British press barons singing their tune, but the Pres's intervention cuts through all that with a cool sense of resonance and objectivity.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I'd have thought the most useful deductions are for Leave. Given their appalling ratings with Remain voters, don't knows and swing voters, Nigel Farage and Michael Gove need to be kidnapped until 24 June.

    Remain need to get some moderate Labour voices heard. Pushing Alan Johnson forward today looks like a good idea.

    Yes, he'd make a fine shadow Chancellor as well :)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    runnymede said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I'd have thought the most useful deductions are for Leave. Given their appalling ratings with Remain voters, don't knows and swing voters, Nigel Farage and Michael Gove need to be kidnapped until 24 June.

    Remain need to get some moderate Labour voices heard. Pushing Alan Johnson forward today looks like a good idea.

    Yes, he'd make a fine shadow Chancellor as well :)
    I'm not expecting the extremists to understand.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    AnneJGP said:

    Good evening.

    Seems to me it's Mr Cameron's dismissive comment about Leavers (some time ago now) coming back to bite him. It was something like "Fruitcakes, loonies & nutters", wasn't it? And, to my amazement, that's how he's now coming over himself.

    Is that what's called Karma?

    :smiley:
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @djknowles22: The 'Yessurection' - I repost, without comment... https://t.co/AnHdwpBVsm
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Pointless anecdote alert: at dinner tonight there was a man a couple of tables away who was the spitting image of @NickPalmer. Unless it was Dr Palmer himself.

    Was he eating meat ?
    I didn't look that closely...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,862
    That's an interesting finding for Boris Johnson with swing voters.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited May 2016
    Wittingdale bbc reforms...more utter bs...according to front of daily telegraph. I have no Idea what he is playing at. He is pissing off the Luuvies while not really changing anything nor actually addressing the real issue of future of "tv".
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,733
    Tentative link alert: on the subject of the BBC, it's ten years today that this happened:
    http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/09/its-10-years-since-a-man-was-interviewed-on-bbc-by-mistake-5871153/
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Stark_Dawning said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    It seems strange that Obama's intervention hasn't helped Remain then, given that he is the least distrusted among DKs and SVs. Perhaps a good omen for the future though, when they stand in the polling booth and reflect on what they've heard.

    Do you think many will dk right up to the point they stand in the booth? I'd imagine most in that position just wouldn't bother.
    Well, maybe not up to that point and, sure, many won't bother, but Obama's relatively good standing among the DKs is perhaps the biggest surprise in the poll and has got to be a good indicator for Remain.
    Agreed. Obama's secondment is starting to look like a Remain master-stroke. Leave, of course, have massive advantages with the euro-phobic British press barons singing their tune, but the Pres's intervention cuts through all that with a cool sense of resonance and objectivity.
    PMSL
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,218
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I'd have thought the most useful deductions are for Leave. Given their appalling ratings with Remain voters, don't knows and swing voters, Nigel Farage and Michael Gove need to be kidnapped until 24 June.

    Remain need to get some moderate Labour voices heard. Pushing Alan Johnson forward today looks like a good idea.

    Yes, I was struck with just how appalling the three wise men of Gove, IDS and Farage are doing amongst their own side. Cameron is PM and would expect to be hated; IDS and Farage aren't even in government. Leave still have Boris of course. But his problem is as follows: will he repel the give-Cameron-a-kicking Leftists? Leave might seem less attractive to them if all it amounts to is giving Boris the chance to make hay.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730139117049106432
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Speedy said:

    I'm amazed that David Cameron is dead last at -47, he is at -34 with Remainers even if he is leading the Remain campaign.

    Perhaps the most significant is the DK and Swing columns, the rest are preaching to the converted.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    AlastairMeeks said:

    runnymede said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I'd have thought the most useful deductions are for Leave. Given their appalling ratings with Remain voters, don't knows and swing voters, Nigel Farage and Michael Gove need to be kidnapped until 24 June.

    Remain need to get some moderate Labour voices heard. Pushing Alan Johnson forward today looks like a good idea.

    Yes, he'd make a fine shadow Chancellor as well :)
    I'm not expecting the extremists to understand.
    Not nice to describe europhiles as extremists.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    First nose ring of the night makes it through...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @nycsouthpaw: Reuters sent a correspondent to Trump's mother's hometown in the Outer Hebrides https://t.co/hSX7M8YLoM https://t.co/38XA541YMt
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,486
    Stark_Dawning said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    It seems strange that Obama's intervention hasn't helped Remain then, given that he is the least distrusted among DKs and SVs. Perhaps a good omen for the future though, when they stand in the polling booth and reflect on what they've heard.

    Do you think many will dk right up to the point they stand in the booth? I'd imagine most in that position just wouldn't bother.
    Well, maybe not up to that point and, sure, many won't bother, but Obama's relatively good standing among the DKs is perhaps the biggest surprise in the poll and has got to be a good indicator for Remain.
    Agreed. Obama's secondment is starting to look like a Remain master-stroke. Leave, of course, have massive advantages with the euro-phobic British press barons singing their tune, but the Pres's intervention cuts through all that with a cool sense of resonance and objectivity.
    Desperate spinning from Remainders. Obama's rating is nothing more than the fact he is not a British politician. Familiarity breeds contempt and the UK electorate have a healthy amount of contempt for all their elected representatives.

