One slender ray of hope. The letter says the contraction "could" last until end April.
COULD
Maybe they anticipate there might be more, but they want to under-promise and over-achieve?
Or equally it 'could' go on until about July. We don't know.
Apparently this happened in UAE, there was a four week slowdown in the middle of the programme as they had to go back and do all the 2nd jabs. Just read that on Twitter
So perhaps we are still getting the expected supplies, but not the extra doses, where we thought we could do big numbers of jab one AND jab two at the same time?
Is it actually possible the EU has already..... done this? What's the alternative explanation?
It sounds like it
If they have we need to fucking nuke them.
But they are talking about constraining unjabbed cohorts. If it was just Pfizer and there was loads of AZN, we just give all the new cohorts AZN, no?
We were suppoaed to be getting many millions a week by now of AZN.
One of the striking things is that AZN appear to have really struggled to produce their vaccine at scale. The original plan was to have 30 million doses ready to go last September- that's pretty clearly not happened.
I don't think we know what their current plans in the UK are, but in Europe, they're set to do 70 million doses in April-June. That's less than they originally intended to do for January-March;
Yes, it's a remarkable scientific and humanitarian achievement. But something seems significantly not right.
I agree - this seems like an AZN supply issue to me. However, the Indians don't seem to be having the same issues - or if they are, their production is on a scale that can still produce stratospheric numbers.
Maybe that's the context for VdL's "highly unwise" (channeling my inner Jeeves) comments today. "Don't think of patching any AZN bottleneck with stuff from the Euro system."
I'm not worried about the predicted slowdown. To me it seems as though the NHS is (rightly) preparing for an EU embargo of Pfizer vaccines and is telling vaccine centres to ensure that second doses aren't missed and to ensure that enough doses are available for the second dose programme. Temporarily halting first dose bookings for group 10 makes sense to me because if it transpires that it's not an issue 40-49 year olds can be booked in very quickly and are all very mobile so don't need to home visits and don't need to be given a centre in walking distance, they can be asked to go a bit further by car or public transport.
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
That's the entire unlocking timetable after March 29th in the dustbin as well. We're all going to be stuck in fucking lockdown until - when? July? August? The end of the damned year?
I could live with this bullshit for a bit longer but not for an endless age. Fuck "Stay at fucking home", time to arrange meet-ups with mates and family visits I think.
Calm down - the rationale for opening up depends on vaccinating groups 1-9 and that hasn't changed, plus the effects of the lockdown on massively reducing the prevalence, and that has happened. I know you are prone to the black dog, and this is poor news, but there is no reason to suggest the opening up will have to change.
Half of population unprotected = fourth wave = tsunami of new hospital cases (and even the deaths will spike, because the disease will eventually find out the vulnerable individuals who haven't been successfully protected.) The modellers will issue a panic forecast and the Government will stall.
You alright there, Corporal Jones?
The guy is obviously upset and anxious. You might have balls the size of cannonballs but cut people some slack who don't. We have had poster after poster saying how challenging they are finding this so, frankly, you can STFU.
Edit: same for everyone else.
Get over yourself. If you don't laugh at misery, you stay miserable
So, Laura K has asked straight away about the letter. No bloody answer about the lengthy drop in supply *at all*. Just more repetitious waffle about the vulnerable groups. Quelle fucking surprise.
That's the entire unlocking timetable after March 29th in the dustbin as well. We're all going to be stuck in fucking lockdown until - when? July? August? The end of the damned year?
I could live with this bullshit for a bit longer but not for an endless age. Fuck "Stay at fucking home", time to arrange meet-ups with mates and family visits I think.
Calm down - the rationale for opening up depends on vaccinating groups 1-9 and that hasn't changed, plus the effects of the lockdown on massively reducing the prevalence, and that has happened. I know you are prone to the black dog, and this is poor news, but there is no reason to suggest the opening up will have to change.
Half of population unprotected = fourth wave = tsunami of new hospital cases (and even the deaths will spike, because the disease will eventually find out the vulnerable individuals who haven't been successfully protected.) The modellers will issue a panic forecast and the Government will stall.
You alright there, Corporal Jones?
The guy is obviously upset and anxious. You might have balls the size of cannonballs but cut people some slack who don't. We have had poster after poster saying how challenging they are finding this so, frankly, you can STFU.
Edit: same for everyone else.
Get over yourself. If you don't laugh at misery, you stay miserable
HAB. You can laugh at your own misery. Not someone else's.
Has anyone, ever, used 4/52 to denote "4 weeks"? Very confusing.
I've seen it in medical records. Not elsewhere.
Ah, fair enough. Expected from a medic then. Still, why 4/52 when 4wk would suffice for a general audience.
Given the mood on here today just be grateful its not B52.
in defence of Black Rook, who is accused of being a bit emosh, this is quite hard to deal with. We have been doing this for a YEAR, and it seemed like we were near the end. Everyone is anxious and jumpy. Just let it end. Will it ever end.
Is it actually possible the EU has already..... done this? What's the alternative explanation?
It sounds like it
If they have we need to fucking nuke them.
But they are talking about constraining unjabbed cohorts. If it was just Pfizer and there was loads of AZN, we just give all the new cohorts AZN, no?
We were suppoaed to be getting many millions a week by now of AZN.
One of the striking things is that AZN appear to have really struggled to produce their vaccine at scale. The original plan was to have 30 million doses ready to go last September- that's pretty clearly not happened.
I don't think we know what their current plans in the UK are, but in Europe, they're set to do 70 million doses in April-June. That's less than they originally intended to do for January-March;
Yes, it's a remarkable scientific and humanitarian achievement. But something seems significantly not right.
I agree - this seems like an AZN supply issue to me. However, the Indians don't seem to be having the same issues - or if they are, their production is on a scale that can still produce stratospheric numbers.
Maybe that's the context for VdL's "highly unwise" (channeling my inner Jeeves) comments today. "Don't think of patching any AZN bottleneck with stuff from the Euro system."
Perhaps, though it's not something we have any evidence of. If it were the case, I could sort of see where she's coming from, though of course the UK would be 'legally' entitled to those supplies.
Vaccine passports will be an absolute disgrace if allowed. Young people locked indoors whilst 50+ can leave the country
They've protected the core vote. The rest of us can get fucked.
I'm critical of Boris Johnson but this is just one of those genuine happenstances that the medical needy happen to be a considerable part of the core vote.
This is where they are genuinely following the science and medical professionals.
Surely the cautious nature of the timetable was to allow for this eventuality.
I see a lot of talk about the unfairness of letting the jabbed oldies party, but in reality it will be up to unjabbed individuals to decide how much risk to take. I reckon we're at the point where lockdown is now about saving individual lives rather than preventing a catastrophe in the NHS.
Once the weather is nice we'll be back having BBQs and seeing friends and family. Hopefully the government doesn't get spooked and sticks to the timetable for reopening commercial activities.
Vaccine passports will be an absolute disgrace if allowed. Young people locked indoors whilst 50+ can leave the country
Yep that was the issue from the time they were first mooted.
The ones who have arguably been made to give up the most are then stuck indoors while everyone else parties.
Not a great look and hence can't happen, imo.
And won't happen for that matter. Just went through my local park and it looked like some gang meet out of The Warriors. A lot of black hoodies and puffas on display. Plod, obvs, nowhere to be seeen and who can blame them.
So, Laura K has asked straight away about the letter. No bloody answer about the lengthy drop in supply *at all*. Just more repetitious waffle about the vulnerable groups. Quelle fucking surprise.
Actually Hancock's answer made sense in so far as 25,273,226 doses have been completed so there must be a huge catch up
I'm not worried about the predicted slowdown. To me it seems as though the NHS is (rightly) preparing for an EU embargo of Pfizer vaccines and is telling vaccine centres to ensure that second doses aren't missed and to ensure that enough doses are available for the second dose programme. Temporarily halting first dose bookings for group 10 makes sense to me because if it transpires that it's not an issue 40-49 year olds can be booked in very quickly and are all very mobile so don't need to home visits and don't need to be given a centre in walking distance, they can be asked to go a bit further by car or public transport.
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
Somewhat reassuring, but - if you're right - that does suggest HMG believes the EU will ban exports, even if contracted. Which is explosive
That's the entire unlocking timetable after March 29th in the dustbin as well. We're all going to be stuck in fucking lockdown until - when? July? August? The end of the damned year?
I could live with this bullshit for a bit longer but not for an endless age. Fuck "Stay at fucking home", time to arrange meet-ups with mates and family visits I think.
Calm down - the rationale for opening up depends on vaccinating groups 1-9 and that hasn't changed, plus the effects of the lockdown on massively reducing the prevalence, and that has happened. I know you are prone to the black dog, and this is poor news, but there is no reason to suggest the opening up will have to change.
Half of population unprotected = fourth wave = tsunami of new hospital cases (and even the deaths will spike, because the disease will eventually find out the vulnerable individuals who haven't been successfully protected.) The modellers will issue a panic forecast and the Government will stall.
You alright there, Corporal Jones?