    Obama's intervention achieved nothing for Remain except to make them look just that little bit more desperate.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,862
    Plato_Says said:

    Golly, Cameron's figures are awful with swing voters.

    I must confess to being extremely surprised by this.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Given all the outcry about the mock suicide bomber in the Manchester being a muslim, next time perhaps they will have to pick another type of extremist a brexiter will probably work for the twitter mob....he could shout "give me my sovenority".
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    And Galloway is OUT in the semi !!!
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Pointless anecdote alert: at dinner tonight there was a man a couple of tables away who was the spitting image of @NickPalmer. Unless it was Dr Palmer himself.

    Was he eating meat ?
    Was he eating his own feet?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Casino_Royale said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Golly, Cameron's figures are awful with swing voters.

    I must confess to being extremely surprised by this.
    If you are lucky, the plod will be on the blower asking if you want to play a pc version of a suicide bomber in their next training exercise!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    edited May 2016
    BBC News and ITV News lead on Nigerian president's 'shock' at Cameron's overheard comments to the Queen and the Archbishop of Canterbury that the leaders of Afghanistan and Nigeria, are in Cameron's words '2 of the most corrupt nations on earth'.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,321
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Wittingdale bbc reforms...more utter bs...according to front of daily telegraph. I have no Idea what he is playing at. He is pissing off the Luuvies while not really changing anything nor actually addressing the real issue of future of "tv".

    BBC dominance of news on TV, radio, internet. big problem for all other media news groups.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730139117049106432

    Deutschland uber Americas!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730139117049106432

    Deutschland uber Americas!
    Trump is a derivation of Trumpf, though British and Irish ancestry combined are more than German ancestry
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Pointless anecdote alert: at dinner tonight there was a man a couple of tables away who was the spitting image of @NickPalmer. Unless it was Dr Palmer himself.

    Was he eating meat ?
    TSE: "Do you want a drink?"

    Sunil: "Got any Quorn?"

    TSE: "If you want!" (He also takes a bottle of meat from the fridge).

    Sunil: "Meat...? Ugh!"

    TSE: "It's what Ian Rush drinks."

    Sunil: "Ian Rush?"

    TSE: "Yeah, an' he says if I don't drink lots of meat, when I grow up I'm only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!"

    Sunil: "Accrington Stanley? Who are they?"

    TSE: "Exactly!"


  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730139117049106432

    Deutschland uber Americas!
    Trump is a derivation of Trumpf, though British and Irish ancestry combined are more than German ancestry
    The map is by area, so reflects rural populations in the thinly populated states. Also hard to know which country most african americans are descended from!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Casino_Royale said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Golly, Cameron's figures are awful with swing voters.

    I must confess to being extremely surprised by this.
    Having waded through about 2000 comments in the Times over the last two days, it's hard to find any nice ones about Cameron. Lots of contempt over War!!! And war graves, not appearing to be on our side, dishonest and more of the same.

    It's hard to believe that in February he was supposedly driving for a tough bargain and he'd walk away.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730139117049106432

    I wonder if the Mormons are the only Anglo-Saxon population in the world that's growing.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Michael Gove has truly dreadful figures, he is political poison. Much has been suggested that he would be made Chancellor should Leave win. I think John McDonnell would welcome such a situation should it come to pass!

    It looks to me as if Boris has suffered from the reinstatement of political gravity as well. From the outside Leave appear to me to be all the unpopular politicians plus a clown as front man!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,718
    Casino_Royale said:

    That's an interesting finding for Boris Johnson with swing voters.

    I've sent you a VM.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited May 2016
    I am not surprised that Dave is so unpopular with confirmed Leavers, though am so with BoJo being the polar opposite for Remainers.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    West Ham :)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    foxinsoxuk said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730139117049106432

    Deutschland uber Americas!
    Trump is a derivation of Trumpf, though British and Irish ancestry combined are more than German ancestry
    The map is by area, so reflects rural populations in the thinly populated states. Also hard to know which country most african americans are descended from!
    Indeed, but whites still have a plurality, a substantial number of Hispanics come from Mexico, african american ancestry more diverse
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Plato_Says said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Golly, Cameron's figures are awful with swing voters.

    I must confess to being extremely surprised by this.
    Having waded through about 2000 comments in the Times over the last two days, it's hard to find any nice ones about Cameron. Lots of contempt over War!!! And war graves, not appearing to be on our side, dishonest and more of the same.

    It's hard to believe that in February he was supposedly driving for a tough bargain and he'd walk away.
    Very hard. Because it wasn't so.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730097797890854912
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    West Ham :)

    What a game.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,194
    Clearly Leave need to unleash their secret weapon - Priti Patel.

    And on that predictable note, goodnight!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Dave's ratings in the sewer lol.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited May 2016
    Plato_Says said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Golly, Cameron's figures are awful with swing voters.