The guy is obviously upset and anxious. You might have balls the size of cannonballs but cut people some slack who don't. We have had poster after poster saying how challenging they are finding this so, frankly, you can STFU.
Edit: same for everyone else.
Get over yourself. If you don't laugh at misery, you stay miserable
HAB. You can laugh at your own misery. Not someone else's.
I wasn't, the point is to make a joke. But here , if you don't like it don't respond to it.
I'm not worried about the predicted slowdown. To me it seems as though the NHS is (rightly) preparing for an EU embargo of Pfizer vaccines and is telling vaccine centres to ensure that second doses aren't missed and to ensure that enough doses are available for the second dose programme. Temporarily halting first dose bookings for group 10 makes sense to me because if it transpires that it's not an issue 40-49 year olds can be booked in very quickly and are all very mobile so don't need to home visits and don't need to be given a centre in walking distance, they can be asked to go a bit further by car or public transport.
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
Somewhat reassuring, but - if you're right - that does suggest HMG believes the EU will ban exports, even if contracted. Which is explosive
Vaccine passports will be an absolute disgrace if allowed. Young people locked indoors whilst 50+ can leave the country
They've protected the core vote. The rest of us can get fucked.
I'm critical of Boris Johnson but this is just one of those genuine happenstances that the medical needy happen to be a considerable part of the core vote.
This is where they are genuinely following the science and medical professional.
I know. I was responding to the specific point CHB was making about the vaccine passports.
As I said earlier in the thread, they'll probably introduce them domestically so the rest of us have to rot at home for months whilst the crusties can go out and party as well. Well fuck 'em. If I can't go down the pub til God knows when I'll have friends round to visit or go and meet them in the park. Screw the damned rules. Had enough of em.
So, Laura K has asked straight away about the letter. No bloody answer about the lengthy drop in supply *at all*. Just more repetitious waffle about the vulnerable groups. Quelle fucking surprise.
It's probably some Europhile civil servant who has "done the right thing by the EU" - and given them our April supplies.
Meanwhile, the lawyers are running around, headless stylee, wondering if he had ostensible authority to amend the contracts and whether we could get out of it.
Has anyone, ever, used 4/52 to denote "4 weeks"? Very confusing.
I've seen it in medical records. Not elsewhere.
Ah, fair enough. Expected from a medic then. Still, why 4/52 when 4wk would suffice for a general audience.
Given the mood on here today just be grateful its not B52.
in defence of Black Rook, who is accused of being a bit emosh, this is quite hard to deal with. We have been doing this for a YEAR, and it seemed like we were near the end. Everyone is anxious and jumpy. Just let it end. Will it ever end.
Hancock looking unconvincing here. Dammit
I completely agree. This lockdown since Christmas has been terrible. I have also found the lack of transparancy about vaccine supply more than a tad unhelpful. More always seems to be a month off.
I am still waiting for a jab and really thought the end was somewhere in sight.
My absolute priority, however, is that my son starts University at the beginning of October. I really want things to be back to something like normal by then. This summer is already a write off.
That's the entire unlocking timetable after March 29th in the dustbin as well. We're all going to be stuck in fucking lockdown until - when? July? August? The end of the damned year?
I could live with this bullshit for a bit longer but not for an endless age. Fuck "Stay at fucking home", time to arrange meet-ups with mates and family visits I think.
Calm down - the rationale for opening up depends on vaccinating groups 1-9 and that hasn't changed, plus the effects of the lockdown on massively reducing the prevalence, and that has happened. I know you are prone to the black dog, and this is poor news, but there is no reason to suggest the opening up will have to change.
Half of population unprotected = fourth wave = tsunami of new hospital cases (and even the deaths will spike, because the disease will eventually find out the vulnerable individuals who haven't been successfully protected.) The modellers will issue a panic forecast and the Government will stall.
You alright there, Corporal Jones?
The guy is obviously upset and anxious. You might have balls the size of cannonballs but cut people some slack who don't. We have had poster after poster saying how challenging they are finding this so, frankly, you can STFU.
Edit: same for everyone else.
Get over yourself. If you don't laugh at misery, you stay miserable
HAB. You can laugh at your own misery. Not someone else's.
I wasn't, the point is to make a joke. But here , if you don't like it don't respond to it.
Well you made fun of the guy who is evidently anxious atm but that's fine I think we've processed this.
One slender ray of hope. The letter says the contraction "could" last until end April.
COULD
Maybe they anticipate there might be more, but they want to under-promise and over-achieve?
Or equally it 'could' go on until about July. We don't know.
Apparently this happened in UAE, there was a four week slowdown in the middle of the programme as they had to go back and do all the 2nd jabs. Just read that on Twitter
So perhaps we are still getting the expected supplies, but not the extra doses, where we thought we could do big numbers of jab one AND jab two at the same time?
Who knows
Twitter is, unsurprisingly, wrong.
There have been a few days of supply issues with mostly Pfizer vaccines, but those have resolved themselves quickly. Appointments are running a few days ahead of time, and have now been opened to over 40s - I should get first dose next week, with any luck!
Has anyone, ever, used 4/52 to denote "4 weeks"? Very confusing.
I've seen it in medical records. Not elsewhere.
Ah, fair enough. Expected from a medic then. Still, why 4/52 when 4wk would suffice for a general audience.
Given the mood on here today just be grateful its not B52.
in defence of Black Rook, who is accused of being a bit emosh, this is quite hard to deal with. We have been doing this for a YEAR, and it seemed like we were near the end. Everyone is anxious and jumpy. Just let it end. Will it ever end.
Hancock looking unconvincing here. Dammit
"We are committed to all adults being able to get the jab by the end of July."
Yeah. If the supply problems are resolved. Let's just say I'm not holding my breath.
I doubt this is anything to do with the EU. And people aren’t thinking straight if they think the EU might actually block Pfizer exports. Pfizer are meeting their EU delivery targets. They have no obligation to provide additional doses to the EU, so if there was some sort of export ban they’d probably just sit on them. And the U.K. provide the components for manufacture.
So, Laura K has asked straight away about the letter. No bloody answer about the lengthy drop in supply *at all*. Just more repetitious waffle about the vulnerable groups. Quelle fucking surprise.
It's probably some Europhile civil servant who has "done the right thing by the EU" - and given them our April supplies.
Meanwhile, the lawyers are running around, headless stylee, wondering if he had ostensible authority to amend the contracts and whether we could get out of it.
"could".....
No, it’s not “probably” anything of the kind.
“It’s the treacherous civil servants” is the first place your mind goes. Yuck.
I don't watch these things. I just let the relevant news percolate to me via PB and colleagues/friends/family - any information I need to know will find me one way or another. Some people should try it.
One slender ray of hope. The letter says the contraction "could" last until end April.
COULD
Maybe they anticipate there might be more, but they want to under-promise and over-achieve?
Or equally it 'could' go on until about July. We don't know.
Apparently this happened in UAE, there was a four week slowdown in the middle of the programme as they had to go back and do all the 2nd jabs. Just read that on Twitter
So perhaps we are still getting the expected supplies, but not the extra doses, where we thought we could do big numbers of jab one AND jab two at the same time?
Who knows
Twitter is, unsurprisingly, wrong.
There have been a few days of supply issues with mostly Pfizer vaccines, but those have resolved themselves quickly. Appointments are running a few days ahead of time, and have now been opened to over 40s - I should get first dose next week, with any luck!
I'm not worried about the predicted slowdown. To me it seems as though the NHS is (rightly) preparing for an EU embargo of Pfizer vaccines and is telling vaccine centres to ensure that second doses aren't missed and to ensure that enough doses are available for the second dose programme. Temporarily halting first dose bookings for group 10 makes sense to me because if it transpires that it's not an issue 40-49 year olds can be booked in very quickly and are all very mobile so don't need to home visits and don't need to be given a centre in walking distance, they can be asked to go a bit further by car or public transport.
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
Somewhat reassuring, but - if you're right - that does suggest HMG believes the EU will ban exports, even if contracted. Which is explosive
I think it's worst case scenario planning, which again makes a lot of sense from a medical point of view. Halting the first dose programme for Pfizer makes sense until we can be sure that there is enough supply to do all of the necessary second doses of Pfizer over the next few weeks. I'd be shocked if the AZ first dose programme is halted though, especially since that has still got a fair bit of time before it started getting to over a million per week administered.
When it comes to stuff like this, ensuring that second doses are given to groups 1-4 is a much bigger gain for us than first jabs for 40-49 year olds in terms of hospitalisation and death. Even though I'm under 50 and this potentially effects me I have to support the decision. In any case, I'm not sure it will be as big of a deal as is currently being predicted.
So, Laura K has asked straight away about the letter. No bloody answer about the lengthy drop in supply *at all*. Just more repetitious waffle about the vulnerable groups. Quelle fucking surprise.
It's probably some Europhile civil servant who has "done the right thing by the EU" - and given them our April supplies.
Meanwhile, the lawyers are running around, headless stylee, wondering if he had ostensible authority to amend the contracts and whether we could get out of it.
"could".....