    I must confess to being extremely surprised by this.
    Having waded through about 2000 comments in the Times over the last two days, it's hard to find any nice ones about Cameron. Lots of contempt over War!!! And war graves, not appearing to be on our side, dishonest and more of the same.

    It's hard to believe that in February he was supposedly driving for a tough bargain and he'd walk away.
    Which is why the renegotiation was rubbish. The other 27 never believed he'd walk way hence the dog's dinner of minor tweaks we got presented with. Now I still expect a Remain win but there's a clear whiff that things have not gone to plan for No 10 hence Obama, the Japanese PM, assorted ex US State Dept inhabitants, and the Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse ( yesterday's was war) being invoked to scare us all into line as I think they thought this would be in the bag by now and it's still not - quite.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Cameron's a sleeper for Leave. It's the only explanation.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Not many are interested but the Democratic primary race hasn't yet finished de jure.

    Tonight, in about 2 hours, polls close in W.Virginia, where the early Exit Poll leaks suggest to me that Sanders has beaten Hillary with close to a 2-1 margin.

    The only interesting issue is that 39% of Sanders voters in W.Virginia say that they will vote Trump in the GE over Hillary in the Exit Poll.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,942
    Pulpstar said:

    Dave's ratings in the sewer lol.

    Toxic Dave has destroyed everything for the EU. Incredible.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Dave's ratings in the sewer lol.

    Toxic Dave has destroyed everything for the EU. Incredible.
    He'll never win the next election..... oh hang on
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Speedy said:

    Tonight, in about 2 hours, polls close in W.Virginia, where the early Exit Poll leaks suggest to me that Sanders has beaten Hillary with close to a 2-1 margin.

    The only interesting issue is that 39% of Sanders voters in W.Virginia say that they will vote Trump in the GE over Hillary in the Exit Poll.

    Her nickname will have to be updated to 'Crippled Hillary' by the time she crawls across the finish line
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730097797890854912

    Cameron can't be trusted. A characteristically vulgar PR stunt from him. Her Majesty has to be on her guard when she's obliged to receive the creep.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Dave's ratings in the sewer lol.

    Theresa May has managed to do that as well, and there is no excuse for her from Remainers that she is the PM.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730097797890854912

    Cameron can't be trusted. A characteristically vulgar PR stunt from him. Her Majesty has to be on her guard when she's obliged to receive the creep.
    If it's true, I'm seriously unimpressed. The Queen should never be used like this - ever.

    That spin doctor on Sky thinks it's so very clever, I doubt many would agree.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    Speedy said:

    Not many are interested but the Democratic primary race hasn't yet finished de jure.

    Tonight, in about 2 hours, polls close in W.Virginia, where the early Exit Poll leaks suggest to me that Sanders has beaten Hillary with close to a 2-1 margin.

    The only interesting issue is that 39% of Sanders voters in W.Virginia say that they will vote Trump in the GE over Hillary in the Exit Poll.

    In WV hardly surprising, Trump will win it by a landslide
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    williamglenn said:

    Speedy said:

    Tonight, in about 2 hours, polls close in W.Virginia, where the early Exit Poll leaks suggest to me that Sanders has beaten Hillary with close to a 2-1 margin.

    The only interesting issue is that 39% of Sanders voters in W.Virginia say that they will vote Trump in the GE over Hillary in the Exit Poll.

    Her nickname will have to be updated to 'Crippled Hillary' by the time she crawls across the finish line
    Only if she manages to lose all remaining contests and by a 70-30 margin will she lose the nomination.
    Right now she is still on course to win California (though that maybe tightening) and N.J., but her unpopularity is showing.

    There is no question that if Sanders was 10-20 years younger and from a bigger state than Vermont that Hillary would have lost the nomination.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,218
    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730097797890854912

    Ho, ho! If Cameron engineered that then Leave should be terrified - the man's clearly omnipotent.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730139117049106432

    Deutschland uber Americas!
    Double Deutsche!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Ned Donovan
    There's another BBC video from today at the Queen's garden party of a private conversation the Queen is having. Bad form to release it.

    @journodave The topic of it, luckily untouched by the press today, puts her in a complicated position in terms of neutrality.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Plato_Says said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730097797890854912

    Cameron can't be trusted. A characteristically vulgar PR stunt from him. Her Majesty has to be on her guard when she's obliged to receive the creep.
    If it's true, I'm seriously unimpressed. The Queen should never be used like this - ever.

    That spin doctor on Sky thinks it's so very clever, I doubt many would agree.
    Shameless, tasteless and a liar. He's starting to go mad like old El Tone did...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    HYUFD said:

    In WV hardly surprising, Trump will win it by a landslide

    There's some even more interesting polling numbers from WV that show a third of Democrat voters will vote Trump no matter who the Democrat nominee is.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-democratic-primary-exit-poll-results/story?id=38992745
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Plato_Says said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Plato_Says said:

    https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730097797890854912

    Cameron can't be trusted. A characteristically vulgar PR stunt from him. Her Majesty has to be on her guard when she's obliged to receive the creep.
    If it's true, I'm seriously unimpressed. The Queen should never be used like this - ever.

    That spin doctor on Sky thinks it's so very clever, I doubt many would agree.
    ugh what a grotty conman he is
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