No, it’s not “probably” anything of the kind.
“It’s the treacherous civil servants” is the first place your mind goes. Yuck.
Chill. It was hardly the most likely scenario, was it.
Or, judging by your over-sensitive reaction - was it?
That's the entire unlocking timetable after March 29th in the dustbin as well. We're all going to be stuck in fucking lockdown until - when? July? August? The end of the damned year?
I could live with this bullshit for a bit longer but not for an endless age. Fuck "Stay at fucking home", time to arrange meet-ups with mates and family visits I think.
Calm down - the rationale for opening up depends on vaccinating groups 1-9 and that hasn't changed, plus the effects of the lockdown on massively reducing the prevalence, and that has happened. I know you are prone to the black dog, and this is poor news, but there is no reason to suggest the opening up will have to change.
Half of population unprotected = fourth wave = tsunami of new hospital cases (and even the deaths will spike, because the disease will eventually find out the vulnerable individuals who haven't been successfully protected.) The modellers will issue a panic forecast and the Government will stall.
You alright there, Corporal Jones?
The guy is obviously upset and anxious. You might have balls the size of cannonballs but cut people some slack who don't. We have had poster after poster saying how challenging they are finding this so, frankly, you can STFU.
Edit: same for everyone else.
Get over yourself. If you don't laugh at misery, you stay miserable
HAB. You can laugh at your own misery. Not someone else's.
I wasn't, the point is to make a joke. But here , if you don't like it don't respond to it.
Well you made fun of the guy who is evidently anxious atm but that's fine I think we've processed this.
I'm not worried about the predicted slowdown. To me it seems as though the NHS is (rightly) preparing for an EU embargo of Pfizer vaccines and is telling vaccine centres to ensure that second doses aren't missed and to ensure that enough doses are available for the second dose programme. Temporarily halting first dose bookings for group 10 makes sense to me because if it transpires that it's not an issue 40-49 year olds can be booked in very quickly and are all very mobile so don't need to home visits and don't need to be given a centre in walking distance, they can be asked to go a bit further by car or public transport.
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
Somewhat reassuring, but - if you're right - that does suggest HMG believes the EU will ban exports, even if contracted. Which is explosive
I think it's worst case scenario planning, which again makes a lot of sense from a medical point of view. Halting the first dose programme for Pfizer makes sense until we can be sure that there is enough supply to do all of the necessary second doses of Pfizer over the next few weeks. I'd be shocked if the AZ first dose programme is halted though, especially since that has still got a fair bit of time before it started getting to over a million per week administered.
When it comes to stuff like this, ensuring that second doses are given to groups 1-4 is a much bigger gain for us than first jabs for 40-49 year olds in terms of hospitalisation and death. Even though I'm under 50 and this potentially effects me I have to support the decision. In any case, I'm not sure it will be as big of a deal as is currently being predicted.
It's not like it is an important letter or anything..... No reason to check it for typos or anything.
*thud*
No it obviously means 4 weeks. Otherwise it would say 52/4 given it said 29/3! And presumably the recipients of the letter understood it! Or anyway this was a shorthand by the guy on Twitter.
Vaccine passports will be an absolute disgrace if allowed. Young people locked indoors whilst 50+ can leave the country
They've protected the core vote. The rest of us can get fucked.
I'm critical of Boris Johnson but this is just one of those genuine happenstances that the medical needy happen to be a considerable part of the core vote.
This is where they are genuinely following the science and medical professionals.
I'm not worried about the predicted slowdown. To me it seems as though the NHS is (rightly) preparing for an EU embargo of Pfizer vaccines and is telling vaccine centres to ensure that second doses aren't missed and to ensure that enough doses are available for the second dose programme. Temporarily halting first dose bookings for group 10 makes sense to me because if it transpires that it's not an issue 40-49 year olds can be booked in very quickly and are all very mobile so don't need to home visits and don't need to be given a centre in walking distance, they can be asked to go a bit further by car or public transport.
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
Somewhat reassuring, but - if you're right - that does suggest HMG believes the EU will ban exports, even if contracted. Which is explosive
I think it's worst case scenario planning, which again makes a lot of sense from a medical point of view. Halting the first dose programme for Pfizer makes sense until we can be sure that there is enough supply to do all of the necessary second doses of Pfizer over the next few weeks. I'd be shocked if the AZ first dose programme is halted though, especially since that has still got a fair bit of time before it started getting to over a million per week administered.
When it comes to stuff like this, ensuring that second doses are given to groups 1-4 is a much bigger gain for us than first jabs for 40-49 year olds in terms of hospitalisation and death. Even though I'm under 50 and this potentially effects me I have to support the decision. In any case, I'm not sure it will be as big of a deal as is currently being predicted.
Oh I do suspect it's an over reaction but it's being announced on the day that the EU is being arsey and a lot of people are going to see the 2 and say 2+2 = 5 (or WAR depending on whether you are Leon / SeanT or not).
That sounds like a batch failed QA, or a fridge got switched off.
It’s a contrast to previous optimism on supply, that was based on already-manufactured doses being in the UK.
Or they’re just responding to the EU with their constant accusations that AZ are prioritising the U.K. and we have no shortages. It’s also a good way of getting the EU tanks off the AZ lawn.
I think that this means that the last breath of hope that the timetable could be accelerated has died but hopefully it is no worse than that in that the timetable had some flexibility within it to deal with "lumpy" supply issues.
The thing that must have had them thinking pretty hard is that the first dose of most of the vaccines has been so effective is giving second doses really the priority? I think that must have been a tough call.
What is the reason for the shortfall in AZ vaccines? It seems to me that this is the key unanswered question. No answers from the BBC so far, usual poor show.
It's not like it is an important letter or anything..... No reason to check it for typos or anything.
*thud*
No it obviously means 4 weeks. Otherwise it would say 52/4 given it said 29/3! And presumably the recipients of the letter understood it! Or anyway this was a shorthand by the guy on Twitter.
I really really wonder. It is quite a hefty coincidence - they very same day? Perhaps the EU really have leaned on AZ and Pfizer and they have quietly agreed to redirect supplies.
Incendiary, if so. Also enraging, because the UK populace is eager for the vax and we have brilliant distribution, meanwhile the fucking EU sits on millions of unused jabs because they have successfully and stupidly trashed the vaccine in front of their own people
I would happily go to war with the EU, right now. Yeah, they'd win conventionally, but we could nuke them. First Strike on France, take them out, then move on
It's customary to inflict the first strike on Belgium.
I think that this means that the last breath of hope that the timetable could be accelerated has died but hopefully it is no worse than that in that the timetable had some flexibility within it to deal with "lumpy" supply issues.
The thing that must have had them thinking pretty hard is that the first dose of most of the vaccines has been so effective is giving second doses really the priority? I think that must have been a tough call.
Well it obviously is (a priority) if the effects of the first doses start to wear off!
Van-Tam, entreating us to keep sitting at home: "We are only talking a few more months."
Some of us can't cope with an ill-defined 'few more months'. A few more months could mean September or October. We've had enough of 'jam tomorrow.'
Enough.
It's always a few more months.
These government fuckwits don't seem to realise that, even though they went into the whole thing thinking they could probably only make it stick for a few weeks.
Vaccine passports will be an absolute disgrace if allowed. Young people locked indoors whilst 50+ can leave the country
They've protected the core vote. The rest of us can get fucked.
I'm critical of Boris Johnson but this is just one of those genuine happenstances that the medical needy happen to be a considerable part of the core vote.
This is where they are genuinely following the science and medical professional.
I know. I was responding to the specific point CHB was making about the vaccine passports.
As I said earlier in the thread, they'll probably introduce them domestically so the rest of us have to rot at home for months whilst the crusties can go out and party as well. Well fuck 'em. If I can't go down the pub til God knows when I'll have friends round to visit or go and meet them in the park. Screw the damned rules. Had enough of em.
You should try doing it already. Improved my mental health no end. Everyone I live with is vaccinated, the 3-4 people I see only live with people that are already vaccinated or health under 30.
Are those hoping to be free by 21 June feeling less optimistic today?
The timetable has gone in the dustbin.
I'm still processing the latest setback. Thinking calmly for a moment I wasn't contemplating doing parental visits until they'd had their seconds anyway so I suppose that's not really an immediate issue. The main problem there is if there are stupid stay home or stay local orders still in place by the time that I want to travel, and I risk being nabbed on the train journey (I don't drive) by a jobsworth copper.
As far as stuff like bars and restaurants are concerned, it'll be a kick in the teeth if they're either kept shut til God knows when or you're barred by not having a vaccine passport, but that one can't do anything about.
Friends are in a similar age bracket to me, save one who's a bit older but has already had his first jab, so I'm just going to see if they want to hop in the car and come visit regardless of the damned rules.
I'm not worried about the predicted slowdown. To me it seems as though the NHS is (rightly) preparing for an EU embargo of Pfizer vaccines and is telling vaccine centres to ensure that second doses aren't missed and to ensure that enough doses are available for the second dose programme. Temporarily halting first dose bookings for group 10 makes sense to me because if it transpires that it's not an issue 40-49 year olds can be booked in very quickly and are all very mobile so don't need to home visits and don't need to be given a centre in walking distance, they can be asked to go a bit further by car or public transport.
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
Somewhat reassuring, but - if you're right - that does suggest HMG believes the EU will ban exports, even if contracted. Which is explosive
I think it's worst case scenario planning, which again makes a lot of sense from a medical point of view. Halting the first dose programme for Pfizer makes sense until we can be sure that there is enough supply to do all of the necessary second doses of Pfizer over the next few weeks. I'd be shocked if the AZ first dose programme is halted though, especially since that has still got a fair bit of time before it started getting to over a million per week administered.
When it comes to stuff like this, ensuring that second doses are given to groups 1-4 is a much bigger gain for us than first jabs for 40-49 year olds in terms of hospitalisation and death. Even though I'm under 50 and this potentially effects me I have to support the decision. In any case, I'm not sure it will be as big of a deal as is currently being predicted.
When is Novovax approval expected?
Within a couple of weeks at the earliest timetable, mid-April on the latest because there's a bunch of variant data that wasn't present with Pfizer who had a quick rolling review.
Has there been some data re: Pfizer's effectiveness decreasing sooner than 12 weeks? There was a hint of that in the graphs (not for AZ though). Maybe there is a reason to get them done a bit quicker.
Missing AZ does sound like a bad batch (unless they were expecting a delivery from a site in the EU).
But that doesn't add up. That makes it sound like they always planned this
The letter which is, apparently, non-standard, clearly says an issue with "inbound supplies" will lead to "significant contraction" in jabs. This is not an expected shortfall
But that doesn't add up. That makes it sound like they always planned this
The letter which is, apparently, non-standard, clearly says an issue with "inbound supplies" will lead to "significant contraction" in jabs. This is not an expected shortfall
Bollocks excuse, you just ban people from leaving the UK, problem solved. But they won't.
Typical Labour - make everyone equally unhappy.
Why should young people have to sit inside whilst older people can leave the country? How is that fair?
We've put our entire lives on hold for you lot.
You lot eh .......
Older people have less of their lives to live
Its a stupid idea
Next up - if not everyone can afford 2 weeks in the sun no one can go?
AS I say Labour love to go to the lowest common level
In all fairness the young have sacrificed a year of their lives over something that holds *no* risk to them, and the entire future bill will be paid by them.
I'm not worried about the predicted slowdown. To me it seems as though the NHS is (rightly) preparing for an EU embargo of Pfizer vaccines and is telling vaccine centres to ensure that second doses aren't missed and to ensure that enough doses are available for the second dose programme. Temporarily halting first dose bookings for group 10 makes sense to me because if it transpires that it's not an issue 40-49 year olds can be booked in very quickly and are all very mobile so don't need to home visits and don't need to be given a centre in walking distance, they can be asked to go a bit further by car or public transport.
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
Somewhat reassuring, but - if you're right - that does suggest HMG believes the EU will ban exports, even if contracted. Which is explosive
I think it's worst case scenario planning, which again makes a lot of sense from a medical point of view. Halting the first dose programme for Pfizer makes sense until we can be sure that there is enough supply to do all of the necessary second doses of Pfizer over the next few weeks. I'd be shocked if the AZ first dose programme is halted though, especially since that has still got a fair bit of time before it started getting to over a million per week administered.
When it comes to stuff like this, ensuring that second doses are given to groups 1-4 is a much bigger gain for us than first jabs for 40-49 year olds in terms of hospitalisation and death. Even though I'm under 50 and this potentially effects me I have to support the decision. In any case, I'm not sure it will be as big of a deal as is currently being predicted.
When is Novovax approval expected?
Within a couple of weeks at the earliest timetable, mid-April on the latest because there's a bunch of variant data that wasn't present with Pfizer who had a quick rolling review.
Of course, approval doesn't make supply available. That could take until Autumn for all we know.
I really really wonder. It is quite a hefty coincidence - they very same day? Perhaps the EU really have leaned on AZ and Pfizer and they have quietly agreed to redirect supplies.
Incendiary, if so. Also enraging, because the UK populace is eager for the vax and we have brilliant distribution, meanwhile the fucking EU sits on millions of unused jabs because they have successfully and stupidly trashed the vaccine in front of their own people
I would happily go to war with the EU, right now. Yeah, they'd win conventionally, but we could nuke them. First Strike on France, take them out, then move on
It's customary to inflict the first strike on Belgium.
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So perhaps we are still getting the expected supplies, but not the extra doses, where we thought we could do big numbers of jab one AND jab two at the same time?
Who knows
I also think that the current stated supply doesn't include any Novavax doses as it hasn't been approved yet, only Moderna, Pfizer and AZ are in the planned supply.
All in all, we just need to keep on keeping on and there's no need to panic.
Hancock looking unconvincing here. Dammit
This discussion subject seems rather undefined
This is where they are genuinely following the science and medical professionals.
I see a lot of talk about the unfairness of letting the jabbed oldies party, but in reality it will be up to unjabbed individuals to decide how much risk to take. I reckon we're at the point where lockdown is now about saving individual lives rather than preventing a catastrophe in the NHS.
Once the weather is nice we'll be back having BBQs and seeing friends and family. Hopefully the government doesn't get spooked and sticks to the timetable for reopening commercial activities.
The ones who have arguably been made to give up the most are then stuck indoors while everyone else parties.
Not a great look and hence can't happen, imo.
And won't happen for that matter. Just went through my local park and it looked like some gang meet out of The Warriors. A lot of black hoodies and puffas on display. Plod, obvs, nowhere to be seeen and who can blame them.
It is a balancing act
As I said earlier in the thread, they'll probably introduce them domestically so the rest of us have to rot at home for months whilst the crusties can go out and party as well. Well fuck 'em. If I can't go down the pub til God knows when I'll have friends round to visit or go and meet them in the park. Screw the damned rules. Had enough of em.
Meanwhile, the lawyers are running around, headless stylee, wondering if he had ostensible authority to amend the contracts and whether we could get out of it.
"could".....
I am still waiting for a jab and really thought the end was somewhere in sight.
My absolute priority, however, is that my son starts University at the beginning of October. I really want things to be back to something like normal by then. This summer is already a write off.
There have been a few days of supply issues with mostly Pfizer vaccines, but those have resolved themselves quickly. Appointments are running a few days ahead of time, and have now been opened to over 40s - I should get first dose next week, with any luck!
Yeah. If the supply problems are resolved. Let's just say I'm not holding my breath.
*thud*
"Sean Thomas
How I’d write Covid: The Thriller"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-Id-write-covid-the-thriller
“It’s the treacherous civil servants” is the first place your mind goes. Yuck.
When it comes to stuff like this, ensuring that second doses are given to groups 1-4 is a much bigger gain for us than first jabs for 40-49 year olds in terms of hospitalisation and death. Even though I'm under 50 and this potentially effects me I have to support the decision. In any case, I'm not sure it will be as big of a deal as is currently being predicted.
Or, judging by your over-sensitive reaction - was it?
It's when the over 50s are all jetting off to Greece and the under 50s are still being told to stay at fucking home that this will get really bad.
FUCK OFF
Some of us can't cope with an ill-defined 'few more months'. A few more months could mean September or October. We've had enough of 'jam tomorrow.'
Enough.
We've put our entire lives on hold for you lot.
It’s a contrast to previous optimism on supply, that was based on already-manufactured doses being in the UK.
We are all in this together.
Conductor I'm on the bus, please ring the bell!
The thing that must have had them thinking pretty hard is that the first dose of most of the vaccines has been so effective is giving second doses really the priority? I think that must have been a tough call.
Older people have less of their lives to live
Its a stupid idea
Next up - if not everyone can afford 2 weeks in the sun no one can go?
AS I say Labour love to go to the lowest common level
These government fuckwits don't seem to realise that, even though they went into the whole thing thinking they could probably only make it stick for a few weeks.
Explain why there is a drop.
Explain what they are going to do remedy the situation.
Reassure younger people that they aren't going to be waiting until July for their first jab.
I'm still processing the latest setback. Thinking calmly for a moment I wasn't contemplating doing parental visits until they'd had their seconds anyway so I suppose that's not really an immediate issue. The main problem there is if there are stupid stay home or stay local orders still in place by the time that I want to travel, and I risk being nabbed on the train journey (I don't drive) by a jobsworth copper.
As far as stuff like bars and restaurants are concerned, it'll be a kick in the teeth if they're either kept shut til God knows when or you're barred by not having a vaccine passport, but that one can't do anything about.
Friends are in a similar age bracket to me, save one who's a bit older but has already had his first jab, so I'm just going to see if they want to hop in the car and come visit regardless of the damned rules.
Missing AZ does sound like a bad batch (unless they were expecting a delivery from a site in the EU).
The letter which is, apparently, non-standard, clearly says an issue with "inbound supplies" will lead to "significant contraction" in jabs. This is not an expected shortfall
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1372240340707639297?s=20